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  • Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     OP - July 06, 2010, 02:30 AM
    I have some questions maybe some of you can explain to me.

    I know that in some southeast asian and middle eastern cultures,
    (especially where women are supressed), that male bonding, and
    sexual tension is not necessarly uncommon.  Such as touching,
    holding hands, dancing together, spending hours away from their
    wives *edit/typo correction* (especially in arranged marriages),
    or adolescent boys discovering sexuality but have no idea about
    relationships with women or even in close proximaty or access to them.  

    I was watching a series on "Middle Sexes" and one of the episodes
    touched on this and rekindled my curiosity about the male/male
    relationships in various areas of the world.  I have wanted to study
    this at length (my passion for cultural anthropology) and am extremely
    curious to know how you, if you came from a society where this is the
    norm, dealt with it, how it affected you, your community, was this social
    norm... etc etc.  

    If i am way off the mark, please let me know too.  The following documentary
    is extremely fascinating, and would recommend anyone interested in sexual
    identity to watch the entire series.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEjgUt9u39U&feature=related
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #1 - July 06, 2010, 06:23 AM
    There are more closet gays in Pakistan than anywhere else I've been.

    And I've looked.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #2 - July 06, 2010, 06:10 PM
    thanks z10 for replying.  How do these men cope with their
    religious convictions as muslims, and also, do they live in fear
    of their lives because of the koranic punishment for male/male
    relationships?  How far can they take it before they reap the
    consequences of their desires and preferences? 

    I find it such a shame, that any human being, who really cannot
    help the way they feel towards the same sex, have to live
    covertly because of both social and relgious "norms".  But doesnt
    their society condone their open affections with the same sex,
    i.e. holding hands, etc. 

    Also in that series, they did a test with men, who were hetrosexual
    and had no problems with men/men relationships and also with
    men who were homophobic.  The test was to measure their arousal
    response to a gay video.  The results were, the ones with no problem
    with gays were not very aroused by it.  However, the homophobic men
    in MOST cases were definitely aroused by the video, but insisted they
    were not, even though the measured results indicated they were.

    Then i think about muslim women getting stoned, whipped, imprisoned,
    divorced and their children taken away from them for ALLEGED infidelity/adultry.   
    finmad
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #3 - July 06, 2010, 06:17 PM
    To be fair, not many of those who partake in homosexual activities actually think of themselves as gays, it's just the easiest way to get off because there's no taboo of guys sleeping in the same bed.
    Additionally, they have a very liberal attitude towards sin, everything can be forgiven if you repent and they all plan on repenting once they reach their 60s.
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #4 - July 06, 2010, 06:25 PM
    ya
    homophobia is irrational
    for instance
    the thought of two guys getting it on, ewwww that's soooo wrong
    yet
    the thought of two chicks getting it on, mmmm possible threesome
    it all comes down to one thing
    your own sexual security
    homophobes like to think
    "I'm not gay, I'm not gay, I'm not gay..."
    that they won't be gay
    but only through sexual education
    and extensive experimentation
    can they conclude whether they're gay or not

    the sexual repression of religious societies is really quite sad
    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #5 - July 06, 2010, 06:28 PM
    Very interesting that the homosexual behaviour isn't considered homosexual. The blatantly obvious paradox seems to pass by unnoticed. I guess human beings are masters at the art of convincing themselves that only they are exceptions to the rules.

    Sexual suppression doesn bring out the strangeness in people.

    Seeing the hand holding always made me feel weird. Quite a culture shock for me coz I was always used to the hetero men never touch attitude.
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #6 - July 06, 2010, 06:28 PM
    Quote from: z10 on July 06, 2010, 06:17 PM
    To be fair, not many of those who partake in homosexual activities actually think of themselves as gays, it's just the easiest way to get off because there's no taboo of guys sleeping in the same bed.
    Additionally, they have a very liberal attitude towards sin, everything can be forgiven if you repent and they all plan on repenting once they reach their 60s.

