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  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     OP - August 12, 2010, 08:22 PM

    I just finished watching this video:

    http://video.uk.msn.com/watch/video/looking-for-love/12ged3v3a?from=homepage_slideshow

    It's about how there are an fair number of western men looking for Thai brides and it seems to be reciprocated, although I'm not sure about the actual reasons behind Thai women's interest in the western man (i.e. simply because of a visa?).

    It just made me wonder, has the average western woman 'lost' something? a 'feminine' quality? What are your opinions?

    Once my ex told me how thesedays men are the ones who are worrying more about commitment and wanting security with a woman compared to women wanting that, more so compared to how it was a few years ago. Are women breaking more men's hearts than the other way around? What do you think?

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #1 - August 12, 2010, 09:12 PM

    women in the west are far more independent. and all these mail order types are a lot more "obedient". and yea the money and living in the west is a huge factor for these women too.

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #2 - August 12, 2010, 09:19 PM

    Most men prefer submissive women who rely on them, also very feminine and quiet.
    It's very hard to find women like that in England (that aren't total slags)

    I see alot of Traditional arab/Indian/bengali women the same way.
    Im walking around town and I see a cute woman, quiet,shy,traditional clothing, just spending time with her children and its like....aww,I want one  yes Cry

  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #3 - August 12, 2010, 09:43 PM



    So most men prefer a doormat ?

    As for the OP, I read an article not so long ago where the writer desribed how she had met a mixed couple consisting of a young Eastern woman and a much older, not very attractive, Danish man and she said to herself, aha a hard to sell man with a purchased wife.

    I have myself had a colleague who was married to a 24 years old Filipina. He was 53 years old and definitely not very attractive, bald, overweight amd potbellied. I find it hard to believe, that she fell head over heels in love with his "wonderful personality" ( at least I did not notice anything particularly wonderful about his personality). Sadly I think that these girls see the marriage as a ticket to a better life than they could have in their home countries and the not very marketable men see it as their only chance to get a partner.


    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #4 - August 12, 2010, 09:46 PM

    There was a Dutch guy (45 to 62) at this Scuba club I used to go to in NL who had a Thais GF (28 to max 35), they obviously were not compatible and were constantly having a go at one another.
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #5 - August 12, 2010, 09:49 PM


    So most men prefer a doormat ?


    Well,not in so many words, ha ha
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #6 - August 12, 2010, 09:52 PM

    Sadly I think that these girls see the marriage as a ticket to a better life than they could have in their home countries and the not very marketable men see it as their only chance to get a partner.


    +1

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #7 - August 12, 2010, 10:08 PM

    Here's the first part of a documentary about mail order brides (well not exactly "Mail Order")

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V93dG8_Ma4
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #8 - August 12, 2010, 10:16 PM

    Most men prefer submissive women who rely on them, also very feminine and quiet.
    It's very hard to find women like that in England (that aren't total slags)

    I see alot of Traditional arab/Indian/bengali women the same way.
    Im walking around town and I see a cute woman, quiet,shy,traditional clothing, just spending time with her children and its like....aww,I want one  yes Cry

    Well,not in so many words, ha ha

    Your attitude is foul.

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #9 - August 12, 2010, 10:54 PM

    In reply to OP, I don't think women have lost anything. I think many have probably gained a lot in terms of education, self-determination and self-reliance.

    There are definitely some people lacking in social graces, who show a general lack respect for one another but this applies to both sexes. I wouldn't attempt to tell women what "femininity" is or should be, but I think its meaning is largely dependent upon cultural norms (and influenced by religious values in some cases). For women to question whether they are 'lacking' because a few Western men (of varying levels of attractiveness and social skill) are going abroad to find overwhelingly poor, malleable women is odd. It is that small minority of men who have failed to adapt and grow, which is why they have been unable to find a partner. They now go in search of disadvantaged women who are likely to accept much less than women in our society, often simply out of material need.

    There are varying levels of commitment people can make to one another, and it's up to each individual to decide how much they'd like to commit to a relationship. If people are honest and open with each other, I don't see why this would be a problem. For me, a notion of security in any of my relationships stems from trust. The type of security someone who isn't sure whether their partner is only with them for the sake of a passport is slightly different.

