Who's the Enemy in the War on Terror? .. JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN

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Reply #30 - June 20, 2010, 09:38 PM

LOOOOL!

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Reply #31 - June 20, 2010, 09:39 PM

Quote from: debunker on June 20, 2010, 09:34 PM
well, I said before, in another thread, that I shown her my pics, and she ran away! she obviously isn't interested!

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Reply #32 - June 20, 2010, 09:41 PM

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yeah, but we Muslims are demons, we would certainly not respond to any of these demands. So? After you have asked us so nicely to be civilized and yet we pissed on your appeals, what next?

No I believe Muslims are still human.

If Muslim countries won't become civilized, then the free world will have to penalize them by cutting off all political ties and to isolate the Muslim world.

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But I like my (alleged) craziness, Marie, and that's precisely why I refuse to take any medications.

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Reply #33 - June 20, 2010, 09:42 PM

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Whenever you two hook up that's gonna be some wild, crazy sex. I'm jealous.
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Reply #34 - June 20, 2010, 09:44 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on June 20, 2010, 09:35 PM
It's totally gonna happen. You guys are gonna have angry, forbidden Muslim on Christian/Christian on Muslim sex while her cockatiel watches.

Just give me a heads up, I'll bring over a video camera and some release forms. I'll need government-issued IDs from both of you to verify age.
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Reply #35 - June 20, 2010, 09:45 PM

I can imagine Mohammad and Jesus hanging out at the basketball court, playing 3 on 3 half-court. Along with Moses, Abraham, Jonah/Yunus and Joseph (son of Jacob). If they can get along so can you.

Let's make that one on one game happen Q-Man can referee.

*Out of bounds!*

*3 second rule!*

*Charging!*

*Now that's a definite foul*
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Reply #36 - June 20, 2010, 09:46 PM

See debunker? She's totally into it.

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Reply #37 - June 20, 2010, 09:48 PM

@ Marie

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If Muslim countries won't become civilized, then the free world will have to penalize them by cutting off all political ties and to isolate the Muslim world.

That's it?!! Hallejuah! Yeah, we want nothing more than complete and utter control over our resources. Now, please, please Marie, write letters to your politicians, and tell them to fuck off!

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Reply #38 - June 20, 2010, 09:50 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on June 20, 2010, 09:46 PM
See debunker? She's totally into it.

how do you know? shall I take her giggling as a sign of her consent?

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Reply #39 - June 20, 2010, 09:51 PM

Quote from: debunker on June 20, 2010, 09:48 PM
@ Marie

That's it?!! Hallejuah! Yeah, we want nothing more than complete and utter control over our resources. Now, please, please Marie, write letters to your politicians, and tell them to fuck off!

That's a sign. This is what Debunker is really saying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdMZ1qrn6k
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Reply #40 - June 20, 2010, 09:52 PM

Quote from: debunker on June 20, 2010, 09:50 PM
how do you know? shall I take her giggling as a sign of her consent?

She's giving you the Catholic school-girl routine. Get her tiger *raaawr*
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Reply #41 - June 20, 2010, 09:58 PM

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That's it?!! Hallejuah! Yeah, we want nothing more than complete and utter control over our resources. Now, please, please Marie, write letters to your politicians, and tell them to fuck off!

debunker I want the U.S. to look into alternative sources of fuel to create energy. When the U.S. does achieve this you won't have to worry about your resources because the U.S. will producing it's own sources of fuel. That means someday Saudi Arabia will no longer have to deal with the U.S.. Now that should make you happy.
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Reply #42 - June 20, 2010, 10:12 PM

Quote from: QueenIsabel on June 20, 2010, 09:58 PM
debunker I want the U.S. to look into alternative sources of fuel to create energy. When the U.S. does achieve this you won't have to worry about your resources because the U.S. will producing it's own sources of fuel. That means someday Saudi Arabia will no longer have to deal with the U.S.. Now that should make you happy.

Like that would be enough.

