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  • Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     OP - September 15, 2010, 03:26 PM

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    High-ranking Saudi diplomat seeks US asylum because he's gay
    September 14th, 2010 9:03 am PT


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    Ali Ahmad Asseri, first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has asked for political asylum in the United States. The reason, he says, is that his government has discovered he's gay and, almost as bad, friends with a Jewish woman. If he's forced to return to Saudi Arabia, as officials of the Saudi government are demanding, Asseri says the results could be fatal.

    "My life is in great danger here, and if I go back to Saudi Arabia, they will kill me openly in broad daylight," Asseri told NBC in an e-mail Saturday.

    He has formally applied for asylum in the United States on the grounds that his membership in a "particular social group" (IE: homosexuals) means he will be persecuted in his home country.

    There is very little tolerance for homosexuality in the Islamic world. Both the Qu'ran and the Hadith (a collection of sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammed) condemn it and there are at least five Islamic countries prescribe the death penalty for it. Besides Saudi Arabia, these are Yemen, Mauritania, the Sudan and Iran.

    The last executions of homosexuals in Saudi Arabia were in 2002 when three men from the town of Abha were beheaded for the crime of committing sodomy. Since that time, possibly because of pressure from the international community and human rights groups, punishments have been limited to floggings and imprisonment.

    As Brian Whittaker of The Guardian observes though, Asseri is probably the first Saudi ever to publically admit being gay and consequently has very good reason to fear returning home.

    On August 30th, Ali Ahmad Asseri has told officials of the Department of Homeland Security in Los Angeles that the Saudi government has terminated his passport, thus ending his legal right to stay in the United States without asylum. So far the DHS has made no comment on the case or Asseri's request for asylum.

    http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-los-angeles/high-ranking-saudi-diplomat-seeks-us-asylum-because-he-s-gay?cid=examiner-email&sms_ss=facebook

    although i don't think they would kill him . specially because he is in the news now.although, some might want to .
    but i can imagine his life in Saudi being something like having to pretend to fight against homosexuality since he was public about it.

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  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #1 - September 15, 2010, 03:34 PM

    name & shame

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    there are at least five Islamic countries prescribe the death penalty for it. Besides Saudi Arabia, these are Yemen, Mauritania, the Sudan and Iran.


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  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #2 - September 15, 2010, 03:52 PM

    I hope he is granted asylum. I would hate to be in his shoes.
  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #3 - September 15, 2010, 05:58 PM

    Yeah I hope he gets asylum. This is an interesting analysis on this case:

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    Saudi Arabia's juggling act on homosexuality
    As a gay diplomat seeks US asylum, Saudi Arabia seems torn between wanting a civilised image and appeasing traditionalists

    Brian Whitaker
    guardian.co.uk,    Monday 13 September 2010 17.00 BST

    Saudi Arabia may be a miserable place to live, but it's not very often that a Saudi diplomat seeks refuge in the United States. The last time it happened was in 1994.

    At the weekend, though, it emerged that Ali Ahmad Asseri, first secretary of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles, has applied for asylum in the US on the grounds that he is gay. He says his employers have refused to renew his diplomatic passport – effectively terminating his job – after finding out about his sexuality. He adds they were also unhappy about his friendship with a Jewish woman.

    The Saudis are reportedly demanding his return to the kingdom, where Asseri fears he would be killed "in broad daylight".

    The conservative American Thinker website is rather excited about this and suggests it "will pose a real problem for the Obama administration, which loves to cozy up to (and bow before) Saudi power" – though I doubt that it will.

    If American officials accept Asseri's story he is almost certain to be granted asylum. The Saudis may grumble a bit about that for the sake of appearances, but letting him stay in the US would spare them the embarrassing and potentially damaging question of what to do about him if he returned home.

    Unless I'm very much mistaken, Asseri is the first Saudi ever to publicly declare himself gay. So, in a way, this is uncharted territory – but territory where the authorities in Riyadh would probably rather not go. If he went home they would either have to charge him or provide him with lifelong protection – and no matter which course they chose, it would anger someone.

    As in some other recent cases (such as the TV fortuneteller accused of sorcery who was sentenced to death and then apparently reprieved) they are torn between their desire to present a civilised image to the outside world and their need to appease religious traditionalists on the home front.

    Saudi Arabia is one of four Arab countries where homosexual acts are not only illegal but punishable by execution. The others are Mauritania, Sudan and Yemen; the same applies in non-Arab Iran, just across the Gulf from Saudi Arabia.

    In contrast to Iran, though, there have been no "gay" executions reported in Saudi Arabia since 2002 when three men from Abha were beheaded. There have, however, been various raids on gay parties and men have been arrested for "behaving like women" but the usual penalties are flogging and imprisonment – which tend to attract less media attention than executions.

    Despite its officially tough stance against homosexuality, the Saudi regime – like most of the other Arab governments – does not regard the issue as important enough to risk jeopardising its international relations, so it will probably be quietly grateful to the US if Asseri stays in Los Angeles. But it can't keep up its juggling act for ever, and at some point it will have to decide where it really stands.


    source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/13/saudi-arabia-homosexuality-juggling-act



    I do not think this diplomat is the only gay person from saudi arabia to ever seek asylum. But he's probably the first gay saudi diplomat to do so.

    And since the U.S. of A. and Saudi Arabia are such ol' BFF's, this will be interesting to watch as both try to struggle with saving face politically.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #4 - September 15, 2010, 06:02 PM

    the duplicitous face of politics  Roll Eyes

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  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #5 - September 15, 2010, 06:22 PM


    It is very embarrassing for the USA I think but it could be that he will found refuge in another Western country. I hope it will work. How bad his situation would be if he return in Saudi Arabia; his story openly be in newspapers and surely pointed with the fingers in the streets; there is not much future for him there. Even if he will not face the Saudi justice, his reputation is ruined. 
  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #6 - September 15, 2010, 06:26 PM

    this guy has taken a big risk, I mean what could happen if the USA turned him down? fortunately thats precisely why they wont..

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  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #7 - September 15, 2010, 06:39 PM

    Yes but the USA don't have specially a good relation with the Muslims in general and if they refuse to send him back (I don't think they do it otherwise it would be very shameful for the land of freedom and many gay associations are surely making pressure on the government) it will be only one more reason to hate them more especially the radicals in Saudi Arabia who will maybe see this as on more interference in their own "business"
  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #8 - September 15, 2010, 06:45 PM

    he should come to england , they'd roll out the red carpet for hitler if he was still about...luckily we have the pope coming which simply demonstrates the point I just made.
  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #9 - September 15, 2010, 08:12 PM

     I've been hearing less about the pope visit and more about pedo priests in the run up to his visit. it's completely overshadowed it.

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  • Re: Saudi Diplomat Seeks US Asylum.
     Reply #10 - September 15, 2010, 10:01 PM

    The world would probably be amazed at how many people with political, and monetary power, have similar secrets. It's most likely one of the reasons they have that power. They knew that the only place they might be safe is within the small circle of movers and shakers, so they worked until they were within that circle.

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