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #10 - August 12, 2010, 11:20 PM

    Your attitude is foul.


    why? because I demonstrated the fact that most men prefer quiet women who want the men to take care of them and who arent complete sluts in the process?
    get real...
    Life is what life is.
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #11 - August 12, 2010, 11:32 PM

    life is what it is for you not every one likes the same thing

    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGat4i8pJI&feature=g-vrec
    Just kidding, here are some true heros
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBTgvK6LQqA
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #12 - August 12, 2010, 11:36 PM

    I didn't say all did I?
    I said most

    and his lack of acceptance of that reality because he doesn't personally like it just isn't my problem.



    Starting to see a consistent pattern of people responding to my posts with near-strawmen arguments..
    Perhaps reading lessons are in order.
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #13 - August 12, 2010, 11:54 PM


    So most men prefer a doormat ?

    As for the OP, I read an article not so long ago where the writer desribed how she had met a mixed couple consisting of a young Eastern woman and a much older, not very attractive, Danish man and she said to herself, aha a hard to sell man with a purchased wife.

    I have myself had a colleague who was married to a 24 years old Filipina. He was 53 years old and definitely not very attractive, bald, overweight amd potbellied. I find it hard to believe, that she fell head over heels in love with his "wonderful personality" ( at least I did not notice anything particularly wonderful about his personality). Sadly I think that these girls see the marriage as a ticket to a better life than they could have in their home countries and the not very marketable men see it as their only chance to get a partner.




    That's true, most do seem to be older and lonely men. I think most of these brides to just want a better life too, so in a way since they're both consenting and just wanting companionship, I don't see anything wrong with it. It is unfortuneate that those girls are just settling with someone rather than someone they love, I feel sorry for the men from those countries. Kind of like the islamic arranged marriage situation.

    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

    'Life is just the extreme expression of complex chemistry' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #14 - August 13, 2010, 09:35 AM

    why? because I demonstrated the fact that most men prefer quiet women who want the men to take care of them and who arent complete sluts in the process?
    get real...
    Life is what life is.

    Your attitude is still off key. I couldn't care less whether you prefer a quiet or easy going partner. It is unacceptable to call women slags and sluts. It's just a way of demeaning women whose behaivour doesn't conform to your preferences of attraction and it reeks of casual sexism.

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #15 - August 13, 2010, 12:00 PM

    to reek of
    (Sorry. Smiley )

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  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #16 - August 13, 2010, 12:11 PM

    to reek of
    (Sorry. Smiley )

    Good catch, Aziz.

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #17 - August 13, 2010, 05:13 PM

    .
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #18 - August 13, 2010, 09:29 PM

    Some guy in another forum I visit a woman from the far-east. He's probably the most hopelessly naive and stupid person you could hope to meet.

    Here's his story:

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=392909

    Speaking of Louis Theroux, the documentary he did on female bodybuilders was even more weird.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OWqz5FMEY0

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  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #19 - August 14, 2010, 12:15 AM

    I take a laid back approach to this subject.  One of our previous posters has said that "most men" prefer women who are unassertive and submissive.  Equally true is the fact that most women prefer men who are not bald, fat, ugly male chauvinist pigs.  And I expect most women in Thailand would prefer not to live in poverty.

    So, who cares?  The surplus males from the richer parts of the world manage to use their money to offload themselves to women who are poor enough to pander to their whims.   The women are getting a more affluent life than they otherwise would have, so everybody is happy.   

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #20 - August 14, 2010, 12:46 AM

    Your attitude is still off key. I couldn't care less whether you prefer a quiet or easy going partner. It is unacceptable to call women slags and sluts. It's just a way of demeaning women whose behaivour doesn't conform to your preferences of attraction and it reeks of casual sexism.


    Pwnd.  Cheesy

    "If intelligence is feminine... I would want that mine would, in a resolute movement, come to resemble an impious woman."
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #21 - February 10, 2014, 07:06 PM

    From what I've seen, most men who get mail order brides are lacking in traditional qualities that are considered attractive. It's not just about being bald and overweight, there's a social aspect and confidence they often miss. Most people have a natural desire for companionship, and if someone is 40-50+ and still hasn't found it, I can't really hold it against them that they'd seek it however they can. Most people don't want to be alone.

    If I was unable to find love all my life and was desperately lonely, I'd probably consider it as well. I wonder how many end up having mutually loving and fulfilling relationships.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #22 - February 10, 2014, 07:45 PM

    Meh, I wonder how it feels knowing that you are with a person who wouldn't even look your way if it hadn't been for your citizenship. Most men aren't even rich, just normal regular people with a job and home. I had a friend who was half filipino, her father had remarried like three of four times. Her mother divorced him just three or four years after the marriage (she was just a baby), and remarried a filipino whom she brought from back home. The last wife he had was younger than his oldest daughter. It was disgusting, in my opinion, and very sad.

