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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #60 - June 21, 2010, 07:43 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 21, 2010, 07:00 PM
    Why can't you? Have you disabled avatars?


    See this thread :

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10854.0
    Like a compass needle that points north, a man?s accusing finger always finds a woman. Always.

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #61 - June 21, 2010, 07:45 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 21, 2010, 04:56 PM
    Would you really do that to me Aziz?  Cry
    (Clicky for piccy!)


    Adult BlackDog actually looks quite cute too.

    (But I still do not like Rottweilers)
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #62 - June 21, 2010, 07:46 PM
     Cheesy
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #63 - June 21, 2010, 07:54 PM
    Whatever label Debunker or Abu Yunus want for themselves is fine by me - they are both awesome people - and that's all that matters.

    It really doesn't matter what you believe or call yourself - it is your character - what's inside that matters.

    "Allah does not look at your outward figure and shapes, but what is in your hearts" Wink
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #64 - June 21, 2010, 07:56 PM
    Quote from: Paloma on June 21, 2010, 06:51 PM
    I wish I could see it  Cry

    PM him to send you the image file - its well worth it  Smiley
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #65 - June 21, 2010, 08:22 PM
    Quote from: Justlookin on June 21, 2010, 06:11 PM
    It's odd how humanists like yourself get pissy if someone reminds them of the golden rule. Seems like the golden rule (for faux humanists) only exists to shut religious people up, otherwise it can go to hell.

    Not really, as the Golden Rule doesnt apply in this case.  If I posted my phone number on a public website, then I would have no qualms with it being moved around the net.  My blog & my email address are also publically available, and I expect people to move it & post it around.  

    Like I said, mind your own consciouce, not mine, as its clear. Who do you think you are, Allah?
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #66 - June 21, 2010, 08:29 PM
    I have the url from this thread http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10854.25


    http://bayimg.com/pANeKaACE


    This is the reply I get when I click it :

    Firefox can't find the server at bayimg.com.

    on IE too, but perhaps Tlaloc if you see this, perhaps you could put the picture in a post ?

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #67 - June 22, 2010, 12:15 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 21, 2010, 04:13 PM
    i would agree.

    I think this is the bravest statement I have ever read on COEM. 

    For a Muslims to say the Quran is irrelevent takes balls, I would argue its even braver than announcing your apostacy, because an apostate believes there are no consequences but a Muslim does..

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #68 - June 22, 2010, 12:30 PM
    Quote from: Zebedee on June 21, 2010, 04:49 PM
    You might say that debunker is an apostate from traditional, orthodox Islam. I think he's a mu'tazilite, or at least closer to it than any other kind of Islam

    Amirite?


    Bingo! I am closest to Mutazlite school of thought! It 's a shame Sunnis persecuted them untill they virtually vanished.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #69 - June 22, 2010, 12:36 PM
    Quote from: Cheetah on June 21, 2010, 04:21 PM
    Yep, I agree.  Two apostates in denial, stick 'em on the ex-muslims list.   Tongue


    Oh please, don't put me and Abu under the same category. At least, I never said Quran is irrelevant.
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #70 - June 22, 2010, 12:37 PM
    Quote from: Justlookin on June 21, 2010, 06:11 PM
    It's odd how humanists like yourself get pissy if someone reminds them of the golden rule. Seems like the golden rule (for faux humanists) only exists to shut religious people up, otherwise it can go to hell.




    I c u trollin
    fuck you
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #71 - June 22, 2010, 12:38 PM
    Quote from: RIBS on June 21, 2010, 03:38 PM
    I think debunker is an apostate but he is in denial.  yes

    He said he does not go to salat on Fridays...


    so what? I don't go to Friday prayers anymore because of the smug faces I see there... I figured it would be more pious to pray at home than feel disgusted by all the fake self righteousness, I see during my time at the mosque, don't you agree?
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #72 - June 22, 2010, 12:41 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 22, 2010, 12:38 PM
    I don't go to Friday prayers anymore because of the smug faces I see there... I figured it would be more pious to pray at home than feel disgusted by all the fake self righteousness, I see during my time at the mosque, don't you agree?

    Nah, its the smell of feet that puts me off  vomit , I used to have to take a deep breath whenever I bent down to do sijdah
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #73 - June 22, 2010, 12:42 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 21, 2010, 05:29 PM
    He's posted it publically on a site much larger than this one, and chose not to delete it.  So my conscience is clear.


