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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #90 - September 10, 2010, 07:10 PM

    I think the main thing we disagree on is how bad burning a Quran is. I'd be a hypocrite to condemn it, since I enjoyed Draw Mohammed Day so much.


    Liberal pussy no. 5 checking in.....I don't think those two things are comparable.  Draw Mohammed Day was an exercise in freedom of speech.  Burning books is the opposite.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #91 - September 10, 2010, 07:11 PM

    No, you're a far-leftist radical who can't stand those liberal pussies and their political correctness. Roll Eyes

    You forgot to add bigot and racist.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #92 - September 10, 2010, 07:12 PM

    Your "its-her-fault-she-shouldnt-be-wearing-a-miniskirt-around-mosques-during-ramadan-because-shes-begging-to-be-gang bangged-by-muslim-wankers" reasoning is unacceptable.

    Well, let's be reasonable, no girl would want to wear a miniskirt if she knew she'd be gang-banged. That doesn't mean if she did it'd be her fault; it just means sometimes you need to be pragmatic. Obviously she can throw whoever raped her in jail, but she'd still have been raped, which has devastating, life-lasting effects.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #93 - September 10, 2010, 07:12 PM

    Liberal pussy no. 5 checking in.....I don't think those two things are comparable.  Draw Mohammed Day was an exercise in freedom of speech.  Burning books is the opposite.


    Round and round and round we go....

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #94 - September 10, 2010, 07:12 PM

    You forgot to add bigot and racist.

    I was being sarcastic, hence eye-roll.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #95 - September 10, 2010, 07:14 PM

    Ishina, seriously, like I said, just make your own Quran bonfire and publicize it. Again, no one is preventing anyone from doing anything. The pastor has every right to do it and won't be punished by the US government if he did, nor would you.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #96 - September 10, 2010, 07:14 PM

    I think this is just about wrapped up anyway. I'm not really interested in petty bickering or getting the last word in, and we've both made our points.

    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #97 - September 10, 2010, 07:15 PM

    Round and round and round we go....


    How is burning books an exercise in freedom of speech?  Its an act of defeat, IMO.  If they encouraged everybody to read the Qur'an I'm confident it would put more people off Islam than otherwise, publicly burning the stupid thing looks like they think the contents are so dangerously alluring nobody dares read it.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #98 - September 10, 2010, 07:17 PM

    I would say that Burning Books is fairly neutral on the freedom of speech/assoc. thing, as it is his freedom of speech to do it and express his views, but it is also Muslims right to practice their religion and say what they want too. The Draw M. Day was counteracting an opposite opinion that was being held at the time (and now) so is an example of I would say a debating use of freedom of speech, the burning books is a riling one, however again it seems to be a response to the "Ground 0 Mosque/Centre". There is also an issue on how the press seem to not report on bad stuff about the Islamic world including book burnings which happen here, so there is a lack of balance to this, it seems to me to veer towards appeasing Muslims too much and not challenging them and their views.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #99 - September 10, 2010, 07:17 PM

    Ishina, seriously, like I said, just make your own Quran bonfire and publicize it. Again, no one is preventing anyone from doing anything. The pastor has every right to do it and won't be punished by the US government if he did, nor would you.


    Ishina's in the UK, so she very well may be punished for it. They simply don't have the same level of rights when it comes to government censorship of speech there.

    fuck you
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #100 - September 10, 2010, 07:20 PM

    How is burning books an exercise in freedom of speech?  Its an act of defeat, IMO.  If they encouraged everybody to read the Qur'an I'm confident it would put more people off Islam than otherwise, publicly burning the stupid thing looks like they think the contents are so dangerously alluring nobody dares read it.


    What about a  'criticise the quran, laugh at its sillyness, then burn it as fuel for campfire to roast marshmallows' night?
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #101 - September 10, 2010, 07:20 PM

    Well, she can get someone in the US to do it.

    Seriously though, I'm sure someone is gonna do it, whether the pastor does or not.

    The freaky thing about the whole far-right in the US is that it has huge support among the public.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #102 - September 10, 2010, 07:22 PM

    What about a  'criticise the quran, laugh at its sillyness, then burn it as fuel for campfire to roast marshmallows' night?