    Doesnt mean they wont be called a 'gaandoo'  grin12
    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #7 - July 06, 2010, 06:29 PM
    haha, yes, all the time  grin12
    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #8 - July 06, 2010, 06:35 PM
    Quote from: atheist.pk on July 06, 2010, 06:28 PM
    Doesnt mean they wont be called a 'gaandoo'  grin12



    I remember my mum yelling at me for saying that once when I was a kid and I wondered what was so bad about it grin12
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #9 - July 07, 2010, 12:17 AM
    z10.... Thats what Dr.. Khan was saying in the video.  They dont even consider it as a "sexual act" just
    a way of relieving themselves.  Except for the VJ guy and his "husband".  Next question is HOW did they
    get married in a muslim fashion?Huh?  How could that even be possible?  Unless the Imam was gay?Huh?

    coco... I remember when i went to my first nightclub in europe.  I was stunned to see all the
    gals dancing with each other, and the guys dancing with themselves as well.  But then i thought,
    this is great!  I can dance without having someone to ask me to dance LOL.  Then i noted that
    guys use the opportunity to approach you on the dance floor rather than where you are seated LOL.
    I actually learned to enjoy the experience.  First couple of times i was very self conscious but after
    that, was good to go.    Afro  Besides it was definitely easier to scope out the cuties from the
    dance floor  Tongue
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #10 - July 07, 2010, 12:44 AM
    I would imagine the muslim marriage would have been the easlier of the two
    throw on a burka and who's to say you're not a woman

    I could be wrong in this
    never seen a muslim wedding
    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #11 - July 07, 2010, 12:54 AM
    Lol. You don't wear a burka in a marriage because the reception is gender segregated.
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #12 - July 07, 2010, 01:03 AM
    Quote from: Shadizar on July 07, 2010, 12:44 AM
    I would imagine the muslim marriage would have been the easlier of the two
    throw on a burka and who's to say you're not a woman

    I could be wrong in this
    never seen a muslim wedding

     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Burkas in weddings. nice one!
    ....unless of course, you're talking about the old weird bedouin marriages, where the husband cant even look at his own wife...ever
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  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #13 - July 07, 2010, 01:20 AM
    Quote from: Shadizar on July 06, 2010, 06:25 PM
    ya
    homophobia is irrational
    for instance
    the thought of two guys getting it on, ewwww that's soooo wrong
    yet
    the thought of two chicks getting it on, mmmm possible threesome
    it all comes down to one thing
    your own sexual security


    Bollocks, that's not homophobia, that's simply being true to what you like if you're straight.  I have no problem with gay people but I don't have to like watching two blokes make out and at the same time feel ashamed that I like the idea of two chicks doing it.   That's my nature.

    Heck I personally find those 55 year old fatties who stroll about on the beach wearing G strings and bikinis quite revolting.  Doesn't mean that I have anything against them or that I'm going to stop them from doing it either.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #14 - July 07, 2010, 01:33 AM
    I don't understand where you're coming from ras
    if you're arguing the point, I don't see it
    if you're agreeing then don't venomize it
    Sex booze and rock&roll
    you know
    the finer things in life
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #15 - July 07, 2010, 02:35 AM
    so then, ras... according to this documentary (theres 11 videos) and that test they performed, you would have been the straight guy, who doesnt mind gays, and wouldnt have been turned on by the gay video... That is only what that test was about.. That homophobes actually tended to get excited from the vid, not the ones who didnt have a prob with gays.
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #16 - July 07, 2010, 01:05 PM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 07, 2010, 02:35 AM
    so then, ras... according to this documentary (theres 11 videos) and that test they performed, you would have been the straight guy, who doesnt mind gays, and wouldnt have been turned on by the gay video... That is only what that test was about.. That homophobes actually tended to get excited from the vid, not the ones who didnt have a prob with gays.



