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 Topic: TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran

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  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #150 - January 17, 2015, 09:32 PM

    The female would die during birth of the hybrid due to the size of the chihuahua. Find the test. Show the test. Do not allude to a hypothetical test not done as support. That is called Bsing


    And what do you call the nonsense I was actually responding to with that comment then?

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #151 - January 17, 2015, 09:33 PM

    Non-sequitor and red herring. Showing you fallacious thinking again.

    I gave you proof a few pages ago.
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #152 - January 17, 2015, 09:36 PM

    TRANSLATION: "I don't have any proof, of course.  Go chase a misdirection post I created a few pages ago."

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #153 - January 17, 2015, 09:37 PM

    And what do you call the nonsense I was actually responding to with that comment then?


    A well made point that you dodged.
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #154 - January 17, 2015, 09:38 PM

    TRANSLATION: "I don't have any proof, of course.  Go chase a misdirection post I created a few pages ago."


    Nope I gave examples which you never looked at. Not my issue that you are unwilling to do basic research. However you response is fallacious. I refuted your citation. Instead of providing a counter-argument for these rebuttals you shift the burden of proof to me. This is a fallacy which no one is obligated to answers. Take a few courses on logic, science and philopshy as your hobby work is lacking in all 3 and critical thinking
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #155 - January 17, 2015, 09:39 PM

    I did look at them.  That's why I ignored them because they were simply more true believer fluff.

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #156 - January 17, 2015, 09:40 PM

    A well made point that you dodged.


    Did I dodge it?  I acknowledged that it nothing but a John 3:16-type true believer quote and he responded in kind. 

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #157 - January 17, 2015, 09:41 PM

    Ad hominem statements are not arguments.
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #158 - January 17, 2015, 09:42 PM

    Did I dodge it?  I acknowledged that it nothing but a John 3:16-type true believer quote and he responded in kind. 


    Yup as you proposed an hypothetical experiment, a fiction, as a rebuttal. Which is not a rebuttal but that of imagination
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #159 - January 17, 2015, 09:45 PM

    Nope I gave examples which you never looked at. Not my issue that you are unwilling to do basic research. However you response is fallacious. I refuted your citation. Instead of providing a counter-argument for these rebuttals you shift the burden of proof to me. This is a fallacy which no one is obligated to answers. Take a few courses on logic, science and philopshy as your hobby work is lacking in all 3 and critical thinking


    I'm sorry, bogie, but your bachelor degree-level regurgitation of what others have spoonfed you doesn't impress me.  The fact that you actually believe the repetition of classic evolution speak without proof of macroevolution is somehow refuting my points is pathetic.

    The scientists I quoted do publicly state that they believe evolution is real, while at the same time admitting that the theory 100% lacks the verifying facts of the exact proof it needs to support it.  The fact that you can't see that means your intellect is fundamentally weak.

    Should I wait for you to somehow catch up?

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #160 - January 17, 2015, 09:47 PM

    Ad hominem statements are not arguments.


    The repetition of classic misdirection rhetoric without facts isn't proof.  I guess that makes us even, eh?

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #161 - January 17, 2015, 09:48 PM

    Yup as you proposed an hypothetical experiment, a fiction, as a rebuttal. Which is not a rebuttal but that of imagination


    lol And what he said WASN'T imagination?  Your magical, hypocritical thinking is amusing.

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #162 - January 17, 2015, 09:50 PM



    Never believed classical evolution but modern evolution which is now taught. However you need this strawman since you are only talking about you misconceptions of evolution not what is taught.

    http://www3.nd.edu/~mpfrende/Evolutionary_Biology/PDFs%20for%20Essay/Filchak.pdf

    Yes they believe it is real and needs work. However this still is support for the theory in it's modern form. If you read some of the experiments in your own citations you would see tests were done proving the additional work. The neutral theory was tested an added to the theory. You would have know this if you read what your own citation sources and what I linked, the actually studies...
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #163 - January 17, 2015, 09:52 PM

    lol And what he said WASN'T imagination?  Your magical, hypocritical thinking is amusing.


    A hypothetical response is not an argument no more than "A magic fairy may make me fly" is a reponse to one not being able to fly. While the comment you replied to is based on observation of wolfs killing and eating dogs. http://www.adn.com/article/20140317/wolf-kills-eats-dog-after-battle-owner-daylight-attack-near-haines
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #164 - January 17, 2015, 09:56 PM

    The repetition of classic misdirection rhetoric without facts isn't proof.  I guess that makes us even, eh?