You would also have to cut all political and commercial ties with Israel.
And China.
And France.
And Switzerland.
And Serbia. (If there are any lulz)
And any other country that sometimes pisses off some Muslim somewhere in the world. Cause that means pissing off ALL "Muslim countries" in the world as well ;P

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Reply #43 - June 20, 2010, 10:13 PM

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debunker I want the U.S. to look into alternative sources of fuel to create energy. When the U.S. does achieve this you won't have to worry about your resources because the U.S. will producing it's own sources of fuel. That means someday Saudi Arabia will no longer have to deal with the U.S.. Now that should make you happy.

Let's not *speculate*, Marie, please.... I don't think that day of (large scale) alternative energy sources is coming anytime soon...

now, it's good that you don't believe in bombing the Muslims, even though they're all evil... that's enough for me....

I hate it when you bomb us and then you say that we deserved it, like the WHORE Cassie, on FFI said. (She said the Iraqi public deserved to be bombed!).

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Reply #44 - June 20, 2010, 10:23 PM

Quote from: Tlaloc on June 20, 2010, 10:12 PM
Like that would be enough.

You would also have to cut all political and commercial ties with Israel.
And China.
And France.
And Switzerland.
And Serbia. (If there are any lulz)
And any other country that sometimes pisses off some Muslim somewhere in the world. Cause that means pissing off ALL "Muslim countries" in the world as well ;P

could you please explain... I know that wasn't addressed to me, but I'm curious...

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Reply #45 - June 20, 2010, 10:29 PM

On second thoughts, Marie, I recall you said this, on FFI:

Under the Taliban, people were treated like sh*t.

"Under Saddam Hussein people were butchered and treated like sh*t.

Liberating these two countries from oppressive regimes was the best thing that ever happened to them."

by liberating you mean *raping*? (I'm not talking about Afghanistan, only Iraq).
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6609#p107994

Anyway, it's still not as bad as what the CUNT, Cassie, said here:
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6609#p108056

"Saddam had his chances to behave himself like a decent human being. He didn't take those many many chances given to him. Neither did his Iraqi backers. Don't expect us to believe that the Iraqis were totally innocent - they supported Saddam - and got just what they deserved."

What a rampant sexually insatiable SLUT this Cassie is!

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Reply #46 - June 20, 2010, 10:51 PM

The majority of Iraqis supported Saddam

That's a good one.
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Reply #47 - June 20, 2010, 10:55 PM

EVEN IF THEY DID, that doesn't mean they deserved to be bombed... bombing Iraq was extreme savagery and thuggery, pure and simple...

Bush and his henchmen are thugs wearing suits!

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Reply #48 - June 20, 2010, 10:57 PM

Yeah even if they did the invasion would still not be justified.
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Reply #49 - June 21, 2010, 01:28 AM

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by liberating you mean *raping*? (I'm not talking about Afghanistan, only Iraq).

By liberating I meant giving them their freedom. Don't worry Obama's agenda is to get our troops out of Iraq, so there is a possibility American presence in Iraq will be gone soon.
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Reply #50 - June 21, 2010, 01:35 AM

Quote from: debunker on June 20, 2010, 10:29 PM
On second thoughts, Marie, I recall you said this, on FFI:

Under the Taliban, people were treated like sh*t.

"Under Saddam Hussein people were butchered and treated like sh*t.

Liberating these two countries from oppressive regimes was the best thing that ever happened to them."

by liberating you mean *raping*? (I'm not talking about Afghanistan, only Iraq).
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6609#p107994

Anyway, it's still not as bad as what the CUNT, Cassie, said here:
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6609#p108056

"Saddam had his chances to behave himself like a decent human being. He didn't take those many many chances given to him. Neither did his Iraqi backers. Don't expect us to believe that the Iraqis were totally innocent - they supported Saddam - and got just what they deserved."

What a rampant sexually insatiable SLUT this Cassie is!

Cool it

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Reply #51 - June 21, 2010, 01:49 AM

Quote from: QueenIsabel on June 21, 2010, 01:28 AM
By liberating I meant giving them their freedom. Don't worry Obama's agenda is to get our troops out of Iraq, so there is a possibility American presence in Iraq will be gone soon.