    Okay, but just as long as you know you'll only be preaching to the converted, and may even deconvert a few of those.  Burning books has unfortunate connotations in western cultures.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #103 - September 10, 2010, 07:31 PM

    Muhammad the pedophile smashed the idols of kaaba. So theres nothing wrong with burning the quran.

    Islam doesnt deserve any special treatment.

    I don't like to get my hands filthy by touching the idol of Allah and burning it. But stop protecting Allah. May Allah the Tyrant be slain along with the destruction of his idols.

    Just because his followers insist on blowing themselves up to keep him safe. Doesnt mean everyone else has to. Allah cant protect itself, so why should I worship it?
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #104 - September 10, 2010, 07:34 PM

    Ishina's in the UK, so she very well may be punished for it. They simply don't have the same level of rights when it comes to government censorship of speech there.


    really?
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #105 - September 10, 2010, 07:34 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9SE01DrZKw


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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #106 - September 10, 2010, 07:41 PM

    really?


    Yeah

    http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTextDocId=2236942

    It would qualify as "inciting hatred" under most European countries' laws, including the UK. Not sure if they would actually prosecute or not, but they certainly could. One of the reasons that although I find moving to Europe appealing on some levels, I probably wouldn't (that and their retarded weapons laws).

    fuck you
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #107 - September 10, 2010, 07:43 PM

    Interesting. Thanks for the info
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #108 - September 10, 2010, 07:44 PM

    One of the reasons that although I find moving to Europe appealing on some levels, I probably wouldn't (that and their retarded weapons laws).

    More American leftists need to have your attitude towards guns. I fuckin' hate anti-gun leftists.
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #109 - September 10, 2010, 07:51 PM





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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #110 - September 10, 2010, 08:04 PM

    Someone else quote my anti-religious dogma then please, since this little bitch is being neurotic.


    Please avoid insults like that.

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #111 - September 10, 2010, 09:13 PM


    This whole affair has got far too much attention, Terry Jones´ stunt should just have been ignored.

    Here is an excerpts from a blog on: http://usablog.blogs.berlingske.dk/2010/09/10/pa-pinde-for-en-bogafbr%25c3%25a6nder/

    The blogger starts by describing how insignificant Terry Jones is and what a failure he is and then goes on to say :

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    He has repeatedly drowned this lack of recognition and success in media stunts and with more and more extreme verbal attacks against Muslims, and it culminates with the Koran burning plans.

    And now what?

    There will always be people like Terry Jones, not only in the Islamophobic wing, but also on the Christianophobic side, not only on the right, but also on the Left , there are village idiots, garden gnomes and bozos everywhere, but the question is how much oxygen we should give them ? Should the whole world be put in DefCon3 because a pastor for 50 non-entities in Florida plans to burn Korans ?

    The question should be answered by us in the Western world, by the politicians and public persons who have given him the attention and by the media, who have sent  wall -to-wall from Gainesville, but the question should also be answered by the Muslim world.

    Said straight out : We cannot prevent  Koran burnings. Sorry. Someone may tomorrow burn Korans and draw the prophet with bombs and willies and we cannot each time bring out popes and presidents, Anders Fogh Rasmussen and Defense Secretary Gates. Occasionally it will happen , sometimes it will turn out to be like a reality show, and then the Muslims will have to understand that Terry Jones is not the same as a united NATO decision, ten men in a bodega is not the same as an EU statement , and a stencilduplicated  flyer is not the same as a papal decree with the seal and the whole shebang . When it happens , it only reflects what it is - an isolated Pastor , ten drunks and a flyer that smells of alcohol, it is not an Islamophobic world conspiracy.

    This is what they have to understand, and if the Muslim street cannot understand it, then the Muslim political and religious leaders have to make them understand it.

    Terry Jones has been a world vaudeville, a painful affair, where everyone is a joke, and the worst is that it is not yet over.

    Because the Koran burning may yet happen or maybe not . Terry Jones has not decided yet.



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    When it happens , it only reflects what it is - an isolated Pastor , ten drunks and a flyer that smells of alcohol, it is not an Islamophobic world conspiracy.