    Nope. See son one should follow the line of thought. You made claims, I refuted your claims at the source. Rather than attempts to defend your views you shift the burden to me. This is called shift the burden of proof which is a fallacy. You proposed evolution is wrong so this is your claim thus your burden.

    http://www.qcc.cuny.edu/socialsciences/ppecorino/phil_of_religion_text/CHAPTER_5_ARGUMENTS_EXPERIENCE/Burden-of-Proof.htm
    http://www.iep.utm.edu/fallacy/

    The source is post two comments up
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #165 - January 17, 2015, 10:01 PM

    Excuse me... "Jedi" is it?  I'm actually in the middle of a discussion with a real life molecular biology scientist, so your true believer-blind faith assertions -- that don't even possess the weight of what lua brings to the table -- are beyond worthless to me.  You obviously lack the ability to discern between who is an idiot and who isn't.  

    Get your Force game up, please, then come back.  Thanks.


    I don't give a shit if you are talking to a real life molecular biologist. What does that prove? I challenge you to take your views to a university professor that specialises in and is...you know what...you can't educate morons that are so brainwashed by ideology they can't accept the truth.

    I don't need to have a conversation with a history student to know that the Battle of Hastings took place in 1066. I use common sense and get information from respected historians that present evidence.

    May the Force kick you up the arse.

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  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #166 - January 17, 2015, 10:02 PM

    And what do you call the nonsense I was actually responding to with that comment then?


    You obviously missed the point of the comment then - which was to illustrate, in a basic way that the average tweenager with only a limited background in biology can grasp, the kinds of things that will occur during speciation, a key element of which is going to be sexual/reproductive incompatibility between otherwise closely related populations.
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #167 - January 17, 2015, 10:03 PM

    http://www3.nd.edu/~mpfrende/Evolutionary_Biology/PDFs%20for%20Essay/Filchak.pdf

    Never believed classical evolution but modern evolution which is now taught.


    It's exactly the same, and no different than the 3 points I named in my lua response.  They just got better and better at the nonsense double talk that you are trying to perfect.

    However you need this strawman since you are only talking about you misconceptions of evolution not what is taught.


    I don't believe in double talk; I like cutting straight to the point without all of the fluff.

    Yes they believe it is real and needs work.


    That is 100% my point for quoting them.  I win.

    btw "needs work" is merely blind faith optimism speak for "We got nuthin.'"

    However this still is support for the theory in it's modern form.


    lol What kind of "support," bogie?  Do you have actual measurable facts to support macroevolution or NOT?  Don't bother to answer with more of your nonsense double talk.  We both know the actual answer, though one of us is too shy to admit it.

    If you read some of the experiments in your own citations you would see tests were done proving the additional work.


    Sure it did.   Roll Eyes

    The neutral theory was tested an added to the theory. You would have know this if you read what your own citation sources and what I linked, the actually studies...


    Neutral theory proves that PURE CHANCE drives mutations on the molecular level, bogie.  PURE CHANCE! Not darwinian natural selection by any stretch of the imagination.  Do you understand, Mr. Bachelor's Degree???  That means that when the question "Why is it like THIS, instead of like THAT?" is asked only God's decision fits as the answer.   Period.  Allah is the sustainer of His creation based on His plan, and of all those who plan, Allah is The Best of Planners.

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #168 - January 17, 2015, 10:04 PM

    No..No Jedi.. there are questions about Macro evolution.. lot of work need to be done  and I understand there are millions or even 1000s of millions of folks on the planet that don't understand biological evolutionary processed   and the mechanisms behind the human evolution.

    But I have to agree with you that   Anyone who denies that evolution has never been to schools and may living in some isolated jungles or an Idiot...

    Anyways questions like,  How can one species "turn into" another? or  How  evolution produce extremely  organs like the eye or the human brain.?.   we can frame plenty of such questions and answer them., May be we should do that in a different thread..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    All these questions can be answered via Google unless retarted..

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #169 - January 17, 2015, 10:04 PM

    I don't give a shit if you are talking to a real life molecular biologist.


    And I don't give a shit about fake Jedi pretending they actually know what is going on in this thread.

    B'bye.

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #170 - January 17, 2015, 10:05 PM

    All these questions can be answered via Google unless retarted..


    There's only one 't' in retarded. 

    The Force is really strong with you.   whistling2

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #171 - January 17, 2015, 10:06 PM

    What real Jedi have you met?  Cheesy

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #172 - January 17, 2015, 10:08 PM

    There's only one 't' in retarded. 