    Tgis isn't just about "oh, I want a nice obedient good looking woman" (well, yeah, that is what they want. Asian ladies tend to look younger than their age and are traditionally submissive). But what we usually tend to forget is, that these men are basically unwanted by most women in their respective country. There's a reason why they are still alone well into their 40's and 50's, why they have multiple broken marriages behind them... And also why, recently in Sweden at least, cases of domestic violence and outright misogynist opression is rampant in these relationships. There was a law proposal that wanted to protect these women by not taking their citizenship away if they divorced due to domestic violence (if they did so before the stipulated time when you get permament citizenship).

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #23 - February 10, 2014, 08:34 PM

    It's not only the Asian women who has eyes for rich old men or sugar daddies.
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #24 - February 10, 2014, 08:37 PM

    You on the market?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #25 - February 10, 2014, 09:02 PM

    Of course not, but this was a discussion about white men going to south east Asia finding young desperate brides for themselves, wasn't it? Smiley

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #26 - February 10, 2014, 09:12 PM

    So what are your thoughts on my above comment?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #27 - February 10, 2014, 10:39 PM

    People generally do things for their advantage.
    The best situation occurs when both sides are made better by the situation.

    The easiest question to ask with relationships is what does either side gain or sacrifice?

    In the West, it is still expected for a man to have a job.
    In the West, high earning women expect a man to have an even better job.
    In the West, women don't really wish to be obedient.
    In the West, you can have sex without marriage, especially as a man.

    The question then becomes, how would a man in the West benefit from having a Western woman?
    Love or good personality is one thing.
    But beyond that, it is much less tangible.

    Contrast that with a thai or more eastern woman. They get a 'nicer' man that they would have back home. One who is probably more lenient and probably a good standard of living. So they have something to gain. And the man, gets a partner for building a family or household of his own.

    The same problem occurs with Western woman. They often make their own money, so they don't need that from a man. Of what do they gain from marrying a western man?
    Again, maybe someone to love or a good personality.

    But marriage has generally been more about rights and duties to build a household than anything about love or getting along.

    And that plays itself out quite well in society.


    -------------

    I guess I could even provide myself as an example here.
    Maybe it sound selfish, but that's just how people are.

    I'm a guy with a good job. My wife also has a really good job.
    But her job is much less of an asset for me. She would not want to be supporting me. She's not going to let me stay at home with the kids while she works. So I'm going to have to work anyways Tongue

    I don't need a very extravagant life style and what I would want is someone to love and enjoy time and create my own family with.
    Being an independent woman means having to attend to her leading needs like going to her business functions, family, friend stuff..
    That's on the cost side of the equation. Not to mention conflicting goals and what not in life...

    You don't have those 'costs' with that 'simple thai girl'.

    Now, I probably could not bring myself to trust someone like that thai girl from overseas in terms of they being in it for the long haul... Their alternate motives might be too great for me to handle. But I can definitely see the appeal of it.

    And I don't really need someone to cook/clean, so there's not much benefit to her either. I've cooked and cleaned my whole life Tongue
    And I certainly don't see much wrong with it. She gains and he gains and life is for the better.


  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #28 - February 10, 2014, 10:47 PM

    I don't agree. It depends if you still hold very traditional ideas about marriage and partnership, while wanting to live a more "modern" life. It's a paradox. This is not the case more and more, especially among the younger generation. My parents generation would have had this problem, which they do. But I personally couldn't care less what my future partner does for a living, as long as he is hard working, honest and loyal. For me, masculinity is not about how much you earn or whatever. I think those ideas are very much obsolete.

    "The healthiest people I know are those who are the first to label themselves fucked up." - three
  • Louis Theroux: Thai Brides
     Reply #29 - February 10, 2014, 11:01 PM

    @cornflower

    You might be unique or maybe the next generation is different.
    But from my experience, professional women expect to marry a professional man.

    There's been plenty of articles about it as well.

    This of course does not apply to all professional men and women.
    We're talking about grand stereotypes and fulfillment of needs here.

    Why create a marriage union in the first place as a traditional concept quickly becomes an issue?

    I'm just talking about the basic point that both men and women will treat things in a way that benefits them. If they both don't benefit then trouble will ensure unless there is a great sacrifice or restraint by either side.

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