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  • dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     OP - May 30, 2010, 05:01 AM

    Maldivian renounces Islam, gets attacked by Zakir Naik audience

    http://www.haveeru.com.mv/english/details/30855

    Mohamed Nazim (left/standing), who declared his atheist status to the public, questions Dr Zakir Naik during the Q&A session.

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    MALE, May 29, 2010 (HNS) – A Maldivian man was assaulted Friday evening, after he declared his atheist status to the public during the Q&A session of a lecture given by visiting Indian scholar Dr Zakir Naik.

    Mohamed Nazim, 37, said although he was born to a practicing Muslim family and his parents taught him Islam, he was “struggling to believe in religions,” and asked Naik about his “verdict in Islam.”
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    “Dr Zakir Naik. I am a Maldivian. I am still struggling to believe in religion. That is why I just came to the front of this row. I was born a Maldivian. My parents taught me the religion of Islam. They are good practitioners, actually. I read a lot of books. I have read the translation of Quran. Yet, I still do not believe in a religion. So what do you say, [about] my verdict in Islam? Because Maldives is definitely a Muslim state,” Nazim asked.


    When the moderator asked to repeat the question, he said, “My question is I am a Maldivian. I do not believe in religion. What do you think my verdict would be, since Maldives is 100 percent Muslim, as many claim? But I do not believe so.”

    Nazim’s question sparked comments of hatred from an angry crowd of around 11,000 with many calling to kill him and attack him, while Naik was answering the question.

    Several people rushed towards Nazim, who was sitting at a back row after moving away from the microphone, as an official of the Islamic Ministry tried to escort him out. Police, however, came between Nazim and the crowd and escorted him into custody.
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    “I held his hand and escorted him away from the ground, when people came towards him. When a person came jumping at him, I held him by the waist. At that moment, I lost the grip. Police intervened and took him into custody,” the official said.

    A Police media official said Nazim received several minor injuries. He is in custody at an undisclosed location, the official added Saturday afternoon.


    When Police took Nazim to the second block of nearby police building Iskandharu Koshi, the crowd gathered outside the place and demanded his handover. They shouted anti-atheism slogans and called for Nazim’s beheading.


    The constitution stipulates Maldives citizens must be Muslims.

    Responding to Nazim’s question, Naik said Nazim should ask the government about his status, as he was claiming that he was a non-Muslim, despite the government telling Naik that Maldives is a 100 percent Muslims country. When Naik asked Nazim “are you a Muslim?” he replied “I am not.”

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    When Nazim asked “Does the [penalty] of apostasy come on me?” and “Do you think I was a Muslim because I was born to Muslim parents?” Naik said that according to Prophetic traditions, every child is born as a Muslim and that a Muslim is one who submits his/her will to God. In Islam, death penalty should not necessarily be evoked on every person who leaves Islam, but to those who propagate the non-Islamic faith and speak against Islam, he added.


    Naik stressed that Nazim was “deviated from Islam” by reading the “wrong books.” He requested Nazim to read the correct books on Islam and translation of Quran and said that by the grace of God, he will come back to the right path.

    When Naik asked about the part of the Quran, which Nazim did not agree with, he challenged the scholar saying “first of all I have to find a reason to read the Quran to believe in a religion.” He also said he has to study all the religions to find out which is the best religion for him.

    Naik said in response, “if you want to eat food, you want to taste all the food, and then you will say which is the best food to have.” However, when Nazim said “no,” Naik declared, “you are an illogical man.”

    “The problem with you is that you are extra-smart. Being smart is good, [but] being extra-smart is not good. So that means you are changing your logic. If you have particular fixed principles, you should always be the same. Why do [you] change your principle for food and you are changing your principle for religion? Why you are changing? So you are saying that you require a reason to read [Quran],” Naik said.

    When Naik finished answering Nazim’s question by saying, “Hope I answered your question,” Nazim said that Naik did not answer his question.

    Naik, however, came back to the microphone and advised the audience to be patient and to maintain Islamic principles, when the crowd began to shout angry comments at Nazim. State Minister of Islamic Affairs Sheikh Mohamed Shaheem Ali Saeed also advised the audience to be patient.