It won't be gone. There will always be at least some 50,000 US troops. Petraeus said it (or was it Gates?). America never left Japan, never left Germany, never left Korea, and will never leave Iraq.

Regardless of the intentions and causes of the war, the saddest part is it didn't work out for either Iraq or America.
Iraq is more unstable than ever and hasn't become truly democratic. It's now a corrupt semi-confessionalist state. Just the other day the police opened fire into a crowd protesting bad public services in Basra killing 3 and injuring many more. Secret underground prisons have been discovered and I mean ones that were constructed after the war.
On the other hand, the US didn't get half its money back and the oil production isn't going up anytime soon. On top of that, the Iraqi public is becoming increasingly anti-American and America is now more hated in the Arab and Muslim world because of it. Ironically, the biggest beneficiary has been Iran which is supposedly America's and Israel's biggest enemy.

Neoconservatives must be like
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Reply #52 - June 21, 2010, 01:57 AM

Quote from: Iraqi Atheist on June 21, 2010, 01:49 AM
Neoconservatives must be like

Even if they are they wouldn't let anyone on the outside know it. They are true ideologues and their culture and mentality come much closer to the Bolsheviks than the Republicans. The neocons may have abandoned most of their Bolshevik heritage, but they have not shed the oddly cynical utopianism of the Bolsheviks combined with authoritarian practices and sheer ruthlessness.

Don't count on too many of them to admit to any major errors, they'll figure out a justification for the war, just like the Communist Party found so many excuses for the errors and atrocities they made.

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Reply #53 - June 21, 2010, 02:10 AM

Great point Q-Man. I bet some of them now regret the decision.

You reminded me of an Al-Jazeera show featuring Robert Fisk, Anas Al-Tikriti, and a twatty self-proclaimed Neocon by the name Jack Burkman. He's so stupid and dickheady, I suspect Al-Jazeera invited him to fit their nasty supremacist American stereotype. BTW just so you know, Al-Jazeera -specially its original Arabic broadcast- is VERY sensationalist and right-wing. It's like Arabia's Fox. They are pro-Saddam, pro-Hamas, and one could argue pro-Islamism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaKIh7vaOFY
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Reply #54 - June 21, 2010, 03:41 AM

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I love this fucking pig, Jack Burkman! He admitted 3 things:

1- Bush knew there were no WMDs, and lied to the ENTIRE world (yeah, the UN inspections were only a silly act).
2- They're there for oil.
3- It could have been worse! The destruction in the Middle East could have included more countries (I presume Saudi Arabia would have been far up the list).

Anyway, the neocons have said worse, more revealing things before:
http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=8635.msg214875#msg214875

And this idea of "because we are culturally superior, we have the right to imperialism" is being advertized for and is catching on!

For example, here's one pig, Erik Rush, who is a nobody, is implying that since the US is *culturally superior* this gives them the right to imperialism.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=72909
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=31737

If one could only convince those fucking terrorists of how stupid they are.. they're greatly aiding the US imperialism plans... just imagine if Faisal Shazad or the other fucking Christmas bomber succeeded in their attempts, what would have happened next? Do they actually think that the US is under any obligation not to kick the Muslims out? AND still continue on their conquest of the Middle East? But sometimes I wonder: is it that the stupidity of the terrorists has no limits or that they have simply gone completely mad or both? Or perhaps, they're just thinking that they're serving themselves, seeking an eternity in bliss?

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Reply #55 - June 21, 2010, 04:15 AM

Quote from: debunker on June 21, 2010, 03:41 AM
If one could only convince those fucking terrorists of how stupid they are.. they're greatly aiding the US imperialism plans... just imagine if Faisal Shazad or the other fucking Christmas bomber succeeded in their attempts, what would have happened next? Do they actually think that the US is under any obligation not to kick the Muslims out? AND still continue on their conquest of the Middle East? But sometimes I wonder: is it that the stupidity of the terrorists has no limits or that they have simply gone completely mad or both? Or perhaps, they're just thinking that they're serving themselves, seeking an eternity in bliss?

