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 Topic: Is God described as Omnipotent in Quran?

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  • Is God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     OP - May 16, 2010, 02:39 AM

    A common view is that God is described as omnipotent in the Quran. I was wondering if this is actually true? I am aware that God is described as 'all-knowing' and 'all-wise' and there are also verses which say He is able to 'do whatever He wills' - but I'm not sure this is meant in the context that He is omnipotent. There are many verses in fact which would suggest that God is not omnipotent - for example it took God a few days to create the universe.

    Does the Quran really describe God as omnipotent? I'd be especially interested in getting the opinions of those who understand the Arabic Quran.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #1 - May 16, 2010, 05:03 AM

    Of course Allah is omnipotent. It he described that he hears all, sees all, and knows what is in everyones hearts. He knows the outcome of the "test" so that sounds like he is omnipotent.

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  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #2 - May 16, 2010, 06:55 AM

    omnipotent

    /omnippt’nt/

      • adjective having unlimited or very great power.

      — DERIVATIVES omnipotence noun.

      — ORIGIN Latin omnipotens.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #3 - May 16, 2010, 06:57 AM

    "Say ‘Nothing will happen to us but what God has ordained for us; God is our protector.’"

    "And God leaves people astray at will, and guides anyone at will"

    "No calamity occurs on earth, or to yourselves, but is in a decree before We created it. That is easy for God"
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #4 - May 16, 2010, 06:58 AM

    "Did you not know that God has ultimate power over all things?"

    "And God is capable of all things"

    "God is most forgiving, most powerful"

    "God is not to be thwarted by anything in the heaven or on earth, for God is omniscient, all-powerful"
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #5 - May 16, 2010, 06:59 AM

    The Mighty (Al Aziz)

    The Subduer (Al Quhhar)

    The Great One (Al Azim)

    The Most Great (Al Kabir)

    The Most Strong (Al Qawi)

    The Powerful (Al Muqtadir)
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #6 - May 16, 2010, 07:03 AM

    A common view is that God is described as omnipotent in the Quran. I was wondering if this is actually true? I am aware that God is described as 'all-knowing' and 'all-wise' and there are also verses which say He is able to 'do whatever He wills' - but I'm not sure this is meant in the context that He is omnipotent. There are many verses in fact which would suggest that God is not omnipotent - for example it took God a few days to create the universe.

    Does the Quran really describe God as omnipotent? I'd be especially interested in getting the opinions of those who understand the Arabic Quran.


    How does that negate his omnipotence?   wacko

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #7 - May 16, 2010, 07:06 AM


        Do they not see that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and was not wearied by their creation, is Able to give life to the dead? Yes, He surely is Able to do all things. S. 46:33

        All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifieth Allah; and He is the Mighty, the Wise. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth; He quickeneth and He giveth death; and He is Able to do all things. He is the First and the Last, and the Outward and the Inward; and He is Knower of all things. He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days; then He mounted the Throne. He knoweth all that entereth the earth and all that emergeth therefrom and all that cometh down from the sky and all that ascendeth therein; and He is with you wheresoever ye may be. And Allah is Seer of what ye do. His is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and unto Allah (all) things are brought back. S. 57:1-5 Pickthall

        Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth glorifies Allah. His is the dominion, and to Him belong all the praises and thanks, and He is Able to do all things. He it is Who created you, then some of you are disbelievers and some of you are believers. And Allah is All-Seer of what you do. He has created the heavens and the earth with truth, and He shaped you and made good your shapes, and to Him is the final Return. He knows what is in the heavens and on earth, and He knows what you conceal and what you reveal. And Allah is the All-Knower of what is in the breasts (of men). S. 64:1-4 Hilali-Khan

        It is Allah Who has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof (i.e. seven). His Command descends between them (heavens and earth), that you may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah surrounds (comprehends) all things in (His) Knowledge. S. 65:12 Hilali-Khan

        Blessed is He in Whose hand is the Sovereignty, and, He is Able to do all things. Who hath created life and death that He may try you which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving, Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any rifts? Then look again and yet again, thy sight will return unto thee weakened and made dim. And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame. S. 67:1-5 Pickthall
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #8 - May 16, 2010, 07:08 AM

    Allah is so boastful.

    Interesting.

