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  • NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     OP - June 24, 2010, 02:28 PM

    Being a fairly new athiest (possibly agnostic at best), I question things that have happened in
    my life that point to a higher consciousness.  Has anyone else experienced things like this?

    Ive had two near death experiences, and am trying to sort all this out.

    NDE's

    1.  I was 11, and in Hawaii bodysurfing.  I got caught in the undertoe and was swept
    out to sea.  The next thing i knew, i was fully conscious, but swimming to the bottom
    of the ocean.  It was very bright, and i could see for miles.  I had no need to breathe
    and saw a beautiful shell on the ocean floor.  I thought, "how pretty! im gonna swim
    and go get it"  I felt no pain, or any fear whatsoever.  Suddently, I felt ripping pain in
    my chest and went black.  A guy had seen me and swam out to rescue me.  The next
    thing I remembered was being on the beach being recesitated.   Huh?

    2.  I was visiting some very close friends on an indian reservation.  It was blistering
    hot, and i had gone for a long walk in the prairie.  I must have walked a mile or so,
    and was feeling dizzy, so i started walking back.  I came across an old woman and
    begged her for some water.  Her grandson ran and got some water, and i sat down
    under a shaded area.  He handed me the water and i passed out.  The next thing I
    knew there were these BEAUTIFUL people all floating around me, smiling.  I sensed
    so much love and joy, and PEACE beyond understanding.  They were speaking to
    me like telepathically.  They told me with unconditional love, I could come with them
    or stay.  I asked them if i could take a raincheck and go with them at a later date LOL.
    The next thing i knew, i started coming around.  There were folks trying to cool me
    off with water on my forehead, and dripping some in my mouth.  An ambulance was
    sent for me, and i continued in and out of consciousness.  The medic was freaking
    out (and pissing me off) cuz he kept screaming my name and trying to keep me
    conscious.  It was so blissfully peaceful and i just wanted to float away, and wished
    they left me alone.  When i got to the emergency room, everything was blurry at
    best, but I started to come around again.  The medic kept saying, 'You were almost
    a gonner!  We saved your life just in the nick of time!"  Then i felt really sick, and it
    took 4 IV bags to fully hydrate me again, they said I had heat stroke.  

    I had shared these experiences with the muslims I knew, trying to understand
    what had happened.  They were partcularly interested to know what it was like
    on the other side.  I also had some out of body experiences in my life, that I
    have no explanation for, but will post them later.

    Im interested to know if any of you have had similar experiences.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #1 - June 24, 2010, 02:39 PM

    None that I can remember. That is sooo cool. The NDE. Kind of a relief to know that when you pass away you go to some other place. There are some brutally painful deaths on the internet I look at all the time to remind myself of how fragile this human shell is.

    OBE i have them in my dreams, but I never had one where I was fully consciously aware. I was lucid in a lot of dreams. Like I would fly, look at my hands, do the spinning thing and change dream scenario. All sorts of good stuff.

    Your ego is so out of whack that it will do whatever it can to protect itself. And people with a messed up ego can do these mental gymnastics to convince themselves they're awesome when really, they're just douchebags!-->Kyle Brolovski
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #2 - June 24, 2010, 03:41 PM

    Wow!  That's pretty amazing, DW.  I've never had an OBE myself that I'm aware of but do believe in them.

    I had a reading with a medium a few years ago and he told me that I leave my body when I sleep to go help other souls who are having trouble crossing over.  Didn't know how much to believe but after several of his messages/prophecies/warnings came true I'll take him at his word.

    I was dozing off one time when all the sudden I was in East Africa, I believe somewhere around the Ethiopian/Somali border.  I remember it was really hot and you could see the heat ripples in the air when a woman with her children came walking out of the desert towards me.  I instinctively knew that she was a Somali who was killed along with her kids trying to flee the fighting in that country and I was consoling her and reassuring her and her children that all of their pain and suffering was over.   Then I woke up and what the medium had told me about my sleep activity came back to me and I thought perhaps this was one of those OBEs he said I had when sleeping.

    I have never found myself floating over my body though like most people who have OBEs so I'm still a bit doubtful as to whether it really happened or not.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #3 - June 24, 2010, 03:58 PM

    Nour... wow!! thats mind boggling too!  I had one OBE, and it was fairly recently, I was standing in
    the middle of my bedroom...looking at myself sleep!  What was weird about it was there was this
    white glowing light all around my body.  I couldnt see myself persay, but just the white glow that
    surrounded my body.  I immediately woke up as this startled me.  I had never done that before.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #4 - June 24, 2010, 04:02 PM

    One night way back when I was young and foolish I went to the billiards club after taking a hit of LSD. I didn't tell anyone at the time but I had an unfair advantage. I was the only one who could see that the table top had swelled in the center and was sloping to all the corners. I played this to my advantage (compensating for the slopes) and was able to beat everyone I played that night. I should have made some bets.