Maybe they aren't stupid. Look, as powerful as my country is, the US is NOT an unstoppable juggernaut. For one thing, as a volunteer army, we have limited manpower-- we cannot indefinitely expand our occupation zones and theaters of combat. At some point a draft would be necessary, which would make our foreign policy increasingly unacceptable to Americans and politically unpopular.

Even with a draft there's still a limit as to how wide an area of active combat and occupation zones we can handle. Don't forget our huge deployments in Europe, Korea and elsewhere in the Pacific Rim. Eventually China and Russia will figure out a way to exploit our situation, and then the problems for the US could conceivably get much worse.

In other words, taking the longview, expansion of US combat activity could benefit those who want the US out of the area by expanding the conflict beyond the US's limits of political, economic, diplomatic, industrial and military sustainability. This is essentially what eventually ended the USSR-- among many other problems, their economy, industry, infrastructure, etc. could no longer sustain their military expenses.

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Reply #56 - June 21, 2010, 04:29 AM

Ok, that might be the case concerning expanding the US imperialism. But don't you think that, if the Christmas bomber/Shazd succeeded in their attempts, for example, the US could have taken very harsh measures within its borders? Measures harsh enough as to make Islamic terrorism (on US soil) virtually impossible (I'm thinking banning immigration/visits from the Muslim world and instituting disriminatory laws against US Muslims). If that happens, then these attacks are a big failure for the terrorists as they would only suceed at making life like hell for Muslim Americans, without being able to force the Americans out of the Middle East. (maybe they (the US) won't - or can't - expand, as you said, but surely they won't get out).

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Reply #57 - June 21, 2010, 04:45 AM

Quote from: debunker on June 21, 2010, 04:29 AM
Ok, that might be the case concerning expanding the US imperialism. But don't you think that, if the Christmas bomber/Shazd succeeded in their attempts, for example, the US could have taken very harsh measures within its borders? Measures harsh enough as to make Islamic terrorism (on US soil) virtually impossible (I'm thinking banning immigration/visits from the Muslim world and instituting disriminatory laws against US Muslims).

Oh, sure.

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If that happens, then these attacks are a big failure for the terrorists as they would only suceed at making life like hell for Muslim Americans, without being able to force the Americans out of the Middle East.

You sure they would consider that a failure? I think you're failing to understand the methods of irregular warfare/terrorism.

It has long been a tactic of insurgents to have their actions result in MORE government repression against the very people they claim to liberate:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marighella-carlos/1969/06/minimanual-urban-guerrilla/ch38.htm

Historically this has been a largely ineffective strategy for gaining popular support in the context of a domestic insurgency but somewhat effective in the context of anti-colonial/national liberation insurgencies.

Besides, Islamic terrorists have shown time and time again they have a strong stomach for inflicting suffering on innocents and a willingness to sacrifice other Muslims in the name of the greater good. Ultimately most of these terrorists could give a fuck less what suffering American Muslims go through as long as they believe that, in the long run, it puts them even a little closer to their goal. You really think Cpt. Hassan did not anticipate his actions could cause a backlash against American Muslims when he decided to shoot up Ft. Hood? These people understand the consequences, they just happen to be ruthless.

People like this don't think like you or I do, debunker.

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Reply #58 - June 21, 2010, 05:10 AM

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Historically this has been a largely ineffective strategy for gaining popular support in the context of a domestic insurgency but somewhat effective in the context of anti-colonial/national liberation insurgencies.

Are you saying they (the terrorists) actually think they can defeat the US in Iraq by increasing their numbers there (in Iraq)?!!

Well, I never thought about it this way, but that too won't work.. unless a big chunk of Iraqis/Middle Easterners became insurgents.

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Reply #59 - June 21, 2010, 05:18 AM

Not necessarily. Iraq is not the only place the US is active, and, like you said, more terrorist attacks risk expanding the conflict zones. The main thing is that they want Muslims in general pissed off at the US-- creating a situation where American Muslims are heavily discriminated against/repressed could help that. The US will likely take more of the blame from the Muslim world for its repressive activities than the terrorists will.

My point is the negative consequences for Muslims in the US and in the Muslim world will not necessarily be regarded as failures by the terrorists themselves.

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