    One of the warning signs for instance, for women on the look out that their potential new partner is an abusive assahole, is how boastful they are.  So laides, Allah is just going to beat you black and blue, because giving yourself over to him just ensures you end up in hell.  Afro

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #9 - May 16, 2010, 07:09 AM

    How does that negate his omnipotence?   wacko


    Because if He was All Knowing and All Powerful he could have created the universe in a snap (literally instantaneously). He even says Be so Be in the Quran.

    An answer to Abu Yunus. It's called a contradiction Smiley Like my grandpa used to say when he lifted a mule-cart to prove his physical prowess. "Simple easy azizi".
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #10 - May 16, 2010, 07:10 AM

    Allah is so boastful.

    Interesting.

    One of the warning signs for instance, for women on the look out that their potential new partner is an abusive assahole, is how boastful they are.  So laides, Allah is just going to beat you black and blue, because giving yourself over to him just ensures you end up in hell.  Afro


    Hey that sounds fascinating, what other signs are there? I wanna be sure I don't fall for the wrong girl.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #11 - May 16, 2010, 07:28 AM

    Hey that sounds fascinating, what other signs are there? I wanna be sure I don't fall for the wrong girl.



     Cheesy  Great article called Romeo's bleeding  (although reading each part for me meant continuous googling of each part   wacko ), I don't know if it would work applying it to women, since women can be abusive and controlling too.  Thinking hard

    Because if He was All Knowing and All Powerful he could have created the universe in a snap (literally instantaneously). He even says Be so Be in the Quran.

    An answer to Abu Yunus. It's called a contradiction Smiley Like my grandpa used to say when he lifted a mule-cart to prove his physical prowess. "Simple easy azizi".


    Just because he could do it, doesn't mean he felt like doing it that way.  You can be omnipotent without going OTT all the time.

    Maybe he felt like setting it to a schedule?  maybe he just got distracted because he's disorganised?  being omnipotent just means being able to do everything, however and whenever you want, with no limitations.  It doesn't mean it has to be limited to what non omnipotent people insist upon.  Ie, that he should have snapped his fingers lol maybe he didn't want to snap his fingers?   Tongue

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #12 - May 16, 2010, 07:28 AM

    @ Abu,

    Your example of God creating the Earth in 6 days (periods) is NOT valid... God *could* have created the Earth spontaneously, but He *chose* to create it this way.. God *could* do everything He wants by merely uttering words, yet He *chose* to have angels as His servants...

    In the Quran, however, there are verses that *imply* God is NOT all-knowing, or all-powerful. But numerous many verses *explicitly* say that God is all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. (more on that in a later post).

    In fact, many verses *explicitly* say that God has control over ABSOLUTELY everything, including our very own faith! God, in the Quran, even counts our submission to Him, as a blessing bestowed upon us by Him. God also, *threatens* us with sealing our hearts so that we may never believe, if we transgress the limits.

    I know this all sounds contradicting to the concept of free will (or the ability to choose), but the fact is, in the *absolute* sense, free-will does NOT exist according to the Quran... that's because in the absolute sense, GOD's will rules supreme over anything and everything... *relatively* speaking, however, we do have the ability to choose. I know this still sounds contradictory and confusing, but such is the consequence of discussing the infiniteness of God. (although, those who are comfortable with the mathematical notion of infinity, shouldn't find that very hard to understand... for example 1 is not equal to zero, yet compared to infinity, 1 is as good as zero.. similarly, we do indeed have the ability to choose, yet with respect to the fact that God's will presides over absolutely everything, our will is as good as nil). The following two verses summarize the Quranic view of free-will:

    76:29
    This is a reminder, thus if a man so pleases, he might seek a way to the Lord.

    76:30
    Yet you cannot will, except by God's will. God is Knowing, Wise.



    The Quran gives a very unique definition for the word GOD: The ever-living Supreme Being who is beyond any needs, beyond any limits, and holds the keys of power over absolutely everything... this means that a being, no matter how powerful, who is limited in any way, is NOT God.

    PS. I have bookmarked this page, to check it later, in a few days, as I'm quite busy at the moment.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #13 - May 16, 2010, 07:31 AM


     Cheesy  Great article called Romeo's bleeding  (although reading each part for me meant continuous googling of each part   wacko ), I don't know if it would work applying it to women, since women can be abusive and controlling too.  Thinking hard

    Just because he could do it, doesn't mean he felt like doing it that way.  You can be omnipotent without going OTT all the time.

