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  • history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     OP - December 11, 2010, 06:22 PM

    you must first know this informations before read this topic

     +*IBN* = son of

     +*BINT* = daughter of
     
     + UM = mother of

     +female warrior =  mean that she was with army cooking & take care of
    injured. but some women actualy was fighting with the sword

     +its a tradition in the anceint islamic world that students must learn
    quran & islam in the beginnig of their educational life, this is why you find
    some seientists was also a relegiuos scholares
    ............

    one of the reasons why the pegan of mecca Refused the mohamadian invitation is that from the first day  mohamed call for women rights & equality for women. they  said *mohamed want to make women equal to us, he is crazy*  
    mohamed  repley *you was inside her for 9 mounths & she Were breastfed you 2 years & she take care of you until you grown*

    he beleive that if he want to build a Civilized empire women should have a big rule in it*

    this is why women was having a huge rule in the mohamadian invitation. like :

    women give HIM the Allegiance (al bay3a) . its like *the vote*

    women was fightnig in his army . some of them actually was fightnig with sword inside
     battle . like *Um Aamara* she fight with sword & Arc.  & *asmah bint yazid*
    women was teachers . spicially his wifes . before & after his death . like Aicha she was
     one of the biggest Scholarly woman in the islamic history & she is the second hadith
    teller after *abu hurayra*

    so this is mean that the prophet give women right to learn & teatch & right to vote. &
     to do what the men do.
    the prophet said *if some one of you (men) have a female slave & he teatch her very will
    then he give her her freedom then he married her, surely he will enter the paradise*
      he also said * if some one of you have tree daughters & he teatch them very will surley
     he will enter the paradise,then some one ask what if i have two daughetrs ? the prophet
     repley & if you have two as well*
    ....

    during the islamic history their is thousnds of women in the knowldge domain . in sceince,
    relegion,Literature,medcine,politic,astronomy,...  from defirent ages & races (arab,iraq,palestine,egypt,
    north africa,india,syria,persia...)

     i will give an exemples of some of this great women who change the face of the humanity
    with their knwoldge & wisdom :

     imam *IBN HIJR*  in his book *al isaba fi tamyiz a sahaba* mention 1543 women teatchers
     this just in the first century of the islamic civilization
    also their is the book of the Imam *OMAR AL REDHAH* his name is *TARAJIM AL AALAM AL NISSAH** = *the Biographies of the Women who have knowldge*

    lets start with the time of the prophet . his wifes was teatchers  & some of his
    folowers females was warriors & teatchers.

    -AICHA his secound wife had a big knowldge in relegion & medicine & Poetry. also
    she was a warrior . & she was a *Fakiha* (Scholarly woman)
    she was also a politician .  

    -FATIMA BINT AL HUSSAIN IBN ALI . she was also a Scholarly & politician & warrior. IBN HICHAM use her telling about the prophet mohamed in his famous book *AL SIRAH*

    -UM AATIA AL ANSSARIA . she went with the army of the prophet to battles coz she is spicialist in medicine

    -SAYDA NAFISSA  . She was attending the Council of Imam MALIK ibn ANASS (one of the 4 BIG sunni scholares) in Medina, and after she moving to Egypt, she established a islamic council was attended by the most noted men of that time. one of them is Imam *AL CHAFI3I* (one of the 4 BIG sunni scholares)

    -mrs LUBNNA . Court clerk of the Caliph al-Hakam ibn Abdul Rahman

    -Maeriam al-Ijliya al-Astrulabi  .she was a Astronomer.she Invented
     the complex sophisticated Astrolabe.it was like GPS,  it help you in : astronomy, astrology,horoscopes, navigation, surveying, timekeeping, prayer, Salah, Qibla...
     europian was use this astorlabe until the 18 century.  it help very much in the Geographical discoveries in the rainissanse.

    - in the time of the aabasyan caliph AL MUKTADIR* their was a female Judge.

