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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #210 - June 30, 2010, 11:21 PM
    @ Islame  Cheesy

    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #211 - June 30, 2010, 11:31 PM
    I buffered the videos and skimmed through them.  I've already heared the bullcrap that he's saying in those videos so I really did skim through them.

    Quote from: yeezevee on June 30, 2010, 11:16 PM
    Any Muslim who supports SHARIA LAWS OF ISLAM effectively supports death penalty to homosexuals.  Mr. Zakir Naik openly supports Sharia  Laws of Islam..

    True, but we still need to hear him specifically advocate death for homosexuals.

    I'm compiling a video of Zakir Naiks odious views btw.  Wink  Feel free to contribute if you have any links you can recommend me.


    So far I have video footage of him:

    Agreeing with the death penalty for apostates

    Supporting "light" wife beating

    Saying Westerners who eat pigs behave like pigs

    Supporting Osama Bin Laden if he's terrorising America

    Saying that Western women are concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketers, hidden behind the colorful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

    Saying that women who don't wear hijab are more susceptable to be raped.
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #212 - June 30, 2010, 11:32 PM
    have you got the video of him effectively sentencing the Mauritian apostate to death?
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #213 - June 30, 2010, 11:33 PM
    You mean the Maldives guy?  If so then yes I have that.
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #214 - June 30, 2010, 11:34 PM
    yes great &  much needed idea - cant wait to see the vid, when you hoping t have it ready?
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #215 - June 30, 2010, 11:34 PM
    Quote from: Shahid Raza on June 30, 2010, 11:31 PM
    I buffered the videos and skimmed through them.  I've already heared the bullcrap that he's saying in those videos so I really did skim through them.
    True, but we still need to hear him specifically advocate death for homosexuals.

    I'm compiling a video of Zakir Naiks odious views btw.  Wink  Feel free to contribute if you have any links you can recommend me.


    So far I have video footage of him:

    Agreeing with the death penalty for apostates

    Supporting "light" wife beating

    Saying Westerners who eat pigs behave like pigs

    Supporting Osama Bin Laden if he's terrorising America

    Saying that Western women are concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketers, hidden behind the colorful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

    Saying that women who don't wear hijab are more susceptable to be raped.

    Great work, dude. Afro  I might start compiling similar videos about various Muslim scholars.
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #216 - June 30, 2010, 11:37 PM
    If either of you need any help creating these videos, give me a shout or take a look at http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=6681.225
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #217 - June 30, 2010, 11:39 PM
    I also have footage of him defending Muhammads marriage to Aisha (hence defending child marriage).  It's in urdu (from 6mins onwards):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fm-RvL6K8g
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #218 - June 30, 2010, 11:42 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on June 30, 2010, 11:34 PM
    yes great &  much needed idea - cant wait to see the vid, when you hoping t have it ready?

    Probably this weekend.  I need a few days to find and compile video footage of him.
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #219 - June 30, 2010, 11:52 PM
    Quote from: Saathiya on June 26, 2010, 02:29 AM
    I dont like donkey dick.


    Quote from: MrSilly on June 27, 2010, 03:35 PM
    Then you might run into some difficulties during your future romance with IA


    I will take this into consideration. thank you.
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #220 - July 01, 2010, 10:27 AM
    Quote from: yeezevee on June 30, 2010, 09:21 PM
    yes,   IF THEY BEAT YOU UP  


    Which Zakir Naik doesn't

    Quote from: yeezevee
    and tell others in their political party who follow these Marxists and Islamists  leaders to kill you for writing critical against their political/religious/social/ethical/moral  issues


    Strictly speaking, Zakir Naik doesn't do that.
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #221 - July 01, 2010, 10:35 AM
    Great job by Uk......
    Fuckir Nayak deserves it in all countries......
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #222 - July 01, 2010, 11:29 AM
    Quote from: MrSilly on July 01, 2010, 10:27 AM
    Strictly speaking, Zakir Naik doesn't do that.

    Could his views (which he professes publicly) be considered incitement to religious hatred?
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #223 - July 01, 2010, 11:33 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on July 01, 2010, 11:29 AM
    Could his views (which he professes publicly) be considered incitement to religious hatred?


    If so then Islam would be banned, probably along with Christianity, Judaism, and Mormonism.  The excused used is "I am just saying what a book says"...Isn't that what Geert Wilders said? Smiley
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #224 - July 01, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 01, 2010, 11:33 AM
    If so then Islam would be banned, probably along with Christianity, Judaism, and Mormonism.  The excused used is "I am just saying what a book says"...

    Bans are counter-productive. How about submitting Islam and all other religions to a respectful but for that reason exactly no less ruthless and critical analysis. This would be a way to show true respect for Muslims (and other religionists), to treat them as serous adults who are responsible for their beliefs.