    All right I'll come clean, I didn't watch the video.  Shadizar's remarks reminded me of a certain attitude some seem to have that's all.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #17 - July 07, 2010, 01:48 PM
    np ras  Smiley  my curiosity and interest in this is mainly from an
    anthropological perspective, although I am also curious because
    the koran and hadeeths are so extremely against this
    behavior.  Like men are being killed (hung and stoned) for
    this.  how do they differentiate between being gay, and
    boys/men having sex with one another "for fun" or
    just to release stress, etc? 

    Shad... no worries, kick back and lets learn about this
    together   Smiley
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #18 - July 17, 2010, 08:22 PM
    A short talk about the penis and how to pleasure it by Stephanie Abdoul-Nassif

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeoyWWBf4dA
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #19 - July 17, 2010, 09:43 PM
    i had no idea their sex  education was so graphic!
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #20 - July 17, 2010, 11:34 PM
    Quote from: Shadizar on July 06, 2010, 06:25 PM
    ya
    homophobia is irrational
    for instance
    the thought of two guys getting it on, ewwww that's soooo wrong
    yet
    the thought of two chicks getting it on, mmmm possible threesome
    it all comes down to one thing
    your own sexual security
    homophobes like to think
    "I'm not gay, I'm not gay, I'm not gay..."
    that they won't be gay
    but only through sexual education
    and extensive experimentation
    can they conclude whether they're gay or not

    the sexual repression of religious societies is really quite sad


    have u ever tasted cock??
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #21 - July 17, 2010, 11:39 PM
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    Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies



    Jinn and Tonic ,  Hello  Jinn and Tonic .,  I am not sure whether you are Jinn Or you are on Tonic but you missed the "Mail"  and the "Male"

    lol..  just kidding...
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #22 - July 17, 2010, 11:39 PM
    ^fag
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #23 - July 17, 2010, 11:41 PM
    Quote from: Summer2008 on July 17, 2010, 08:22 PM
    A short talk about the penis and how to pleasure it by Stephanie Abdoul-Nassif

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeoyWWBf4dA


    ...That really looks fake, infact i'm sure i've seen that veiled woman in that place and those clothes before on a different video about a year ago.
    "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." - Viktor E. Frankl

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  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #24 - July 18, 2010, 12:31 AM
    yeezevee  im  an advocate of jinn rights, and i do confess,
    i am a jinn wannabe lol.  I just thought they should have a
    drink named after them too ghost
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #25 - July 18, 2010, 12:38 AM
    Quote from: Jinn and Tonic on July 18, 2010, 12:31 AM
    yeezevee  im  an advocate of jinn rights, and i do confess,
    i am a jinn wannabe lol.  I just thought they should have a
    drink named after them too ghost

    I agree with you Jinn and Tonic.,  I too Advocate Gin rights



    Good stuff..  we got to go  slow on it.
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #26 - July 18, 2010, 12:40 AM
    ^ haha


    EDIT: check out my new sig
    Quote from: thinkfree on September 28, 2010, 07:58 PM
    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #27 - July 18, 2010, 12:49 AM
    yeezevee    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  youuuuu got it LOL
    definitely have to go....sloe!!!
    *slappin knee*
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #28 - July 18, 2010, 02:51 AM
    Quote from: Summer2008 on July 17, 2010, 08:22 PM
    A short talk about the penis and how to pleasure it by Stephanie Abdoul-Nassif

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeoyWWBf4dA


    Thank god her modesty was protected.  I might have been turned on. 
    So once again I'm left with the classic Irish man's dilemma, do I eat the potato or do I let it ferment so I can drink it later?
    My political philosophy below
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  • Re: Sex, Taboo, Maile bonding in Islamic societies
     Reply #29 - July 18, 2010, 03:04 AM
    Quote from: stardust on July 17, 2010, 11:41 PM
    ...That really looks fake, infact i'm sure i've seen that veiled woman in that place and those clothes before on a different video about a year ago.

    How do you mean fake?
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