     ..11000 crowd says ...kill him.. attack him, ...

    In Islam, death penalty should not necessarily be evoked on every person who leaves Islam, but to those who propagate the non-Islamic faith and speak against Islam, he added

    yes.. Islam is peaceful religion.. Muslims are peaceful in heaven ..


    Now i am worried about Mohamed Nazim., Maldives is such a small country, it is impossible to hide any where.. Please spread the word..

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #1 - May 30, 2010, 05:06 AM

    I thought Maldives was a lot saner than this!  Huh?

    Pakistan Zindabad? ya Pakistan sey Zinda bhaag?

    Long Live Pakistan? Or run with your lives from Pakistan?
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #2 - May 30, 2010, 05:16 AM

    I thought Maldives was a lot saner than this!  Huh?


    you got to be kidding., they are our... our brothers from Indian subcontinent(80% of them).. we need to  rise the ocean another 10 feet by meting glaciers, then they will understand what Islam does to their brains...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReVT0QTzTzc

    The question that should be posed to Zakir Joker is from his tube that you see above. Did he change his mind about Osama bin laden?? Does he think his Osama brother is an Islamic terrorist or not??

    IN FACT HE SHOULD BE SHOWN THAT VIDEO in public to answer the question.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #3 - May 30, 2010, 06:26 AM

    OFF TOPIC:

    yezvee, I have to say that I really love your avatar! Don't you ever dare change it! It's so... It's so you!

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #4 - May 30, 2010, 06:42 AM

    hmm The tubes are out..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sN3u_SLZ9E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGQoDFre5nk

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #5 - May 30, 2010, 06:52 AM

    Well I watched those tubes..., Crowd is not bad., i say that link is bad... unless it happened later..

    Hmm..    http://www.haveeru.com.mv/english/  that is a major news paper..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #6 - May 30, 2010, 07:48 AM

    News from that WATER LAND  Maldives  says

    http://minivannews.com/politics/adhaalath-slams-haveeru-for-publishing-alcohol-ad-7459
    Adhaalath slams Haveeru for publishing alcohol ad

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    The Adhaalath Party has attacked daily newspaper Haveeru for publishing an apparent advertisement for alcohol in its May 19 edition, calling on “concerned authorities” to investigate the matter.

    The party claimed this act of Haveeru news violated article 27 of the Constitution, guaranteeing freedom of expression “subject to the tenets of Islam.”

    ” The ad consists of a label of a certain brand of whiskey and had no name or contact number associated with it,” the  Adhaalath Party said on its English-language website.

    The party claimed it was “surprised and shocked” that as the Maldives is a 100 percent Muslim nation, such an act should not happen  ”since all the ads published in the local newspapers are screened for conformity with the laws and regulations of the country.”

    The party said the issue was “very serious” and warned it could “disrupt the peace and harmony of the country.”

    Editor of Haveeru Moosa Latheef said the newspaper did not advertise alcohol.

    ”It was a notice sent to us by a whiskey-producing company,” Latheef said. ”The notice was to inform people that the usage of their brand name fraudulent and unauthorised.”

    Latheef said that the newspaper had mistakenly failed to include the written notice and published only the whiskey picture.

    ”Yesterday we wrote that we missed the notice and it was a mistake,” Latheef said. ”We will not promote alcohol in the country.”

     that is how they start and then they graduate to become hate preachers for the sake of politics in the name opf Islam

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #7 - May 30, 2010, 09:25 AM

    "We have freedom of speech, but it is limited"

    Yeah, just like people in prison have freedom, but it is limited Smiley

    I don't come here any more due to unfair moderation.
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=30785
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #8 - May 30, 2010, 10:48 AM


    This tells you all you need to know about Naik and his followers.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #9 - May 30, 2010, 11:01 AM

    Naik = fucker (in Arabic)

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #10 - May 30, 2010, 12:15 PM

    Naik = fucker (in Arabic)

    Heard that one. I guess that's why he never tours the Arabic countries? Cheesy

    I can't imagine a scholar with the name "Yusuf Siken" getting very popular in Turkey. Cheesy

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #11 - May 30, 2010, 12:24 PM

    Naik = fucker (in Arabic)

    what does zakir mean?  And why would he have a surname like that, it must mean something else too

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #12 - May 30, 2010, 12:56 PM

    Zakir?