    And not as retarded crybabies who are unable to critically asses their own views and position - which is obviously something that "we" Westerners can. But Muslims cannot because they are "different".
    Yep, BBC-like "respect" is actually a sign of blatant racism.

    Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 01, 2010, 11:33 AM
    Isn't that what Geert Wilders said? Smiley

    Was he referring to Quran?
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #225 - July 01, 2010, 11:47 AM
    Quote from: Kenan on July 01, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Treat them as serous adults who are responsible for their beliefs.


    Sure, and not in an attempt to make them apostatise.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #226 - July 01, 2010, 11:51 AM
    To diverge slightly from the topic,
    I was wondering whether we should really use phrases like "I support your right to practice your religion", because what if part of their religion is simply illegal in the West?  Like killing apostates, or beating wifes, or discriminating against homosexuals. wacko

    Maybe we should use phrases like: "I support your right to believe in your religion and worship freely".
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #227 - July 01, 2010, 11:54 AM
    Quote from: TheRationalizer on July 01, 2010, 11:47 AM
    Sure, and not in an attempt to make them apostatise.

    Ofc. Why would you think that somebody would want somebody else to apostatise?
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #228 - July 01, 2010, 12:06 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on July 01, 2010, 11:54 AM
    Ofc. Why would you think that somebody would want somebody else to apostatise?


    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #229 - July 01, 2010, 12:29 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on July 01, 2010, 11:29 AM
    Could his views (which he professes publicly) be considered incitement to religious hatred?


    Yes

    And if you do, do you propose banning the Quran, The Bible, The Torah
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #230 - July 01, 2010, 12:30 PM
    Quote from: Kenan on July 01, 2010, 11:44 AM
    Bans are counter-productive. How about submitting Islam and all other religions to a respectful but for that reason exactly no less ruthless and critical analysis. This would be a way to show true respect for Muslims (and other religionists), to treat them as serous adults who are responsible for their beliefs.


    Yes. And do the same to Zakir Naik's views.
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #231 - July 01, 2010, 12:32 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on July 01, 2010, 11:51 AM
    To diverge slightly from the topic,
    I was wondering whether we should really use phrases like "I support your right to practice your religion", because what if part of their religion is simply illegal in the West?  Like killing apostates, or beating wifes, or discriminating against homosexuals. wacko

    Maybe we should use phrases like: "I support your right to believe in your religion and worship freely".


    +1
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #232 - July 01, 2010, 01:16 PM
    +2 In fact that should be on the declaration of citizenship
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  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #233 - July 01, 2010, 01:25 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on July 01, 2010, 12:30 PM
    Yes. And do the same to Zakir Naik's views.

    ?
    That's the point of my post exactly.
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #234 - July 01, 2010, 02:45 PM
    So he shouldn't be banned?
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #235 - July 01, 2010, 02:49 PM
    Quote from: MrSilly on July 01, 2010, 02:45 PM
    So he shouldn't be banned?


    I don't see what purpose it serves.  Actually I think it makes things worse because people can still access his talks via youtube etc but no longer have the ability to cross examine him.
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #236 - July 01, 2010, 02:54 PM
    Yes, I agree. Myself and Kenan may have got our wires crossed, since I interpreted one of his posts as supportive of the ban (my mistake).

    I think the ban just lionises him, and feeds paranoid Islamic minds with ideas of both persecution and conversly, supremacy (the whole, 'these kaffir know he's right, that's why they are afraid of him and need to ban him')
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #237 - July 01, 2010, 02:59 PM
    Yeah. NASA probably recorded a giant magnetic field coming out of Zakir Naik on the day but obviously won't tell us because of the Zionist Jews; just like when Neil Armstrong saw the Earth from space and asked "But who has hung it there?"
    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #238 - July 02, 2010, 02:39 AM
    Quote from: hupla on June 18, 2010, 05:46 PM
    The UK is getting very police state like in the way it is banning various people from the country.  It seems to have started with Geert Wilders.  I wonder if it was their intention at the time to go this far, or do they have to go this far now (banning anyone controversial) in the interests of seeming "even handed".

    Naik is very common surname of Hindus in the state of Maharashtra. Zakir Naik's family were originally Hindus who converted to Islam or were forced into it. Naik in the Marathi language means leader or head of a clan.
    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
  • Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
     Reply #239 - July 02, 2010, 02:43 AM
    Quote from: Saathiya on June 18, 2010, 09:17 PM
    So he's going back to India?
    Yepee for us.
    Quote from: virav5 on June 18, 2010, 09:18 PM
    Honestly I don't really know who's Zakir Naik is, he's not famous here  grin12
    Naik in Indonesia mean ride/rise/increase  Tongue


    Naik is a Marathi word. Marathi is the official language of the State of Maharashtra in India. Naik means leader or head of a clan.
    वासुदैव कुटुम्बकम्
    Entire World is One Family
    سارا سنسار ايک پريوار ہے
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