    -um AAMRO IBN ZUHR the wife of the famous medicine *IBN zuhr* she was Skilled in Theoretical
     and practical medicine

    -ZAYNAB bint AL AABASS from baghdad.she learned from *Ibn Taymeya*. father  OF the salfyin school

    -FATIMAH AL FIHRI in the north africa . she is from tunisie but she build university *AL  KARAWEYIN* in Fes city in morroco . i write a topic about her in this forum before.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=13475.0
    this university she build was one of the top in the wourld in that time . some europians had
    study in this university . like the POPE silvester 2 .

    -CHAHDA bint AL ABRI AL KATIB. she teatch a lot of scholares .like *IBN AL JAWZI*

    -um HABIBAH from Asbahan . she is a persian . imam *AL HAFIZ AL MUNDIRI* said that he had
     learn from her

    - AL KHANSSAH  she was a great Poet & agreat mojahida (warrior) .she was in the conquering of
    iraq with the arabic army with her 4 sons they all get killed in one night in the battle of ALQADISYA
    against the persian army. in the morning people tell her about her sons. she said *im very proud that
     my sons die for the flag of Islam,thank God*

    -FATIMA bint AALA DIN . she is from samarkand (Uzbekistan) . she also was a fakiha . & she
    was correct to her husband chikh *aala al kassane* when he do a mistakes in hadith telling


    -in the 19 centary . al *sayeda AL AALYA* daughter of *chikh AL TAYEB ibn KIRAN*  she was
    teatching *LOGIC* in *MASJID AL ANDALUS* IN fES city. she give license to women & men

     -*IBN HAZM* said in his famous book *TAWQ AL HAMAMA FI AL ULFA WA AL ILAF*  that  women
    in islamic spain (andalusia) was  participate  in medicine & philosophie &
    teatching. and he learn from a lot of them when he was young

    -TAMIMA daughter of the famous morrocain sultan *YUSSUF ibn TACHAFIN* . she had a lot of knowldge IN RELEGION

    -MSS3ODA AL WZKTYA . she build some bridges & schools in morroco .
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #1 - December 11, 2010, 06:30 PM

    women are not equal to men in Islamic law

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #2 - December 11, 2010, 06:35 PM


    Muslim women are inferior to Muslim men - this is an immutable precept of Islam.

    Lowest of all are non Muslim women, especially "polytheist" Muslim women.

    mhd-sat, you can't get away with your lies and dawah bullshit here.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #3 - December 11, 2010, 07:19 PM

    Quote
    Muslim women are inferior to Muslim men - this is an immutable precept of Islam.

    Lowest of all are non Muslim women, especially "polytheist" Muslim women.

    mhd-sat, you can't get away with your lies and dawah bullshit here.


    You are telling lies, you dirty kafir,you Islamophobe,you Islam hater......................
    With one OP he has debunked all your lies, how you feel now? hunh tell me how you feel......

    BTW Muslim women are so brilliant that they have to be covered completely in their coffin dress or else there's a real danger of their men losing their eyes! And none so brilliant as the sisters in Afghanistan!



    Too Brilliant!



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  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #4 - December 11, 2010, 07:46 PM


    Lowest of all are non Muslim women, especially "polytheist" Muslim women.



    Care to prove this by quoting Quran or Hadith? I'm NOT (note I said NOT) saying you're wrong (or right) but it helps to have some references when we say stuff like "Islam says this and that"
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #5 - December 11, 2010, 09:11 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy no offense, but this is like being an eye witness to a brutal murder and being asked to prove it! It can be logically inferred though once you have been convinced about the pseudo equality of women in Islam.



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    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #6 - December 11, 2010, 10:07 PM

    I'm not talking about the 'equality' of women in Islam. I'm well aware of the constraints Islam puts on women (needing a mahram permission to work, go to school etc) I'm asking about where he got the "Lowest of all are non Muslim women, especially "polytheist" Muslim women." bit from.
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #7 - December 11, 2010, 10:35 PM

    Care to prove this by quoting Quran or Hadith? I'm NOT (note I said NOT) saying you're wrong (or right) but it helps to have some references when we say stuff like "Islam says this and that"


    Well, Islam in general considers polytheists the lowest in its hierarchy of humanity.

