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Reply #30 - June 18, 2010, 09:22 AM

Welcome my friend, and enjoy your stay.

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Reply #31 - June 18, 2010, 10:19 AM

Great first post.
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You right better than most hear.

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Reply #32 - June 18, 2010, 11:09 AM

Welcome hafiz! So are you a hafiz of the quran?

Quote from: hafiz on June 18, 2010, 08:11 AM
Hi Hassan ! Thank you... I must say you must consider sending in your story for publication , a translation in Urdu and Arabic will also be awesome... It has a potential to stir up Muslims' hearts and minds...

Hassan, that's a very good idea.
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Reply #33 - June 18, 2010, 11:13 AM

Most religious people in the world urdu speaking...

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Reply #34 - June 18, 2010, 11:29 AM

Hafiz - I thought your English was very good, and given that its your second language, even better

ETA: do you know any ex-muslims in real life?

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Reply #35 - June 18, 2010, 11:48 AM

hi hafiz...bless your heart, I hope you find the courage and ability to maintain peace in your house
until you can get out of there! And also hope your twin believed your "joke" Welcome to CEMB.
You can vent to your heart's content, and meet others who have gone through similar things as you.

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Re: Muslim-no-more
Reply #36 - June 18, 2010, 12:27 PM

Quote from: @li on June 18, 2010, 11:09 AM
Welcome hafiz! So are you a hafiz of the quran?

Yes I am...

Quote from: IsLame on June 18, 2010, 11:29 AM
Hafiz - I thought your English was very good, and given that its your second language, even better

ETA: do you know any ex-muslims in real life?

No , I dont. But I am sure there are many like me who want to come out, but are afraid, of being slaughtered.

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Reply #37 - June 18, 2010, 12:58 PM

Hey Welcome!

Yes you are right there are MANY ex muslims out there who feel trapped. But remember you are not alone

And congratulations on achieving an open mind and being educated about islam. Yea once you look into it especially the hadiths the shit makes your head spin.

Do you have any plans to study abroad ? That would give you lots more freedom to exercise your lack of belief
And why still pray all the time ? Are you being watched to do so all the time ?

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Reply #38 - June 18, 2010, 01:45 PM

Welcome Hafiz!

Just a small question, do you share your computer with someone else? If you do (and even f you don't) I advise to keep clearing your history so no one finds out about you coming here.

I wish you the best of luck!
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Reply #39 - June 18, 2010, 02:52 PM

Welcome .

I must admit, I always thought Muslims in India were more integrated and secular compared to those in other countries. It sucks that you have to go through something like that with your sister.
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Reply #40 - June 18, 2010, 03:09 PM

Quote from: canex on June 18, 2010, 12:58 PM

And why still pray all the time ?

THAT'S AL TAQIYYA IN THE REVERSE!

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And congratulations on achieving an open mind and being educated about islam.

That's the key! A good secular education that kick starts free thinking and inquiry.

A very warm welcome to our board,Hafiz!

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Reply #41 - June 18, 2010, 03:14 PM

Welcome, Hafiz! I'm 18 too and I turned away from Islam not too long ago.

Yeah, Hassan's writing helped me question even more.
Stay safe!
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Reply #42 - June 18, 2010, 03:15 PM

Quote from: IsLame on June 18, 2010, 11:29 AM
Hafiz - I thought your English was very good, and given that its your second language, even better

ETA: do you know any ex-muslims in real life?

It was good!
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Reply #43 - June 18, 2010, 03:55 PM

Welcome hafiz.

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Reply #44 - June 18, 2010, 04:05 PM

Quote from: hafiz on June 18, 2010, 12:27 PM
Yes I am...

So which age did you start memorizing the qur'an and how long did it take you?

This is so cool. An ex Muslim hafiz of the qur'an!
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Reply #45 - June 18, 2010, 04:07 PM

What's the Ummah coming to.

Muhammad must be doing somersaults in his grave.
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Reply #46 - June 18, 2010, 05:27 PM

So where in India are you from?
How are the gulf countries compared to India?
Do you plan on living your entire life there?
Are you cute?
These are just standard questions on joining CEMB anyways....

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Reply #47 - June 18, 2010, 05:33 PM

Quote from: Saathiya on June 18, 2010, 05:27 PM
Are you cute?
These are just standard questions on joining CEMB anyways....
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Reply #48 - June 18, 2010, 06:32 PM

Hi Hafiz, Better the devil you know, as they say. And you've obviously taken the trouble to to become intimate with him.
Welcome to the haven of reason. You seem to have the instinct for it and it's, in my opinion, the most major development of the human mind since consciousness evolved. I look forward to your contributions.
Your English is flawless and I say that as a retired English teacher.