    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat your children. Praise be to Allah." -- Mike Tyson
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #5 - June 24, 2010, 05:54 PM

    ^^LSD gave you enhanced vision? - holy shit!

    I would think that being a hallucinogenic drug it would do the opposite.

    "The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves."
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #6 - June 24, 2010, 06:14 PM

    I started levitating off my couch once when I had too much Vicodin and Percocets.

    fuck you
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #7 - June 24, 2010, 06:56 PM

    I often feel that sensation in your brain when you feel like the limit between yourself and the rest of the cosmos is blurred. And you have the feeling that you are both becoming enormous and incredibly small at once.

    Or, I hope other people feel it ^_^
    Otherwise it means my brain is particularly weird lol

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #8 - June 24, 2010, 06:57 PM

    PS: all that when perfectly sober ;P

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #9 - June 24, 2010, 07:36 PM

    Being a fairly new athiest (possibly agnostic at best), I question things that have happened in
    my life that point to a higher consciousness.  Has anyone else experienced things like this?

    Ive had two near death experiences, and am trying to sort all this out.

    NDE's

    1.  I was 11, and in Hawaii bodysurfing.  I got caught in the undertoe and was swept
    out to sea.  The next thing i knew, i was fully conscious, but swimming to the bottom
    of the ocean.  It was very bright, and i could see for miles.  I had no need to breathe
    and saw a beautiful shell on the ocean floor.  I thought, "how pretty! im gonna swim
    and go get it"  I felt no pain, or any fear whatsoever.  Suddently, I felt ripping pain in
    my chest and went black.  A guy had seen me and swam out to rescue me.  The next
    thing I remembered was being on the beach being recesitated.   Huh?

    2.  I was visiting some very close friends on an indian reservation.  It was blistering
    hot, and i had gone for a long walk in the prairie.  I must have walked a mile or so,
    and was feeling dizzy, so i started walking back.  I came across an old woman and
    begged her for some water.  Her grandson ran and got some water, and i sat down
    under a shaded area.  He handed me the water and i passed out.  The next thing I
    knew there were these BEAUTIFUL people all floating around me, smiling.  I sensed
    so much love and joy, and PEACE beyond understanding.  They were speaking to
    me like telepathically.  They told me with unconditional love, I could come with them
    or stay.  I asked them if i could take a raincheck and go with them at a later date LOL.
    The next thing i knew, i started coming around.  There were folks trying to cool me
    off with water on my forehead, and dripping some in my mouth.  An ambulance was
    sent for me, and i continued in and out of consciousness.  The medic was freaking
    out (and pissing me off) cuz he kept screaming my name and trying to keep me
    conscious.  It was so blissfully peaceful and i just wanted to float away, and wished
    they left me alone.  When i got to the emergency room, everything was blurry at
    best, but I started to come around again.  The medic kept saying, 'You were almost
    a gonner!  We saved your life just in the nick of time!"  Then i felt really sick, and it
    took 4 IV bags to fully hydrate me again, they said I had heat stroke.  

    I had shared these experiences with the muslims I knew, trying to understand
    what had happened.  They were partcularly interested to know what it was like
    on the other side.  I also had some out of body experiences in my life, that I
    have no explanation for, but will post them later.

    Im interested to know if any of you have had similar experiences.


    I'm more inclined to believe our beliefs influence what we see when we pass out.

    I've been out cold as saw my real mum, who I was convinced at the time was dead (but actually she wasn't) surrounded by light, reaching out for me.  I knew if I went with her I would die, or at least these were the thoughts registering in my head at the time.  I wanted to hold her so badly, but I didn't want to die, so I pulled away and woke up with my friends slapping my face.

    I thought I'd had some kind of experience, further confirmed by my belief that my mum was dead, seeing her made me more convinced that I had had a NDE.

    A good few years later, I actually met my mum, alive and well.  I believe now we see what we want to see, what we hope we will see, but it's not real.  It's a dream we invent in our minds.

    The ones where people come back saying they saw things that were actually happening and things that can be "proved", I have no idea what that is all about, but I am skeptical of that too, and sure we will eventually explain it through science.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #10 - June 24, 2010, 07:44 PM

    I would love to have an OBE. It seems to me something worth experiencing and very important to understand.