    First of all, why do Pakistanis change 'th' (in Arabic) to 'z'?

    For example, "Allah Hafiz" really is: "All Al-Hafith".

    Anyway, if Zakir is actually an Urdu rendering of Thakir, then it might be related to reading/reciting, something like that.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #13 - May 30, 2010, 01:05 PM

    First of all, why do Pakistanis change 'th' (in Arabic) to 'z'?

    Good question. 

    I have no answer  grin12

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #14 - May 30, 2010, 01:28 PM

    Zakir?

    First of all, why do Pakistanis change 'th' (in Arabic) to 'z'?

    For example, "Allah Hafiz" really is: "All Al-Hafith".

    Anyway, if Zakir is actually an Urdu rendering of Thakir, then it might be related to reading/reciting, something like that.


    I thought it meant one who remembers Allah?
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #15 - May 30, 2010, 01:35 PM

    yeah it could possibly refer to that too.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #16 - May 30, 2010, 01:36 PM

     dance
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #17 - May 30, 2010, 01:40 PM

    And why would he have a surname like that, it must mean something else too

    I looked up 'nek in urdu' and found that it means good/virtuous/lucky.
    See this link for reference.


    First of all, why do Pakistanis change 'th' (in Arabic) to 'z'?

    For example, "Allah Hafiz" really is: "All Al-Hafith".

    I believe Egyptians do that too.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #18 - May 30, 2010, 08:32 PM

    Naik = fucker (in Arabic)


    LOL.... I mentioned that some time ago... I can not mention his name infront of my parents as it is very vulgar indeed. Cheesy

    ...
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #19 - May 30, 2010, 09:26 PM

     Cheesy Cheesy

    So does this Naik guy really avoid native Arabic audiences? grin12

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #20 - June 01, 2010, 01:31 PM

    Looks like our guy has reverted back to Islam:

    http://www.haveeru.com.mv/english/details/30901/BREAKING:_Nazim_reverts_to_Islam

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #21 - June 01, 2010, 01:36 PM

    Islam was not only spread by the sword, it was also sustained  by the sword.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #22 - June 01, 2010, 01:42 PM

    oh well, I do think he doesn't believe in Islam, but the reason he went public about it is probably because he wanted an asylum.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #23 - June 01, 2010, 01:54 PM

    Or maybe he wanted to take a stand against what he believed was wrong, and doing it publicly was a very effective way of doing so.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #24 - June 01, 2010, 02:02 PM

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    Or maybe he wanted to take a stand against what he believed was wrong, and doing it publicly was a very effective way of doing so.


    that would make sense if he were a celebrity... but given that he probably was nobody, like the rest of us, how would his opinions being made known publically, would sway the masses? I think it's more of an asylum issue.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #25 - June 01, 2010, 02:10 PM

    It's first and foremost an "Islam is intolerant" issue.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #26 - June 01, 2010, 02:12 PM

    that would make sense if he were a celebrity... but given that he probably was nobody, like the rest of us, how would his opinions being made known publically, would sway the masses? I think it's more of an asylum issue.

    Muslims like to think there are no apostates and anyone online who claims to be an apostate is a fake.  Therefore, seeing an apostate face-to-face openly and bravely renouncing Islam is just too much to bear.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #27 - June 01, 2010, 02:13 PM

    I didn't know Muslims were that delusional.

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  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #28 - June 01, 2010, 02:14 PM

    Dawahworks is. Youtube him.
  • Re: dear Mohamed Nazim, Don't attack Zakir Joker in Public..
     Reply #29 - June 01, 2010, 02:31 PM

    I didn't know Muslims were that delusional.

    Read through the YouTube comments by Muslims to videos by IsLame, Hassan, nessrriinn, cwar068, ExMuslimAli etc.

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