    Polytheist women are the lowest of the low.

    The point I was making is that it is perverse to claim that Islam is anything but structurally misogynistic, and the gradations it makes of non Muslims add to this perversion.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #8 - December 11, 2010, 10:53 PM


    The point, Thamina, is that Islam doesn't only render Muslim women inferior, by the process of its own self proclaimed 'superiority' over other religions and the correlating inferiority of non Muslims, it sets up a further gradation of lowness, and as the mushrikun are the 'worst' of all people, (with 'people of the book' so generously given a higher status, isn't Islam tolerant), the women of the mushrikun are the very lowest of the low.

    When asking what Islam teaches about the human condition, human worth and associated issues, it always helps to step out of the enclosed space of Islam and adduce what the religion says about all that is not Islam.

    That was the general point I was making.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #9 - December 12, 2010, 02:34 AM

    Perhaps it is the vast silent majority, conspicuous in their absence that speaks loudest in this thread. Of all the hundreds of millions of muslim women in the world, mentioning just a bare handful does the muslim world no credit.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #10 - December 12, 2010, 04:05 AM

    The exception that proves the rule?

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #11 - December 12, 2010, 05:34 AM

    Care to prove this by quoting Quran or Hadith? I'm NOT (note I said NOT) saying you're wrong (or right) but it helps to have some references when we say stuff like "Islam says this and that"



    Quran 23:1] Successful indeed are the believers.

    [Quran 23:2] Those who offer their Salât (prayers) with all solemnity and full submissiveness.

    [Quran 23:3] And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allah has forbidden).

    [Quran 23:4] And those who pay the Zakât .

    [Quran 23:5] And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

    [Quran 23:6] Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame;


    So basically you're successful if you keep your lusts down to your wives and your female property in the form of your war captives. And even better, not even those women's marriages are sacred. How much lower can a person be deemed if her body and her marriage are not considered sacred?

    "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." 4:24


    No mention of consent being necessary either, naturally.



    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #12 - December 12, 2010, 05:43 AM

    mhd-sat- Because women are endowed with intelligence just as men are, there will be examples of their successes DESPITE THE OBSTACLES IN THEIR WAY. And yes, Islam is an obstacle to the development of women. I highly doubt anyone here is gullible enough to imagine that even if every single example you cited was true that that somehow negates the glaring evidence against the equality of women in Islam. Now, if you'd like to discuss the specific laws related to women in Islam and how much better you think they are then any other system and why, or if you'd like to prove to us that women are equal in Islam, you will find plenty of people willing to engage you on those topics. Rattling off a list of a few dozen names for 1400 years of Islamic history is farcical and only shows how weak your argument is.

    "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."~Steven Weinberg
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #13 - December 12, 2010, 07:21 AM

    When you are hell bent on proving that you are right there just can't be any fair debate.
    Poor Muslims are severely handicapped because they have been brainwashed to believe that Koran is the word of GOD. How can there be imperfection in something  DEEMED perfect?
    So perforce their debates are limited to pro Islam polemics.

    Indeed! if great achievements were common place then whatever examples he has quoted wouldn't have stood out at all to the 'historians'[assuming that they are true and verified by non Muslim sources]. Further their number is too small as compared to the population to be really significant.

    THE VERY FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN OBSESSIVE NEED TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE SUPERIOR TO SOMEONE IS A SURE SIGN OF AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX!
     