    At evening, casual flocks of pigeons make
    Ambiguous undulations as they sink,
    Downward to darkness, on extended wings. - Stevens
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #11 - June 24, 2010, 07:48 PM

    Where can I find these drugs??


    I've only had a few scary experiences with my sleep paralysis but no NDEs or OBEs

  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #12 - June 24, 2010, 07:51 PM

    Being a fairly new athiest (possibly agnostic at best), I question things that have happened in
    my life that point to a higher consciousness.  Has anyone else experienced things like this?

    Ive had two near death experiences, and am trying to sort all this out.

    NDE's

    1.  I was 11, and in Hawaii bodysurfing.  I got caught in the undertoe and was swept
    out to sea.  The next thing i knew, i was fully conscious, but swimming to the bottom
    of the ocean.  It was very bright, and i could see for miles.  I had no need to breathe
    and saw a beautiful shell on the ocean floor.  I thought, "how pretty! im gonna swim
    and go get it"  I felt no pain, or any fear whatsoever.  Suddently, I felt ripping pain in
    my chest and went black.  A guy had seen me and swam out to rescue me.  The next
    thing I remembered was being on the beach being recesitated.   Huh?

    2.  I was visiting some very close friends on an indian reservation.  It was blistering
    hot, and i had gone for a long walk in the prairie.  I must have walked a mile or so,
    and was feeling dizzy, so i started walking back.  I came across an old woman and
    begged her for some water.  Her grandson ran and got some water, and i sat down
    under a shaded area.  He handed me the water and i passed out.  The next thing I
    knew there were these BEAUTIFUL people all floating around me, smiling.  I sensed
    so much love and joy, and PEACE beyond understanding.  They were speaking to
    me like telepathically.  They told me with unconditional love, I could come with them
    or stay.  I asked them if i could take a raincheck and go with them at a later date LOL.
    The next thing i knew, i started coming around.  There were folks trying to cool me
    off with water on my forehead, and dripping some in my mouth.  An ambulance was
    sent for me, and i continued in and out of consciousness.  The medic was freaking
    out (and pissing me off) cuz he kept screaming my name and trying to keep me
    conscious.  It was so blissfully peaceful and i just wanted to float away, and wished
    they left me alone.  When i got to the emergency room, everything was blurry at
    best, but I started to come around again.  The medic kept saying, 'You were almost
    a gonner!  We saved your life just in the nick of time!"  Then i felt really sick, and it
    took 4 IV bags to fully hydrate me again, they said I had heat stroke.  

    I had shared these experiences with the muslims I knew, trying to understand
    what had happened.  They were partcularly interested to know what it was like
    on the other side.  I also had some out of body experiences in my life, that I
    have no explanation for, but will post them later.

    Im interested to know if any of you have had similar experiences.


    Fascinating.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #13 - June 24, 2010, 07:52 PM

    nour... a NDE (near death experience) only happens when you die, or are close to death.  
    not a dream or "vision"  did you die, or were close to death at the time?

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #14 - June 24, 2010, 10:31 PM

    I had several OBE's.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #15 - June 24, 2010, 10:52 PM

    I had several OBE's.


    And?
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #16 - June 24, 2010, 10:56 PM

    I had several OBE's.


    Orders of the British Empires?

    fuck you
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #17 - June 24, 2010, 11:09 PM

    And?


    I am not going into detail about these experiences. I will only state I have levitated away from my body and have some psychic abilities during these experiences.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #18 - June 24, 2010, 11:34 PM

    Did you have your fractured jaw wired shut and were trying to go to sleep on your grandparents couch after you took too much Vicodin and Percocet while the Omen played in the background?

    That's how I levitated.

    fuck you
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #19 - June 24, 2010, 11:49 PM

    nour... a NDE (near death experience) only happens when you die, or are close to death.  
    not a dream or "vision"  did you die, or were close to death at the time?


    I was talking about OBEs (out of body experiences) not NDEs.  

    I thought I was gonna die or end up in hospital in a body cast when I got hit by a car crossing the street a few months ago but only suffered a fractured shoulder and no OBEs or NDEs.

    Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

    The sleeper has awakened -  Dune

    Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish!
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #20 - June 25, 2010, 12:21 AM

    Can someone who can regularly have out of body experiences do this:

    #1 Get a friend to write something on a paper but not show you what it says.

    #2 Lie down on the bed while friend sits next to you and try to get out of your body, however you do it.

    #3 Once your eyes are closed and you appear in deep sleep/trance, your friend would flip over the paper and whatever's written on it would be visible.

