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  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #30 - August 03, 2010, 05:55 AM
    Most nationalists in Pakistan are also Islamists, also whenever nationalists try to unite pakistan they alienate most ethnic groups that aren't their own and fail. Pakistan would be better off divided into 3 or 4 different countries.
    "In a child's power to master the multiplication table, there is more sanctity than in all your shouted "amens" and "holy holies" and "hosannas." An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral. And the advance of man's knowledge is a greater miracle than all the sticks" - Henry Drummond
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #31 - August 03, 2010, 05:56 AM
    Well start doing your part for your country then and quit judging Iranians off past-experiences Smiley
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #32 - August 03, 2010, 05:57 AM
    What do you guys think of the Kalash (they're claimed by Pan-Iranists)? Or Balochistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #33 - August 03, 2010, 05:58 AM
    Quote from: Woodrow on August 03, 2010, 05:55 AM
    Most nationalists in Pakistan are also Islamists, also whenever nationalists try to unite pakistan they alienate most ethnic groups that aren't their own and fail. Pakistan would be better off divided into 3 or 4 different countries.

    or the religious-military-feudal power nexus is weakened enough so that sane, rational, and progressive democrats are made to govern Pakistan and make it a fair country for all its citizens where greater automony is given to provinces to be themselves in a federation.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #34 - August 03, 2010, 06:01 AM
    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 05:56 AM
    Well start doing your part for your country then and quit judging Iranians off past-experiences Smiley

    Cute. I am judging Pan-Iranianism as a movement among Iranian diaspora. Not Iranians, my dear googooli magooli.  Wink

    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 05:57 AM
    What do you guys think of the Kalash (they're claimed by Pan-Iranists)? Or Balochistan?

    The Kalash are a unique people. They themselves claim they are descendants of Greek soldiers and nobles who remained back during the times of Alexander's invasion of South Asia.

    To understand Balochistan you also need to understand Baloch nationalism that has often opposed both Pakistani and Iranian rule over themselves over the last century or so. A fair amount of them want complete independence as Azad Balochistan that unites Pakistani and Iranian and even Afghan Baloch territories. Others want greater autonomy in their provincial affairs and better government funding for their impoverished people.

    Pakistan and Iran have both treated Baloch very badly because the Baloch have been a stubborn and proud race of people who dont like being told what to do by non-Balochis.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #35 - August 03, 2010, 06:03 AM
    Well I've never met a Baloch, but from what I understand they're distinctally culturally and racially different from their neighboring countries.

    If Baloch wants to stay as part of Iran, then let them, why not.  I support them.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #36 - August 03, 2010, 06:04 AM
    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 06:03 AM
    Well I've never met a Baloch, but from what I understand they're distinctally culturally and racially different from their neighboring countries.

    If Baloch wants to stay as part of Iran, then let them, why not.  I support them.

    and what about the Baloch who want independence?
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #37 - August 03, 2010, 06:05 AM
    Source to Kalash claiming this please.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #38 - August 03, 2010, 06:06 AM
    Quote from: atheist.pk on August 03, 2010, 06:04 AM
    and what about the Baloch who want independence?


    Majority would win of course, who knows what the situation of Iran will be in 10 years.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #39 - August 03, 2010, 06:11 AM
    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 06:05 AM
    Source to Kalash claiming this please.

    Oh you will find plenty of these claims.
    http://www.anusha.com/kalashav.htm
    http://bahrein.blogspot.com/2005/02/kalash.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash

    But apparently they are not Greek descendants as far as DNA testing of their Y chromosomes go. They are simply a Dardic race of people that isolated themselves from the rest of the world for many centuries because they live in a part of Pakistan that has been difficult to access for most people by land except on a few occasions like during Alexander's invasion and other sporadic instances.

    That is why most are not even Muslim.
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #40 - August 03, 2010, 06:12 AM
    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 06:06 AM
    Majority would win of course, who knows what the situation of Iran will be in 10 years.

    I like your optimism. But the problem is geopolitics is rarely based on optimism. :(
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #41 - August 03, 2010, 06:13 AM
    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 05:31 AM
    I've met many Kurds IRL and on the net and the only ones who have not supported Pan-Iranist ideology are maybe 3 out of a 100. The majority of my subs/friends on YT are Kurds and I back and forth with them all the time.

    I have met two Iranian Kurds and they are are just as pro-Kurdistan as Turkish and Iraqi Kurds. They have a different language and culture.


    Quote from: Woodrow on August 03, 2010, 05:42 AM
    Won't pan Iranism have to collide with pan Turkism for greater Iran?

    Not to mention Assyrian Nationalism, SSNP's greater Syria, and Kurdistan.  Cheesy
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #42 - August 03, 2010, 06:15 AM
    Thanks!
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #43 - August 03, 2010, 06:16 AM
    Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on August 03, 2010, 06:13 AM
    I have met two Iranian Kurds and they are are just as pro-Kurdistan as Turkish and Iraqi Kurds. They have a different language and culture.