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    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #14 - December 12, 2010, 09:35 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e0n03hkdJM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlyeT1MBEzE&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9cAa6SP79M&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4jJ650vi8&feature=related

    And my favorite
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDaKkJnIg3E


    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #15 - December 12, 2010, 11:24 AM

    Care to prove this by quoting Quran or Hadith? I'm NOT (note I said NOT) saying you're wrong (or right) but it helps to have some references when we say stuff like "Islam says this and that"

    According to the Quran, Hadith and Sharia Law,

    i)   Quran 4:34 - “Men are in charge of women”

    ii)   Quran 2:228 -  “and the men are a degree above them (women)"

    iii)   Women have to follow a modest dress code and “should cast their outer garments over their persons’ Quran 33:59, yet men do not have to. 
       
    iv)   A woman according to Quran 43:18 ‘is a creature who in dispute cannot make herself clear’ & Prophet Mohamed felt women are ‘lacking in brains’, and the ‘majority of Hell's residents’ are women  (Sahih Bukhari 1:301 and also 2:541).

    v)   When it comes to testimony in courts, women testify in pairs, as one man testimony is equivalent to 2 women in Islamic courts (Sahih Bukhari 1:301) 

    vi)   Also women inherit half as much as their male counterparts. (Quran 4:11-12)

    vii)   They are not allowed to travel without a male companion (Bukhari:1763)

    viii)   Women can only marry muslims and have a single partner (Quran 4:22 to 24), men on the other hand don’t have to marry muslims and can marry up to 4 women (Quran 4:3)

    ix)   A woman should not fast without the permission of her husband nor can she marry someone without the permission of her father, brother or male guardian. (Sahih Bukhari 5192)

    x)   A nation headed by a woman will never succeed, and the worst sin and distraction from virtue is by women (Sahih Bukhari 4425)

    xi)   "Hang your whip where your wife can see it." (Hadith Musannaf, Abdul Razzaq)

    It is ok to beat your wife, marry 4 wives, sleep with captured slaves, your servants, hoors but not the other way around. 

    In Quran  38:15 ‘Thy wife; - on whom he had sworn that he would inflict an hundred blows, because she had absented herself from him when in need of her assistance, or for her words. The oath was kept, we are told, by his giving her one blow with a rod of a hundred.’

    And sadly even the prophet is claimed to have hit his wife.  When sleeping with Aisha, Muhammad surreptitiously left his bed and went to the graveyard at Baqi. 

    Aisha followed and watched what the prophet doing; when the prophet found out, according to Sahih Muslim Book 4:2127, ‘He struck me on the chest which caused me pain’

    The evidence above appears to be quite damning, if its still not enough then you might want to take a look at the Muslim world just to test the hypothesis.

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  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #16 - December 12, 2010, 12:03 PM

    Quote
    The evidence above appears to be quite damning, if its still not enough then you might want to take a look at the Muslim world just to test the hypothesis.


    That's the ultimate proof! Both the mind and the body need to be veil free though!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #17 - December 12, 2010, 12:25 PM

    Perhaps it is the vast silent majority, conspicuous in their absence that speaks loudest in this thread. Of all the hundreds of millions of muslim women in the world, mentioning just a bare handful does the muslim world no credit.


    I think it proves that the individual spirit of women (just like men) can overcome obstacles and impediments, that in certain contexts they did succeed.

    But this is down to their individual selfhood, not because of Islam. Despite, not because of.

    Men and women are wonderful creatures - they can shine and flourish in such uncertain contexts. This is what this teaches us.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #18 - December 12, 2010, 01:11 PM

    Quote
    I think it proves that the individual spirit of women (just like men) can overcome obstacles and impediments, that in certain contexts they did succeed.

    But this is down to their individual selfhood, not because of Islam. Despite, not because of.

    Men and women are wonderful creatures - they can shine and flourish in such uncertain contexts. This is what this teaches us.


    Right ho! all kinds of fraudsters usurp this credit for their respective gangs. Who knows if these abominations were not around the world might have progressed even faster,life would have been more creative in the absence of the dead weight of idiotic dogmas!



