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Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
OP - June 18, 2010, 10:04 AM

Here is the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/10349564.stm

In my view I don't think anyone should be banned from a country because of the views they hold no matter how distasteful those views maybe. As I see it as a blow to freedom of speech. Anyone pro or anti Islam should be allowed to express their opinion without the state interfering. When the state starts to deem what is appropriate for the society (to hear, view and read) we start to enter into dangerous territory.

Although I would have banned Zakir Naik not for his views, but for having an offensive name.
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Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
Reply #1 - June 18, 2010, 10:12 AM

whats wrong with his name?
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Reply #2 - June 18, 2010, 10:16 AM

Oh, I know this one.

Naik is 'Fuck' in Arabic.

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The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives.
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Re: Zakir Naik: Banned from UK
Reply #3 - June 18, 2010, 10:19 AM

Naik = Fuck (In Arabic) I'm not an Arabic speaker, but I am somewhat familiar with Arabic culture and I've been told that in fact it is slightly more offensive then the word 'fuck' itself.
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Reply #4 - June 18, 2010, 10:24 AM

Quote from: TheLastKnight on June 18, 2010, 10:16 AM
Oh, I know this one.

Naik is 'Fuck' in Arabic.
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Reply #5 - June 18, 2010, 10:28 AM

Quote from: Boo on June 18, 2010, 10:12 AM
whats wrong with his name?

Oh yes his name ia a major "Fuck up" word in the arab world. I cant remember which thread we discussed his offensive name before.

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Reply #6 - June 18, 2010, 10:56 AM

hate speech is not protected by freedom of speech.
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Reply #7 - June 18, 2010, 11:05 AM

Quote from: Sahasrara on June 18, 2010, 10:19 AM
Naik = Fuck (In Arabic) I'm not an Arabic speaker, but I am somewhat familiar with Arabic culture and I've been told that in fact it is slightly more offensive then the word 'fuck' itself.

Its fucker.

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Reply #8 - June 18, 2010, 11:27 AM

Quote from: @li on June 18, 2010, 10:56 AM
hate speech is not protected by freedom of speech.

Yes it is.

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Reply #9 - June 18, 2010, 12:39 PM

Quote from: TheLastKnight on June 18, 2010, 10:16 AM

Although I would have banned Zakir Naik not for his views, but for having an offensive name.

Why? The last time I checked, Arabic was not the official language of the UK either...

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Reply #10 - June 18, 2010, 12:42 PM

Quote from: RIBS on June 18, 2010, 10:28 AM
Oh yes his name ia a major "Fuck up" word in the arab world. I cant remember which thread we discussed his offensive name before.

Quite appropriate for him though, looks like allah has a rather twisted sense of humour choosing someone with the name of fucker to preach his message, especially to non Arabic speakers.

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Reply #11 - June 18, 2010, 01:04 PM

Quote from: @li on June 18, 2010, 10:56 AM
hate speech is not protected by freedom of speech.

true. This guy spreads hate and superiority complexes with in Muslims. out right blames Jews and Christians. one poor guy almost died while attending his show by the audience when the guy admitted he left Islam and zakir naik in his infinite wisdom said that all apostates must be killed.

Good thing Britian banned him. Too bad he is coming to Canada my home country to spread his bullshit. At the "Journey of Faith". hahahah

http://journeyconference.com/

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Reply #12 - June 18, 2010, 01:07 PM

Quote from: canex on June 18, 2010, 01:04 PM
true.

No, it's not true.

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This guy spreads hate and superiority complexes with in Muslims. out right blames Jews and Christians.

These things fall under the natural right of "freedom of speech" and should not be prohibited by the state as detestable as we find them.

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one poor guy almost died while attending his show by the audience when the guy admitted he left Islam and zakir naik in his infinite wisdom said that all apostates must be killed.

That's direct incitement to violence, and thus not a right to freedom of speech and may be justly prohibited by the state.