    Yeah, but will they ever understand that ? There are already riots in Pakistan and Gaza, where an Imam said that their highest aspiration was to die fighting for Allah. Sigh !

    Incidently, just heard on the News, that Koran burnings are being planned in 3 other places in the U.S.

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #112 - September 10, 2010, 10:57 PM

    I think we can now guarantee that there will be some Quran burnings. The publicity gained by Jones will likely encourage several other losers to try the same stunt. That blog Paloma quoted sums it up pretty well. We can't prevent this stuff. That has to be explained to the ones that want to go apeshit when this sort of thing happens. The laws that protect the right of idiots to burn Qurans are the same laws that protect the right of Muslims to preach the Quran.

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #113 - September 11, 2010, 12:18 AM

    I don't think Obama and all the self-loathing liberal pansies that are clutching their pearls to their chest got that memo.

    Obama is a president. When he speaks, the whole world listens. He should choose his words wisely.

    Where did Obama go wrong? what part of what he said you disagree with? what would you do if you were in his shoes?


    There is also a difference between an average Joe condemning something because they find it distasteful, and the president of the USA condemning something protected in a democratic nation because of political tension and an implied sense of being held to ransom by ultra-sensitive enemies of democracy.

    Are you saying that POTUS shouldn't condemn any act as long as that act doesn't break any laws? do you mean legality infer morality?
    So, do you think it is wrong, for instance, to condemn a planned KKK through Harlem ?

    Look, if Obama had banned the burning then that's another issue. But he didn't. He just condemned. There's a huge difference.


    The soldiers out there are fighting for their country. They are fighting for the right of some backwater Pastor to burn books on his own lawn. The same as generations of warriors before them have spilled blood so that their countrymen may take for granted the freedoms and rights they enjoy, not trade them away as soon as some wild-eyed and rabid band of zealots start rattling their sabres.

    This is a clash of principles. You draw your line and defend it.

    Fuck yeah. Let's burn more Qurans and send more troops. That'll draw the line.

    On a related note, how exactly is the Iraq war a fight for the rights and freedoms in America?
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #114 - September 11, 2010, 12:47 AM

    Didn't want to start a new Thread.
    Here is an interesting view

    Quote
    BERLIN — The estranged daughter of a U.S. pastor who has threatened to burn copies of the Koran believes he has gone mad and needs help, she said in a German media interview conducted on Friday.

    Emma Jones, who lives in Germany, told Spiegel Online she had e-mailed her father urging him to drop his plan to burn copies of the Islamic holy book, writing: "Dad, leave it be!"


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39099740/ns/us_news-security/
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #115 - September 11, 2010, 12:48 AM


    lol @ his mum whinging in the background

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #116 - September 11, 2010, 01:34 AM

    I thought I saw cuts on his arms. lol emo raging. 

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #117 - September 11, 2010, 01:37 AM

    His username suits him very well.

     Roll Eyes
  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #118 - September 11, 2010, 04:21 AM

    Please avoid insults like that.


    It takes two to tango.

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  • Re: Pastor Terry Jones suspends Qur'an burning
     Reply #119 - September 11, 2010, 04:26 AM

    <words>

    You know what? You’re right. We should be condemning book burnings. It might offend someone somewhere in the world.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lne0NoxEoz8

    Oh wait… this is already happening. And oh wait… the Pastor hasn’t even burned any books. Yeah, that’s right, this happens even when you merely mention you’ll burn Qurans. Is this a proportionate reaction in your mind? Is your reaction proportionate? Is this what you're hoping to appease?

    Why aren’t you showing contempt for this? Why aren’t you writing posts about it? Why are you spending time and energy complaining about something that hasn’t even happened, and ignoring what is actually happening?

    I don’t understand. I don’t get you.

    On a related note, how exactly is the Iraq war a fight for the rights and freedoms in America?


    Who said it was? I don't remember saying it was.

    I said the soldiers on the ground fight for these reasons. They are there to do their job, to fight for their unit, their brothers in arms, their country. They do not know which war they will be fighting in, what soil it will be on, or for what political reasons it will be about next. How can they know?


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