    Not to mention Assyrian Nationalism, SSNP's greater Syria, and Kurdistan.  Cheesy


    Their culture is very similar and they speak an Indo-Iranian language. Kurds can speak Kurdish to a Farsi speaker and they would understand it.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #44 - August 03, 2010, 06:22 AM
    Still I have never came across a Kurd who advocates pan-Iranism.


  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #45 - August 03, 2010, 06:23 AM
    Keep looking!
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #46 - August 03, 2010, 06:50 AM
    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 05:33 AM
    Pan-Iranists want: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTyjf69iy9A

     Cheesy

    Anyone who tries to take my country away will be shot personally by me. Smiley

    Anyway, welcome.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #47 - August 03, 2010, 08:06 AM
    Where you live Abood
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #48 - August 03, 2010, 10:10 AM
    Kuwait.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #49 - August 03, 2010, 10:22 AM
    I think we should reestablish the Roman Empire.

    *does the Roman salute*
    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #50 - August 03, 2010, 10:31 AM
    Quote from: Abood on August 03, 2010, 10:10 AM
    Kuwait.


    Were you born there? Its been 20 yrs since the iraqi invasion.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #51 - August 03, 2010, 10:34 AM
    Yes.

    And I know. Yesterday was the 20-year commemoration of the start of the invasion. How's that relevant?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #52 - August 03, 2010, 10:59 AM
    Just asking innit no need to get all angry.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #53 - August 03, 2010, 11:04 AM
    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 05:35 AM
    Another thing about Kurds that I would like to point out, for those of you who know Iranians, you know that there is a certain "Iranian phenotype", basically if I were to see someone with this phenotype, I would instantly say "oh he must be Iranian" (shape of the face, position of the eyes, nose, etc...)


    Phenotypes mean fuck all in the end.

    Quote from: PersoAryanism on August 03, 2010, 05:35 AM
    . Kurds pretty much have this exact phenotype, I believe mtDNA tests show they're extremely close to Persians in Iran.


    What does the YDNA show?  

    Also good luck with trying to get Armenia in the same union with Azerbaijan and Georgia to a certain extent.  You're going to need it  Cheesy  Can't see many of the people you mentioned being very happy with your plans
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #54 - August 03, 2010, 11:18 AM
    Quote from: ras111 on August 03, 2010, 11:04 AM
    Phenotypes mean fuck all

    What does the YDNA show?  

    Also good luck with trying to get Armenia in the same union with Azerbaijan and Georgia to a certain extent.  You're going to need it  Cheesy  Can't see many of the people you mentioned being very happy with your plans

    Pan-Iranists will say stuff like "Oh that is because these areas (including Afghanistan) left their real mother land Iran because of traitors within them, and as a result started fighting with each other and did not culturally progress like us Iranians have etc etc"

    Though to be fair western Afghanistan (Khoarasan), Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Balochistan, and Armenia were essentially taken away by the Russians and the British after a century or so of Iranian control when the incompetent and hilariously mediocre Qajar dynasty was in charge. Before that these areas of the Caspian Sea region were a buffer between the Ottomans and Safavids, while the Pashtuns and Balochis always resented being under Iranian control (incl. out of religious reasons because most Baloch and Pashtun are Sunnis, while most of Iran is Shia).

    If anything these Caspian Sea and Central Asian countries are a prize for both Pan-Turkists and Pan-Iranists, and almost neither of these factions make up a sizeable movement there.   Cheesy

    But that being said, past precedents and incompetence does not justify these areas needing to be given back to Iranian hands. All of these areas are now part of independent sovereign states which dont necessarily have a kind word to say to the Pan-Iranists (esp. the Pahlavi and Islamic Republic generations).
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #55 - August 03, 2010, 11:20 AM
    Quote from: XxThaminaxX on August 03, 2010, 10:59 AM
    Just asking innit no need to get all angry.

    Lol. I'm not angry. grin12
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #56 - August 03, 2010, 11:49 AM
    Shall I post the link to the scientific studies that show that the people most closely related to Jews are Kurds or do you not want me to disillusion  our new fascist friend?

     grin12 parrot bunny
    bleed for me...kill for me...die for me
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #57 - August 03, 2010, 11:54 AM
    So does that mean the Persian Jews (esp. the self-hating immigrants in Los Angeles) are most likely Kurds?  Cheesy
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #58 - August 03, 2010, 12:01 PM
    Quote from: NineBerry on August 03, 2010, 11:49 AM
    people most closely related to Jews are Kurds or do you not want me to disillusion  our new fascist friend?


    That in effect would make the Kurds Semites.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Iranian joining in!
     Reply #59 - August 03, 2010, 12:03 PM
    "Semites" is not a biological classification. It is a classification based on language. If you look at the genetic history, Jews are more closely related to Kurds and Turkish people than to Arabs.
    bleed for me...kill for me...die for me
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