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Reply #13 - June 18, 2010, 01:13 PM

you can criticize someone for their actions. but how is generalizing all jews based on some quranic verse free speech?

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Reply #14 - June 18, 2010, 01:21 PM

You obviously don't understand what free speech is. You seem to think that free speech means the freedom to say things you don't find morally objectionable.

Freedom of speech means the right to say whatever the fuck you want, provided it is not a direct and immediate incitement to violence or directly and immediately leads to some other violation of someone's rights, or a criminal conspiracy to do so.

It means this right cannot be justly prohibited by the state, it can only be prohibited by someone exercising their own personal or private property rights over the offending party. In other words, the state cannot prevent neo-Nazis from holding a rally in the town square, but I can prevent someone from expressing such beliefs in my house.

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Reply #15 - June 18, 2010, 01:32 PM

^^ +1 @Q-Man

Quote from: RIBS on June 18, 2010, 10:28 AM
Oh yes his name ia a major "Fuck up" word in the arab world. I cant remember which thread we discussed his offensive name before.

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=10517.msg275811#msg275811
I said in that thread that if you google 'nek in urdu' you will find that it means virtuous in urdu.

Quote from: Sahasrara on June 18, 2010, 10:04 AM
Although I would have banned Zakir Naik not for his views, but for having an offensive name.

Are you serious??

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Reply #16 - June 18, 2010, 01:46 PM

The UK is getting very police state like in the way it is banning various people from the country. It seems to have started with Geert Wilders. I wonder if it was their intention at the time to go this far, or do they have to go this far now (banning anyone controversial) in the interests of seeming "even handed".
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Reply #17 - June 18, 2010, 02:04 PM

Quote from: ateapotist
I said in that thread that if you google 'nek in urdu' you will find that it means virtuous in urdu.

That's what I thought. But then I have seen his name transliterated as Nayik as well. Does anyone know how it is written in Urdu?
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Reply #18 - June 18, 2010, 02:19 PM

Naik (نائیک) (Na-ick) reminds me of the old Bollywood song 'Khalnaik' which means 'Villain' and Naik supposedly means 'Hero'.

Not exactly sure though.

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Reply #19 - June 18, 2010, 02:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqaxE91qraY

Now imagine if this song is used for Zakir Naik's music video.

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Reply #20 - June 18, 2010, 02:49 PM

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.You can't accuse them of being inconsistent,though.If you feel banning this guy is wrong,then banning Geert Wilders too was wrong. The whole problem with censorship is that there are too many gray areas to be reckoned with before you can make a honest judgment.In this case it would have been a lot better if he had been given an opportunity to speak so that his stupidity could be exposed to a much wider audience,during the question-answer sessions.Now it will be seen by his followers as an attempt to conceal the 'truth'

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Reply #21 - June 18, 2010, 03:18 PM

I guess this clever fucker was not clever enough *tish*
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Reply #22 - June 18, 2010, 03:30 PM

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Reply #24 - June 18, 2010, 04:20 PM

Quote from: Q-Man on June 18, 2010, 11:27 AM
Yes it is.

There are laws against speech that incites violence in most countries.
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Reply #25 - June 18, 2010, 04:28 PM

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In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group.

Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

Spewing out nonsense against jews, calling americans terrorists, etc, is all going to incite violence and prejudice against non muslims in the muslim world, hence its not, and shouldn't be protected by freedom of speech.
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Reply #26 - June 18, 2010, 05:17 PM

So he's going back to India?
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Reply #27 - June 18, 2010, 05:18 PM

Honestly I don't really know who's Zakir Naik is, he's not famous here
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Reply #28 - June 18, 2010, 05:20 PM

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Naik in Indonesia mean ride/rise/increase

That's funny, because in Ireland ride means fuck.

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Reply #29 - June 18, 2010, 05:21 PM

This is stupid. They should have allowed him in.

He is a walking advertisement against Islam.
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