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Reply #49 - June 18, 2010, 08:58 PM

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I found many ahadeeth to be inhumane, unscientific and weird.

yeah that tends to happen when muslims take a good look at their religion. welcome to the forum btw!
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Reply #50 - June 18, 2010, 11:41 PM

Welcome to the forum, Hafiz.
You chose an appropriate username too.

Great first post, by the way.

I hope your situation gets better. I get the feeling your twin sister will subconsciously churn through thoughts of your apostasy, and hopefully, over time, she will question religion herself. You could in the meantime sow very, very subtle seeds of doubt in her mind.

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Reply #51 - June 19, 2010, 01:44 AM

Quote from: Submissive Bob on June 18, 2010, 10:19 AM
Great first post.
Dont worry about the righting.
You right better than most hear.

Yup, i sucond that... Our inglish is not bitter than yuors...

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Reply #52 - June 19, 2010, 07:57 AM

Quote from: canex on June 18, 2010, 12:58 PM
Are you being watched to do so all the time ?

Yes , :(

Quote from: Aurora on June 18, 2010, 01:45 PM
Welcome Hafiz!

Just a small question, do you share your computer with someone else? If you do (and even f you don't) I advise to keep clearing your history so no one finds out about you coming here.

I wish you the best of luck!

yes and I will keep that in mind...Thanks !

Quote from: DARKEYED9 on June 18, 2010, 04:05 PM
So which age did you start memorizing the qur'an and how long did it take you?

This is so cool. An ex Muslim hafiz of the qur'an!

I started at 10 and completed Hifz in about 8 months...

Quote from: Saathiya on June 18, 2010, 05:27 PM
So where in India are you from?
How are the gulf countries compared to India?
Do you plan on living your entire life there?
Are you cute?
These are just standard questions on joining CEMB anyways....

I am from a small backward Muslim majority town in Maharashtra ,
Gulf countries are cool... It may sound strange but you can actually practice your disbelief better in "that country" with more freedom than my hometown in India !!!
I have no plans to spend my life here , once I complete B.E , I will try for job abroad , preferably western countries .
Cute ? I dont think so... I am just an average brown guy with 2 dimpels !

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Reply #53 - June 19, 2010, 08:03 AM

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"Science flies you to the moon , Religion flies you into buildings" .. hafiz

That is a good one hafiz., lol.

But, but ... without science we would have no building and no planes to fly in. So, don't you think that all these problems are due to science ..

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Reply #54 - June 19, 2010, 08:07 AM

Quote from: hafiz on June 19, 2010, 07:57 AM
I have no plans to spend my life here , once I complete B.E , I will try for job abroad , preferably western countries .

Good. As soon as you complete your BE (preferably with good marks) from a good college/university in Mumbai that you can afford try sticking there for a year or two for work. Then as soon as you get enough money apply for Masters abroad (UK, USA, Canada, Australia) and get that done as well so you can qualify for a work permit.

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Reply #55 - June 19, 2010, 08:49 AM

Quote from: hafiz on June 19, 2010, 07:57 AM
I started at 10 and completed Hifz in about 8 months...

I find that incredible - thats almost learning a whole book (of the 30 books in the Quran) of by heart every week, and thats in a foreign language.

Were there any special techniques. Do you regret that time lost becoming a hafiz, and do you think it helped you develop a better memory etc. How much of it do you remember now?

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Reply #56 - June 19, 2010, 09:05 AM

Quote from: hafiz on June 19, 2010, 07:57 AM
I started at 10 and completed Hifz in about 8 months...

Yeah, that's impressive.

Quote from: IsLame on June 19, 2010, 08:49 AM
I find that incredible - thats almost learning a whole book (of the 30 books in the Quran) of by heart every week, and thats in a foreign language.

Children can memorise anything parrot fashion.

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Do you regret that time lost becoming a hafiz

I know the question is aimed at Hafiz, but for me, as an ex-Muslim now, I find it useful to be able to quote the verse from memory immediately, when debating and I need evidence from the Quran.

I only memorised about a tenth of the Quran, but what I treasure much more, is the fact that I can understand basic arabic.

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Reply #57 - June 19, 2010, 09:59 AM

Quote from: ateapotist on June 19, 2010, 09:05 AM
Children can memorise anything parrot fashion.

Not sure. I am probably better at it now than before because I have learned how to do it. The only difference is that they are more obedient and dont have a choice I think.

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Reply #58 - June 19, 2010, 10:12 AM

I find it incredible how quickly children can learn a new language, whereas adults...

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Reply #59 - June 19, 2010, 10:30 AM

I dunno. I think I could learn a new language just as well now, than I ever did (if not better). We develop skills as we get older, but like I said earlier, we are not compelled to behave like sheep when we are older and we have a choice.

The only additional thing that makes it harder I suppose is that we have more noise and better things to do.

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