    If at that point you're really floating above your body, you'd be able to read what was written. If not, its likely just in your head.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #21 - June 25, 2010, 01:19 AM

    when i was looking at myself, i actually consciously looked around to see if i saw things the same way
    as if i were actually doing so.  things looked slightly different.  Items, pictures, trinkets  seemed totaly irrelivant, and
    not important to notice.  There was a sense that they didnt matter.  I was more focused on wondering what this
    white light caccoon thing was around me lol.  I wasnt hovering over my body.  I was standing in the middle of the
    room looking at myself.  I had the sense i had been somewhere and was returning.   I have no idea where
    that was tho.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #22 - June 25, 2010, 01:23 AM

    Well, unless you could do a test like what i suggested that could give some empirical evidence that you were actually outside your body, I'd be more inclined to believe that it was just hormones in your mind messing around.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #23 - June 25, 2010, 01:41 AM

    perhaps more along the lines of astral projection?  i have never done that to my knowledge.
    although there are documented cases of NDE-ers who have watched surgical teams working
    on them, and described in detail when the doctors were trying to resecitate them. That is,
    if you choose to believe or not that what they say is true.

    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
    Helen Keller
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #24 - June 25, 2010, 01:51 AM

    Being a fairly new athiest (possibly agnostic at best), I question things that have happened in
    my life that point to a higher consciousness.  Has anyone else experienced things like this?
    ....
    I had shared these experiences with the muslims I knew, trying to understand
    what had happened.  They were partcularly interested to know what it was like
    on the other side.  I also had some out of body experiences in my life, that I
    have no explanation for, but will post them later.

    Im interested to know if any of you have had similar experiences.

    That's not the "other side", I sometimes had the similar out-of-body feelings when I used to smoke strong weed. Trippy as hell, but they were fun!




    I know someday you'll have a beautiful life, I know you'll be a star
    In somebody else's sky, but why, why, why
    Can't it be, can't it be mine

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  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #25 - June 25, 2010, 01:54 AM

    Did you have your fractured jaw wired shut and were trying to go to sleep on your grandparents couch after you took too much Vicodin and Percocet while the Omen played in the background?

    That's how I levitated.


    Nope

    It happened while falling asleep/taking a nap.

    Not only do I have OBE's while sleeping, I also have Lucid Dreams:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #26 - June 25, 2010, 02:01 AM

    when i was looking at myself, i actually consciously looked around to see if i saw things the same way
    as if i were actually doing so.  things looked slightly different.  Items, pictures, trinkets  seemed totaly irrelivant, and
    not important to notice.  There was a sense that they didnt matter.  I was more focused on wondering what this
    white light caccoon thing was around me lol.  I wasnt hovering over my body.  I was standing in the middle of the
    room looking at myself.  I had the sense i had been somewhere and was returning.   I have no idea where
    that was tho.


    When I have an OBE everything looks real. Sometimes there will be a small change.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #27 - June 25, 2010, 02:09 AM

    Nope

    It happened while falling asleep/taking a nap.

    Not only do I have OBE's while sleeping, I also have Lucid Dreams:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream


    I've always wanted to be able to lucid dream regularly. I've only had it happen a few times, and for very brief periods.

    Sounds like your out-of-body experiences are just an extension of the lucid dreaming. Enhanced lucid dreaming. Perhaps even a combination of lucid dreaming and sleepwalking.

    fuck you
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #28 - June 25, 2010, 02:25 AM

    Quote
    Q-Man

    I've always wanted to be able to lucid dream regularly. I've only had it happen a few times, and for very brief periods.

    Sounds like your out-of-body experiences are just an extension of the lucid dreaming. Enhanced lucid dreaming. Perhaps even a combination of lucid dreaming and sleepwalking.


    I don't sleepwalk and I have strange dreams ( well my dreams are never normal )when I suddenly realize I am dreaming. There was one time I had a lucid dream when I was leaving the dream and found myself having back in my room having an OBE. Besides most of the time the lucid dreaming and OBE's happen on separate occasions.
  • Re: NDE's, Out of Body Experiences, and Questions
     Reply #29 - June 25, 2010, 02:37 AM

    There was one time I had a lucid dream when I was leaving the dream and found myself having back in my room having an OBE.


    How do you know it wasn't part of the dream?

    Quote
    Besides most of the time the lucid dreaming and OBE's happen on separate occasions.


    Do OBE's happen when you are fully-conscious or asleep?

    How do you think OBEs interface with your Christian doctrine? It's not a bait, I'm genuinely curious.

    fuck you
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