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 Topic: Debunker are you an apostate?

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  • Debunker are you an apostate?
     OP - June 21, 2010, 03:38 PM

    I think debunker is an apostate but he is in denial.  yes

    He said he does not go to salat on Fridays...

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #1 - June 21, 2010, 03:40 PM

    Is this suppose to be a joke? He is an apostate...
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #2 - June 21, 2010, 03:42 PM

    No, he says he isn't. That's why I said he is in denial...

    correction, I rarely go to the mosque, not even on Fridays.


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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #3 - June 21, 2010, 03:43 PM

    That's coz Salat methodology etc is based on Hadith that are questionable.  whistling2

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #4 - June 21, 2010, 03:44 PM

    debunker apostated once and then went back to Islam. debunker is not an orthodox Muslim. He holds more liberal views on Islam.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #5 - June 21, 2010, 03:49 PM

    does "liberal views on Islam" means he disagrees with stoning women or something like that?

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #6 - June 21, 2010, 03:50 PM

    debunker apostated once and then went back to Islam. debunker is not an orthodox Muslim. He holds more liberal views on Islam.


    There is only one Islam. Either you are a Muslim or you are not.

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #7 - June 21, 2010, 03:53 PM

    It is REALLY ambiguous! And indeed, it does seem as if something is missing... but the trick I use to let this slide is this: maybe the 7th century Arabs had no problem understanding this verse which seems too abstract to me as to think something is missing... after all, it is not unusual for the Arabic language to be too abstract...


    No Muslim would say this on the Quran...

     whistling2

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #8 - June 21, 2010, 03:55 PM

    Which verse was that?
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #9 - June 21, 2010, 03:56 PM

    There is only one Islam. Either you are a Muslim or you are not.


    Tell that to debunker, since he stated he left Islam and afterwords came back.

  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #10 - June 21, 2010, 03:58 PM

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    There is only one Islam


    perhaps, but i'm not sure anyone today really knows what that is/what it was.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #11 - June 21, 2010, 03:59 PM

    Which verse was that?


    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10047.msg288878#msg288878

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #12 - June 21, 2010, 04:00 PM

    does "liberal views on Islam" means he disagrees with stoning women or something like that?


    He believes in evolution and has admitted there is a problem with the violence in the Quran. Plus he stated he is not an orthodox Muslim.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #13 - June 21, 2010, 04:00 PM

    No Muslim would say this on the Quran...

     whistling2



    i think that statement from debunker would make a lot of sense if we agreed that the Qur'an was meant to be limited to 7th century Arabia where Muhammad could explain all the ambiguous bits or important verses that were missing.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #14 - June 21, 2010, 04:02 PM

    perhaps, but i'm not sure anyone today really knows what that is/what it was.


    I thought you know perfectly well that Islam is to follow the Quran and the Sunna. As evident by the shahada: ashhado Ana la ilaha illa Allah and Mohamed rasoolo Allah.

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #15 - June 21, 2010, 04:03 PM

    i think that statement from debunker would make a lot of sense if we agreed that the Qur'an was meant to be limited to 7th century Arabia where Muhammad could explain all the ambiguous bits or important verses that were missing.


    You mean Allah can not produce a "For all times Manual"?

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #16 - June 21, 2010, 04:04 PM

    I think debunker is an apostate but he is in denial.  yes

    He said he does not go to salat on Fridays...


    Pascal's Wager Perhaps ?

    Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense. - Voltaire
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #17 - June 21, 2010, 04:05 PM

    This is muy interesente...
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #18 - June 21, 2010, 04:06 PM

    interesante. damn my typos.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #19 - June 21, 2010, 04:08 PM

    Quote
    I thought you know perfectly well that Islam is to follow the Quran and the Sunna. As evident by the shahada: ashhado Ana la ilaha illa Allah and Mohamed rasoolo Allah.



    who says shahada is necessary for someone today to be a Muslim i.e. a submitter? Islam is simply sumbission to peace, so submission to good = submission to God. By submitting to what is good and by doing good for the sake of good, you are serving God and hence you are a Muslim.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #20 - June 21, 2010, 04:11 PM

    You mean Allah can not produce a "For all times Manual"?

     
    this manual is in-built into our intelligence and souls - we do not need scripture. scripture was only sent as a mercy to times and places where it was needed and perhaps where the people were grossly deviating from doing good. i think morality has evolved to the stage where we no longer need scripture to guide us.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #21 - June 21, 2010, 04:12 PM

    No need for such thing as the Quran then :S

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #22 - June 21, 2010, 04:13 PM

    i would agree.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #23 - June 21, 2010, 04:19 PM

    i would agree.


    Ok, we have another apostate here!  Cheesy

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #24 - June 21, 2010, 04:21 PM

    First time I've seen tlaloc;s avatar.   Cheesy  That's awesome.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #25 - June 21, 2010, 04:21 PM

    Yep, I agree.  Two apostates in denial, stick 'em on the ex-muslims list.   Tongue

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #26 - June 21, 2010, 04:23 PM

    I think they are using semantical tricks.
    They are using the term "Muslim" in a way that goes against the consensus.

    For the consensus, they are not "Muslims".
    For their personal definition of "Muslim", they are a Muslim.
    Probably, for their personal definition of "Muslim", I am a Muslim as well *shrugs*.

    But, isn't this a very weird mind trick?
    Why do such thing?
    Are they somehow scared of dropping the "Muslim" label because it's part of their culture, so they have to apply intense semantical gymnastics to keep such a label on themselves? :S

    Do not look directly at the operational end of the device.
  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #27 - June 21, 2010, 04:23 PM

    perhaps, but i'm not sure anyone today really knows what that is/what it was.

    I think the quran is clear, and it is a compilation of instructions to his followers during various different times.  I think the problem is that people are not prepared some of the more contentious things (like 4:34) but dont want to leave the religion either.

    So they make their own versions up and are never able to agree, always claiming each other are wrong and not following true Islam, because they are not prepared to follow the others version.

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #28 - June 21, 2010, 04:29 PM

    Yep, I agree.  Two apostates in denial, stick 'em on the ex-muslims list.   Tongue


    Same feeling  Cheesy

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  • Re: Debunker are you an apostate?
     Reply #29 - June 21, 2010, 04:31 PM

    Yep, I agree.  Two apostates in denial, stick 'em on the ex-muslims list.   Tongue


    Now they have to swear on the Quran that they are still Muslims. Oh wait, the quern is not needed and it is missing things... Ok bring on Dawkin's "The God Delusion"   Cheesy

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