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Introduction threads.
OP - July 27, 2010, 02:12 PM

Lately, introduction threads suck.

They can be divided into two categories:

1) Introduction threads by atheists. Everyone welcomes them briefly, kinda agrees with them, and does not really care much. Which is ok.

2) Introduction threads by theists. Everyone questions them about why they believe in this or that, starting 4.17e32 arguments that no sane person can really follow without getting bitter. Counterproductive gank fest, IMO. And not very friendly from the point of view of the newbie.

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Re: Introduction threads.
Reply #1 - July 27, 2010, 02:22 PM

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Reply #2 - July 27, 2010, 02:58 PM

I agree. But not every thread is like that. Julien's intro thread wasn't turned into a long-winded debate for example.

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Reply #3 - July 27, 2010, 03:04 PM

I agree Tialoc, but it's difficult to see what can be done about it. perhaps intro threads should allow only welcoming messages and any sort of questions/ discussions should be discouraged?

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Reply #4 - July 27, 2010, 03:09 PM

I dont mind an introduction page turning into a discussion fest.

At the end of the day its up to the newbie if he wishes to continue the discussion, and I am not sure if it makes any difference either way. Muslims will get tied up in those kind of discussion in any case, and then leave, so might as well have it out on the intro thread (for several reasons).

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Reply #5 - July 27, 2010, 03:12 PM

I personally think IsLame should be banned from all intro threads - that will cut the problem in half at least

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Reply #6 - July 27, 2010, 03:22 PM

It's an intro thread; they're being introduced to what they're gonna be facing.
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Reply #7 - July 27, 2010, 03:25 PM

Quote from: abuyunus2 on July 27, 2010, 03:12 PM
I personally think IsLame should be banned from all intro threads - that will cut the problem in half at least

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Reply #8 - July 27, 2010, 03:48 PM

My 2 cents. Intro threads should contain an introduction like where are you from, family, history and discussion related to that such as oh your from the me, what do you like about it, dislike etc. Theological/ political discussions can wait. Intro threads are to know the poster as a person.

So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
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Reply #9 - July 27, 2010, 04:03 PM

Quote from: IsLame on July 27, 2010, 03:09 PM
I dont mind an introduction page turning into a discussion fest.

At the end of the day its up to the newbie if he wishes to continue the discussion, and I am not sure if it makes any difference either way. Muslims will get tied up in those kind of discussion in any case, and then leave, so might as well have it out on the intro thread (for several reasons).

But, since they are n00bs, they have no idea that the same argument is being discussed or is better discussed elsewhere.

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Reply #10 - July 27, 2010, 04:07 PM

Quote from: z10 on July 27, 2010, 03:04 PM
I agree Tialoc, but it's difficult to see what can be done about it. perhaps intro threads should allow only welcoming messages and any sort of questions/ discussions should be discouraged?

Well, I think we "regulars" should avoid questioning somebody's beliefs as soon as they make an intro thread.

I just try to imagine the opposite: me introducing myself as an Atheist in some religious forum and everyone questioning left and right why I do not believe in God because "it's so evident that I should believe in God, since it's so evident that God exists", and 20+ parallel arguments starting, and me being unable to follow them all, mixed with a bit of flaming and crude lame humor towards my lack of belief... and me saying "ok, fuck all" and deleting.

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Reply #11 - July 27, 2010, 04:08 PM

Quote from: deusvult on July 27, 2010, 03:48 PM
My 2 cents. Intro threads should contain an introduction like where are you from, family, history and discussion related to that such as oh your from the me, what do you like about it, dislike etc. Theological/ political discussions can wait. Intro threads are to know the poster as a person.

I raise that to 4 cents!

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Reply #12 - July 27, 2010, 04:16 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on July 27, 2010, 04:07 PM
Well, I think we "regulars" should avoid questioning somebody's beliefs as soon as they make an intro thread.

I just try to imagine the opposite: me introducing myself as an Atheist in some religious forum and everyone questioning left and right why I do not believe in God because "it's so evident that I should believe in God, since it's so evident that God exists", and 20+ parallel arguments starting, and me being unable to follow them all, mixed with a bit of flaming and crude lame humor towards my lack of belief... and me saying "ok, fuck all" and deleting.

I joined an Islamic forum once and introduced myself as an ex-Muslim. People were very condescending towards me from the get go. I asked one guy why he's disrespectful when I've been respectful towards him, he said he doesn't respect people who disrespect God.

As I said, it's an introduction to what the new user will be facing. It's expected. The new user can either continue the debate in the thread or take it elsewhere.

No one here has been unwelcoming.
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Reply #13 - July 27, 2010, 05:56 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on July 27, 2010, 04:03 PM
But, since they are n00bs, they have no idea that the same argument is being discussed or is better discussed elsewhere.

I disagree. Some have claimed to be reading threads for weeks, even months.
Surely they know what to expect.

Some have already formulated "opinions" about this person or that person,
and express themselves as such, IN their introductions, or shortly thereafter.

I need to abstain from some of the intros cuz I get sooo pissed off, and admittedly
realize after the fact, that my buttons HAVE been pushed, deliberately.

Perhaps i should take a hiatus from all intro threads.

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Reply #14 - July 27, 2010, 07:40 PM

Quote from: deusvult on July 27, 2010, 03:48 PM
My 2 cents. Intro threads should contain an introduction like where are you from, family, history and discussion related to that such as oh your from the me, what do you like about it, dislike etc. Theological/ political discussions can wait. Intro threads are to know the poster as a person.

That should be the intro thread. It's just to know someones general background, no?

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Reply #15 - July 27, 2010, 08:15 PM

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Reply #16 - July 27, 2010, 08:24 PM

I agree with deusvult et al. An intro thread is just an introduction of the poster, not a place for debates. I'm interested to know how the person got to his/her current state of (non)belief, what interests them in an ex-Muslim forum, etc. Some interesting debate topics may come out of those answers, and it would be a great time to invite the poster to discuss in a different thread. Otherwise the single thread will become a mash of several different topics that are too difficult to follow.

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Reply #17 - July 27, 2010, 08:34 PM

And waaaay too long lol

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Reply #18 - July 27, 2010, 09:14 PM

Quote from: Luthiel on July 27, 2010, 08:24 PM
I agree with deusvult et al. An intro thread is just an introduction of the poster, not a place for debates. I'm interested to know how the person got to his/her current state of (non)belief, what interests them in an ex-Muslim forum, etc. Some interesting debate topics may come out of those answers, and it would be a great time to invite the poster to discuss in a different thread. Otherwise the single thread will become a mash of several different topics that are too difficult to follow.

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Reply #19 - July 27, 2010, 09:32 PM

Quote from: deusvult on July 27, 2010, 03:48 PM
My 2 cents. Intro threads should contain an introduction like where are you from, family, history and discussion related to that such as oh your from the me, what do you like about it, dislike etc. Theological/ political discussions can wait. Intro threads are to know the poster as a person.

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Reply #20 - July 27, 2010, 11:46 PM

I sort of in agreement with this but wouldn't like to have to police it as such. Would be better if people just chilled out a bit in the intros I think.

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