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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #74 - June 22, 2010, 12:43 PM
    Quote from: Saathiya on June 21, 2010, 03:49 PM
    does "liberal views on Islam" means he disagrees with stoning women or something like that?


    oh snap!  you hit the nail on the head LOLOL
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #75 - June 22, 2010, 12:44 PM
    @ Islame

    LOL! Oh well, it depends on the condition of their socks... but I have to say, it wasn't so bad where I went to Friday prayer...  
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #76 - June 22, 2010, 12:46 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 22, 2010, 12:41 PM
    Nah, its the smell of feet that puts me off  vomit , I used to have to take a deep breath whenever I bent down to do sijdah


    It's also the wudhu facilities and the risk of tinea, the dank smell in the wudhu area, the boring and irrelevant sermon in broken English (eg. the compulsoriness of hijab to a bunch of men so that they will go home and harrass their wives and daughters), the gender segregation behind the curtain, the guy with the runny nose, the HT dude handing out fliers afterwards. And on the other side is brotherhood. At least that was my last visit to the mosque. Aint going back ever.
    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #77 - June 22, 2010, 12:47 PM
    Quote from: DreamWeaver on June 22, 2010, 12:43 PM
    oh snap!  you hit the nail on the head LOLOL


    First off, stoning is in Hadith/Bible, not the Quran.

    Second, it's flogging (not stoning) and it's for both MEN and women.

    Third, and that's the most important part, it was made virtually impossible to prove fornication/adultery... rendering it a suspended sentence.  
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #78 - June 22, 2010, 12:48 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 22, 2010, 12:44 PM
    @ Islame

    LOL! Oh well, it depends on the condition of their socks... but I have to say, it wasn't so bad where I went to Friday prayer...  

    Dont get me started on their burping during taraweh , when they're standing right next to you.  I used to be able to smell everything they had just eaten to break their fast.  Frikkin cavemen  finmad
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #79 - June 22, 2010, 12:52 PM
    anyway, like I said their arrogance is the reason # 1 I don't go to the mosque anymore... (not to mention the idiotic preaching of the Imam).
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #80 - June 22, 2010, 12:52 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 22, 2010, 12:38 PM
    so what? I don't go to Friday prayers anymore because of the smug faces I see there... I figured it would be more pious to pray at home than feel disgusted by all the fake self righteousness, I see during my time at the mosque, don't you agree?


    hark!  Miracles never cease!! I actually agree with you on something!   Cheesy
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #81 - June 22, 2010, 12:59 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 22, 2010, 12:48 PM
    Dont get me started on their burping during taraweh , when they're standing right next to you.  I used to be able to smell everything they had just eaten to break their fast.  Frikkin cavemen  finmad


    omg... we were so far in the back (and never had that problem with the women lol) that we didnt have to contend with
    that LOL  and speaking of broken english, there was only one time i went to jummah that i actually understood what the hell the guy was talking about (we didnt have an imam, and each week they took turns "preaching")  and he was talking about fajr, and if you didnt get up for it, shaytan would piss in your ears, and wasy wayyyyyyyy TMI for me to ponder on for the rest of the week  wacko
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #82 - June 22, 2010, 01:09 PM
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    and he was talking about fajr, and if you didnt get up for it, shaytan would piss in your ears


    ROFL
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #83 - June 22, 2010, 01:14 PM
    Quote from: abuyunus2 on June 22, 2010, 01:09 PM
    ROFL


    Where do you think ear-wax comes from?
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #84 - June 22, 2010, 01:15 PM
     Cheesy
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #85 - June 22, 2010, 01:25 PM
    Quote from: debunker on June 22, 2010, 12:47 PM
    First off, stoning is in Hadith/Bible, not the Quran.

    Second, it's flogging (not stoning) and it's for both MEN and women.

    Third, and that's the most important part, it was made virtually impossible to prove fornication/adultery... rendering it a suspended sentence. 


    Question

    If the Qur'an was sent to confirm the previous Books, in this case, the Torah, then why doesn't it contain the injunction of stoning for adulterers? I mean, it's the same 'kitab,' isn't it? So why isn't it in there?

    And at the same time, was stoning part of the Injeel? I think Jesus did not mandate such a practice at all, and yet the Qur'an says that 'there is no change in the words of Allah.'

    Not trying to catch you out or something, these things just don't make sense to me, at present.

    And another thing, are you a mu'tazilite?
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #86 - June 22, 2010, 01:29 PM
    @ Zebedee

    You do of course know that I believe the Bible is corrupted? (same with Hadith).

    And I'm convinced in the way of thinking of Mutazilites but I don't necessarily agree with all their conclusions (for example, they don't believe Hell torture is real, which I strongly disagree with).
    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #87 - June 22, 2010, 01:33 PM
    Quote from: BlackDog on June 22, 2010, 01:14 PM
    Where do you think ear-wax comes from?

    it REALLY pissed me off!!   finmad  b/c fajr was my FAVORITE salat!!!  and every time after
    that, as soon as my athan would go off for fajr, i had this image of shaytan standing there waiting
    to piss in my ears if i was late for prayer  finmad  thats a helluva thing to be stuck in your imagination
    EVERY single morning! LOLOL
    When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has been opened for us.
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #88 - June 22, 2010, 01:33 PM
    Debunker: Do you think Hell torture is eternal?
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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #89 - June 22, 2010, 01:37 PM
    @ Oz

    Some will never be tortured by Hell... some will be tortured only temporarily and some for all eternity... that's what the Quran says in perfectly clear undeniable words... so I can't be like some other Muslim here and say that Hell is "metaphorical" Wink
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