    The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.
                                   Thomas Paine

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored !- Aldous Huxley
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #19 - January 14, 2011, 11:42 PM

    Khadeega was a very successful rich woman before she met Mohamed. If we look at examples of some women in Quraish, we'd notice that some women had high statuses(for example, being the daughter of the leader of the tribe was a plus) There were some things that weren't fair to women at the same time, so I'd guess that the way they thought about stuff was weird already before Islam.

    Also, I really don't get how these women were strong enough to have these achievements, but at the same time abide by Islamic rules. These women must have been blessed with a father or a husband who was understanding to give them "permission" to work. At the end, their success depended on men after all. The thought of me having achievements because a man gave me permission makes me sad.

    The example and the rule are not consistent, so one of them must be a lie.
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #20 - January 17, 2011, 02:01 PM

    Just to add on to the replies to Aphrodite's above question:

    Quote
    Care to prove this by quoting Quran or Hadith? I'm NOT (note I said NOT) saying you're wrong (or right) but it helps to have some references when we say stuff like "Islam says this and that"


    The kafirs, among the People of the Scripture and the mushriks, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings. (98:6)

    The worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb,- those who understand not [ie the kafirs]. (8:22)

    O you who believe! the mushriks are filth (9:28)

    together with the already mentioned verse 4:32 it follows by a process of inexorable logic that the women of the disbelievers are the lowest of the LOW.

    The mosque: the most epic display of collective douchbaggery, arrogance and delusion
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #21 - January 24, 2011, 02:14 AM

    wow when i look top punch of morons really , good old UK and USA = real devil   Cheesy, and they also not care for religions and only human laws and wow I'm really not amazed from uneducated people like u to become toys for them , do what they do and love what they love and hate what they hate , punch of nansy

    so Islam not care for girl ................ ohh good old uk they treat women well  far away hug

    Muslims  married 10 years old girl ..................ohh good old human rights they working their ass hard to make it 18 only  Afro

    Islam prevent us from sleep with women =oh good old UK = they let u sleep as much as u want  dance

    the only clown that i see really is you people and u are toys nothing more and not because I'm Muslim i say because  u really toys run by governments   parrot



    and Islam is really happy to not see such toys in Islam religion

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #22 - January 24, 2011, 02:20 AM

    18 and 10 makes a huge difference mate... but i guess you are still 13 and you don't know how different you will be when you are 18 Smiley....

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #23 - January 24, 2011, 05:34 PM

    wow when i look top punch of morons really , good old UK and USA = real devil, and they also not care for religions and only human laws and wow I'm really not amazed from uneducated people like u to become toys for them , do what they do and love what they love and hate what they hate , punch of nansy

    so Islam not care for girl ................ ohh good old uk they treat women well 

    Muslims  married 10 years old girl ..................ohh good old human rights they working their ass hard to make it 18 only 

    Islam prevent us from sleep with women =oh good old UK = they let u sleep as much as u want 

    the only clown that i see really is you people and u are toys nothing more and not because I'm Muslim i say because  u really toys run by governments  

    and Islam is really happy to not see such toys in Islam religion



    Can anyone translate this from Retard into English please?

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #24 - January 24, 2011, 05:36 PM

    ishina, just punch yourself once really hard in your head, and his post will start making sence

    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #25 - January 24, 2011, 05:52 PM

    Can anyone translate this from Retard into English please?


    The west is shit, Islam is great.  Muslims are the superior beings, exterminate, exterminate, exterminate.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #26 - January 24, 2011, 05:53 PM

    The west is shit, Islam is great.  Muslims are the superior beings, exterminate, exterminate, exterminate.


     Cheesy Spot on




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  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #27 - January 24, 2011, 05:56 PM

    Thanks 001_wub

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #28 - January 24, 2011, 07:10 PM

    Can anyone translate this from Retard into English please?

    Sure:

  • Re: history of muslim women in islamic civilization
     Reply #29 - January 24, 2011, 11:04 PM

     Cheesy

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