    The Force is really strong with you.   whistling2


    So that's why the Jedi a republic fell...no spellcheck.  whistling2

    I'd rinse you in a game of wit. Though you are handicapped by religion so it's not a fair game.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #173 - January 17, 2015, 10:08 PM

    Nope. See son one should follow the line of thought. You made claims, I refuted your claims at the source.


    The three points I listed in my response to lua ARE your claims at their source, and you've already admitted they "have problems."  lol

    Go sit down somewhere, bogie.  You are officially wasting my time now.  Go get Jedi to teach you how to lightsaber fight.

  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #174 - January 17, 2015, 10:15 PM

    The Darkside I sense in you.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #175 - January 17, 2015, 10:17 PM

    It's exactly the same, and no different than the 3 points I named in my lua response.  They just got better and better and the nonsense double talk that you are trying to perfect.


    Nope since the neutral theory was not in Darwin's work but is in the mdoern theory now this prove it wrong. Hilarious considering it was one of your own sources. I guess these mistakes happen when you do not read what you link. Another display of your lack of abilities.

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    I don't believe in double talk; I like cutting straight to the point without all of the fluff.


    You have been doing this the whole time. You do not just like it but love it.

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    That is 100% my point for quoting them.  I win.


    Nope considering all of them still support the theory and have made additions to the theory which in some studies was done in experiments all you have shown is you do not read what you cite. The neutral theory for example. Sciences is not about 100% certainty that is religion. You confuse the two.

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    btw "needs work" is merely blind faith optimism speak for "We got nuthin.'"


    Nope. It is acceptance that science can always been reformed, developed, added to. This is a principle of sciences but you do not know this since you are an artist.

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    lol What kind of "support," bogie?  Do you have actual measurable facts to support macroevolution or NOT?  Don't bother to answer with more of your nonsense double talk.  We both know the actual answer though one of us is too shy to admit it.


    Evidence is in the fossil records and genetic information. Macro takes place over a longer period of time than micro.

    Examples are Oenothera lamarckiana, de Vries, Primula kewensis,  Tragopogon mirus, Raphanobrassica, Galeopsis tetrahit, Madia citrigracilis. I can mention more if you wish.

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    Sure it did.   Roll Eyes


    No you didn't since a few of your quotes are not in the actually studies I linked. So you quoted something not in the study. Produce a link of your sources.

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    Neutral theory proves that PURE CHANCE drives mutations on the molecular level, bogie.  PURE CHANCE! Not darwinian natural selection by any stretch of the imagination.  Do you understand, Mr. Bachelor's Degree???  That means that when the question "Why is it like THIS, instead of like THAT?" is asked only God's decision fits as the answer.   Period.  Allah is the sustainer of His creation based on His plan, and of all those who plan, Allah is The Best of Planners.


    So what? I already told you Neutral theory is part of the modern theory. Again you are arguing against a strawman since you do not know much about the modern theory. The study never said God but actually provided an explanation. Read what I linked. You will notice it only applies to the molecular levels......  Again not reading what you or I link.

    "According to Kimura, the theory applies only for evolution at the molecular level, and phenotypic evolution is controlled by natural selection, as postulated by Charles Darwin"

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0100755#pone-0100755-g003

    A link shows how the Neutral theory fails
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #176 - January 17, 2015, 10:22 PM

    How is neutral theory "part of the theory" when it clearly disproves the theory?

    What school did you get your BA from again?  You may wish to get your money back...

  • Re: TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #177 - January 17, 2015, 10:23 PM

    Neutral theory proves that PURE CHANCE drives mutations on the molecular level, bogie.  PURE CHANCE! Not darwinian natural selection by any stretch of the imagination. 


    Natural selection doesn't produce the mutations - it 'determines' which mutations get propagated in a population. You're a bit confused here.
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #178 - January 17, 2015, 10:25 PM

    The three points I listed in my response to lua ARE your claims at their source, and you've already admitted they "have problems."  lol

    Go sit down somewhere, bogie.  You are officially wasting my time now.  Go get Jedi to teach you how to lightsaber fight.


    Yes however this is science. There are always problems since sciences is not a certainty. You are looking at it through the lens of religion. Takes a few courses on sciences. Maybe you will understand what it actually is, what it explains and how.
  • TheRationalizer Vs MRasheed - Facts of evolution Vs Facts of the Quran
     Reply #179 - January 17, 2015, 10:25 PM

    Natural selection doesn't produce the mutations - it 'determines' which mutations get propagated in a population.


    It doesn't determine any such a thing because PURE CHANCE!!!!

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