Apostated last year after 3 years in islam

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #60 - August 04, 2010, 07:19 PM

We set it manually when we've seen that a new member isn't a troll.

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #61 - August 04, 2010, 07:33 PM

Ohhh, okay. ^^

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Reply #62 - August 04, 2010, 07:35 PM

Quote from: Aziz on August 04, 2010, 07:19 PM
We set it manually when we've seen that a new member isn't a troll.

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Reply #63 - August 19, 2010, 11:35 PM

sorry to dig up an oldish thread.

welcome to the forum algebra

it seems like that you and your wife have a lot of love for each other - and that's the most important thing. i admire the fact that you can have very different views but still have a lot of respect for each other.

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Reply #64 - August 19, 2010, 11:40 PM

Quote from: ateapotist on August 02, 2010, 07:46 PM
x² + 2y - z = apostasy

where:
x = critical thinking
y = access to scientific knowledge
z = pressure to conform

Sorry, I realised that this algebraic formula needs correcting slightly.

Change y:

y = access to scientific knowledge, or better morality, or knowledge of Muhammad's ugly side.

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Reply #65 - August 19, 2010, 11:41 PM

so you met Mo personally? what was he like dude?

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Reply #66 - August 19, 2010, 11:43 PM

He was a skater boy, dude.
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Reply #67 - August 19, 2010, 11:49 PM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on August 19, 2010, 11:41 PM
so you met Mo personally? what was he like dude?

You know what I mean by "ugly side"; like having sex with a nine year old girl etc etc.

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Reply #68 - August 19, 2010, 11:52 PM

Mashallah. On what standard do you judge the wrongness of what Muhammad did? The Quran says it's alright, and it's the absolute standard, so it has to be alright.
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Reply #69 - August 19, 2010, 11:55 PM

so you trust hadiths? (you know, the documentations that were written at least two hundered years after the alleged incidents took place, and therefroe the same documentations that a professional historian would have nothing to do with)

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Reply #70 - August 19, 2010, 11:57 PM

i must admit though - if you guys are ready and willing to accept hadiths as truths - you are like the majority of Muslim I know

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Reply #71 - August 19, 2010, 11:59 PM

anyways i didn't come back for a fight, lol

let's love each other

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Reply #72 - August 20, 2010, 12:21 AM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on August 19, 2010, 11:57 PM
i must admit though - if you guys are ready and willing to accept hadiths as truths - you are like the majority of Muslim I know

Yunus, that's exactly why we argue against Islam based on these hadiths, because the vast majority accept them. But when discussing Islam with you, we have to be more philosophical and scientific.

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #73 - August 20, 2010, 01:56 AM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 03:32 AM
We have a son.

We are bringing him up muslim.

I'm not militant about islam.

Chances are he will grow up in the secular west and apostacize himself in his teens.

I would prevent him from getting ultra-religious though.

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Reply #74 - August 20, 2010, 02:07 AM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 01:31 PM
Islam has great appeal in that it presents God in a simple and powerful way.
A completely transcendent deity.

I was 26 when I first accepted islam.

It was only after reading the Quran and ahadith that I realized that much of the Quran is simply the words of a leader, a good leader, who was intent on holding onto power.

You didn't bother to read the Quran before converting to Islam!!! I am shocked! How can you accept a religion without reading at least the main book, that is the Quran? Didn't you read some history about the religion written by Westerners? I am totally flabbergasted when I see people converting to Islam without informing themselves.

Powerful God? What about cruel God? God of Muslims tortures kaffirs - it is there in black and white in all the religious books of Islam, how did you manage to overlook that fact?

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #75 - August 20, 2010, 02:14 AM

Quote from: algebra on August 03, 2010, 02:49 PM
I think "good" as in the president is a "good" leader.

Looking out for the best (as he defines them) interests of the nation as a whole, in particular his supporters interests.

A person that puts the nation's well being before his own.

That may involve eliminating, by any means, opponents from within and without the nation.

As you said, muslims believe they are in direct contact with this deity. That he is listening to them.

I'm not sure this is such a bad thing, it certainly does not make them schizos.

Do you think that Muhammad was a good leader? Muhammad did not care for his nation. He was a megalomaniac who only cared for his own pleasure. He was a pedophile - he married 6 year old Ayesha when he was 53 years old. He killed hundreds of innocent people, is that the mark of a good leader?

You are wrong to say that Muslims believe that they are in direct contact with the deity. They fear him. For example, I don't fear God.

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Reply #76 - August 20, 2010, 02:20 AM

Quote from: Ram on August 20, 2010, 02:14 AM
Do you think that Muhammad was a good leader? Muhammad did not care for his nation. He was a megalomaniac who only cared for his own pleasure. He was a pedophile - he married 6 year old Ayesha when he was 53 years old. He killed hundreds of innocent people, is that the mark of a good leader?

You are wrong to say that Muslims believe that they are in direct contact with the deity. They fear him. For example, I don't fear God.

I say he was good leader Mr. Ram ., how do you define a good leader?? Sometimes a gang leader could also be a good leader., without doubt the guy was inspirational to his followers. His followers gave him their wealth, their women and their life for the leader.

It is true that he was megalomaniac, a nut case and did have pedophillic thoughts but Muhammad did NOT kill hundreds of innocent people. I don't think he really participated in wars but his followers killed not 100s but in 1000s for the sake of Muhammad and his Islam..

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #77 - August 20, 2010, 11:34 AM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on August 19, 2010, 11:55 PM
so you trust hadiths?

What else are we to trust? Its a pro-biased source, and the Quran gives little insight into his character?

In other words how else are we to ascertain his character, will you accept non-muslim sources? Are there any?

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Reply #78 - August 20, 2010, 04:34 PM

Quote from: Abood on August 19, 2010, 11:52 PM
Mashallah. On what standard do you judge the wrongness of what Muhammad did? The Quran says it's alright, and it's the absolute standard, so it has to be alright.

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Re: Apostated last year after 3 years in islam
Reply #79 - August 20, 2010, 05:46 PM

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