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  • hey
     OP - May 24, 2010, 03:22 PM
    hi everyone,

    i am not an ex-muslim but an atheist sufficiently concerned about islam to snoop in here Smiley

    from india btw. anyone else?
  • Re: hey
     Reply #1 - May 24, 2010, 03:28 PM
    Hi there! What a strange username  Wink

    Welcome to the forum. Indian here too Smiley
  • Re: hey
     Reply #2 - May 24, 2010, 03:30 PM
    Welcome to the forum, hugs
    from an indian living in the UK.
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #3 - May 24, 2010, 03:35 PM
    Yeah, i would expect plenty of indians, just by statistical chance. There are more of us than us and europe combined Cheesy
  • Re: hey
     Reply #4 - May 24, 2010, 03:37 PM
    Hi there & welcome! Descendant from the region too, live in the UK. I love chicken 65's.
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #5 - May 24, 2010, 03:37 PM
    We are taking over the world - one pani puri stall at a time  cool2
  • Re: hey
     Reply #6 - May 24, 2010, 03:41 PM
    i am guessing personal identities would be a big deal here right. on other fora, its probably easier to give away personal info without worrying about repurcussions Smiley
  • Re: hey
     Reply #7 - May 24, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Yeah some of the members here would have to be careful, but there are others that don't really have to worry too much.
  • Re: hey
     Reply #8 - May 24, 2010, 03:55 PM
    I'll sell my personal info to anyone who wants it.






    And welcome Smiley
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #9 - May 24, 2010, 03:57 PM
    Cheesy I thought you were an angel Ephemeral.  Cheesy
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #10 - May 24, 2010, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on May 24, 2010, 03:22 PM
    hi everyone,

    i am not an ex-muslim but an atheist sufficiently concerned about islam to snoop in here Smiley

    from india btw. anyone else?

    Yep, we had one join just yesteday but there are few others too
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #11 - May 24, 2010, 04:01 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on May 24, 2010, 03:22 PM
    hi everyone,

    i am not an ex-muslim but an atheist sufficiently concerned about islam to snoop in here Smiley

    from india btw. anyone else?

    So tell us how you found us? YouTube? facebook?
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #12 - May 24, 2010, 04:05 PM
    i came to know about CEMB on youtube. but i don't exactly remember how i got linked to this forum. i was googling around and i hit ffi first. then hit a link here somehow.
  • Re: hey
     Reply #13 - May 24, 2010, 04:21 PM
    so anyone want to hazard a guess at the number of private renouncers of islam (local or global guesses)
  • Re: hey
     Reply #14 - May 24, 2010, 04:22 PM
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    30 000 cool2

    Just because.
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #15 - May 24, 2010, 05:37 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on May 24, 2010, 04:21 PM
    so anyone want to hazard a guess at the number of private renouncers of islam (local or global guesses)

    1-2% ?
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #16 - May 24, 2010, 05:42 PM
    Really IsLame.  Very interesting.  The number of nominal/non-practising Muslims is quite high though.  I'm sure over time they will find the courage to kick religion entirely. Wink
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #17 - May 24, 2010, 05:51 PM
    I am just guessing, but I agree its interesting to see what people think. 

    Can everyone who reads this post (YES, THAT MEANS YOU  banana dance), stick your finger in the air and give your guess of the % of Muslims who privately realise Islam is hogwash.

    Then we might be able to take an average and get a better idea with the average guess lol.
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #18 - May 24, 2010, 05:58 PM
    Here is my guess about Baghdad's Muslims (excluding Christians, Sabaens...etc):

    Atheists/agnostics: 5%
    Non-practising Muslims (nominal/cultural): 35%
    Practising Muslims: 60%


    Iraq as a whole:

    Atheists/agnostics: 2%
    Non-practising Muslims (nominal/cultural): 23%
    Practising Muslims: 75%



    Oh and welcome to the forum s12345 !
  • Re: hey
     Reply #19 - May 24, 2010, 06:13 PM
    I just want to clarify that by non-practising I meant Muslims who believe in Allah and Mohammed but live secular lives. They might fast every other Ramadan or pray intermittently but their way of life and ideology is not shaped by religion.
    They would drink, get into romantic relationships, don't wear hijab, wear tight jeans and sleeveless shirts, have pre-marital sex.....etc (one or any combination of the above).

    Practicing Muslims can still do any of those activities and might skip prayers or Ramadans but Islam is still a integral part of their lives.
  • Re: hey
     Reply #20 - May 24, 2010, 06:50 PM
    thanks for the welcome iraqi atheist. do you think the % of non practicing people will go up in a generation significantly? another interesting question might be how many of the non practicing ones are effectively atheistic and won't respond emotionally to political ideas rooted in islam ( like the iranian revolution or islam based party manifestoes e.g.)
  • Re: hey
     Reply #21 - May 24, 2010, 07:16 PM
    Quote from: s12345 on May 24, 2010, 06:50 PM
    do you think the % of non practicing people will go up in a generation significantly?

    Not significantly but in the long run yes. But there will be a gap b/t males and females in my opinion. Women are socially oppressed and shackled by societal expectations. They are more forced to stick to norms than men are.


    Quote from: s12345 on May 24, 2010, 06:50 PM
    another interesting question might be how many of the non practicing ones are effectively atheistic and won't respond emotionally to political ideas rooted in islam ( like the iranian revolution or islam based party manifestoes e.g.)

    I'm not sure I entirely understand your question. If you're asking whether they are not politically religious and Islam doesn't shape their ideology, then yes I would say most of them don't care that much about religion in that sense.
    If you're asking whether they are practically atheist, no they still believe in a personal intervening god and believe in the after-life.
  • Re: hey
     Reply #22 - May 24, 2010, 07:24 PM
    I agree with Iraqi Atheist.  I would add that, when I was a Muslim, I was uncomfortable with Sharia law, because it seemed barbaric, but I still believed Islam was the true religion.  I was also uncomfortable with the intolerant dogma against Jews and other disbelievers.
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  • Re: hey
     Reply #23 - May 24, 2010, 07:27 PM
    I was comfortble with multiple marriages, but punishment for Hindus and treatment of Jews began the corrosion for me too.
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