    Maybe he felt like setting it to a schedule?  maybe he just got distracted because he's disorganised?  being omnipotent just means being able to do everything, however and whenever you want, with no limitations.  It doesn't mean it has to be limited to what non omnipotent people insist upon.  Ie, that he should have snapped his fingers lol maybe he didn't want to snap his fingers?   Tongue


    No I suppose. It would just have been much more impressive I guess. But then God doesn't work that way does he. He doesn't need to impress us right? That's why he would never resort to miracles! hehe

    It would have been cool to investigate and find out the universe has been here for about 25 minutes.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #14 - May 16, 2010, 07:54 AM

    The 6 day thingy, in my HO, was because they then did not know about the big bang. If they knew, they would have said "And God/Allah created the earth in a Booooom"! Wouldn't they? I bet they would.

    ...
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #15 - May 16, 2010, 08:19 AM

    Now a muslim would say god did in fact create the world in 6 days and this fact has been known but corrupted

    This is how it is, according to history.

    Sumerian creationism story, world created in 6 days, 7th day to adjourn with other gods and decide on man's fate.

    Judaic creationism story, world created in 6 days, God rested on 7th. Sabbath created for this reason, to emulate God's action and thus be close to Him.

    Islam, world created in 6 days (not sure if say periods is apologetic). Fuck knows what happens on the 7th day? Does Islam have an answer for that?

    The question is, if the fact is corrupted, then why 6 days? Why not 7 or 3 or whatever the fuck? 1? Basically you have to say well that's how Allah wanted it to be and then say well people and or shaytan have corrupted history (without positive proof of this fact, say manuscripts that state otherwise).
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #16 - May 16, 2010, 05:59 PM

    @ Abu,

    Your example of God creating the Earth in 6 days (periods) is NOT valid... God *could* have created the Earth spontaneously, but He *chose* to create it this way.. God *could* do everything He wants by merely uttering words, yet He *chose* to have angels as His servants...


    Why would God choose to do anything, what would cause a desire to manifest itself in a needless being, one who cannot be affected by anything?

    Quote
    In the Quran, however, there are verses that *imply* God is NOT all-knowing, or all-powerful. But numerous many verses *explicitly* say that God is all-knowing, all-powerful, etc. (more on that in a later post).

    In fact, many verses *explicitly* say that God has control over ABSOLUTELY everything, including our very own faith! God, in the Quran, even counts our submission to Him, as a blessing bestowed upon us by Him. God also, *threatens* us with sealing our hearts so that we may never believe, if we transgress the limits.


    Funny that, God decides to seal people's hearts but is them that is going to be punished for it.

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    I know this all sounds contradicting to the concept of free will (or the ability to choose), but the fact is, in the *absolute* sense, free-will does NOT exist according to the Quran... that's because in the absolute sense, GOD's will rules supreme over anything and everything... *relatively* speaking, however, we do have the ability to choose.


    That you think you 'have the ability to choose' is just an illusion.

    And free will, "in the absolute sense", is an absurd concept. How you can combine the concepts of 'free' and 'will', I cannot fathom.

    Quote
    I know this still sounds contradictory and confusing, but such is the consequence of discussing the infiniteness of God.


    That's known as a cop-out.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #17 - May 16, 2010, 06:07 PM

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    Why would God choose to do anything, what would cause a desire to manifest itself in a needless being, one who cannot be affected by anything?

    Translate.

    Quote
    Choice is just an illusion.

    obviously you either didn't read what I wrote or didn't understand it.

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    That's known as a cop-out.

    I guess you have realized by now, I don't care for smart-ass comments like this.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #18 - May 16, 2010, 06:14 PM

    Translate.


    You have this being that cannot be affected by anything, that has no needs, and then you say that he chose to do X, Y and Z. I'm asking how could that be, what would cause him to desire to do XYZ? 

    Quote
    obviously you either didn't read what I wrote or didn't understand it.


    Explain then, what you meant by "relatively speaking we have the ability to choose"?

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    I guess you have realized by now, I don't care for smart-ass comments like this.


    It's not a smart-arse comment. What you've basically said is "it doesn't make sense, but it doesn't have to."
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #19 - May 16, 2010, 06:16 PM

    oh Prince... obviously you're not following the conversation between me and AbuYunus... anyway, my post was addressed specifically to the OP.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #20 - May 16, 2010, 06:21 PM

    No I followed it, the questions still stand. If you ever come up with an answer, let me know.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #21 - May 16, 2010, 06:29 PM

    here's my response right now: no, I have no answer other than what I have already posted.

    A googolplex is *precisely* as far from infinity as is the number 1.--Carl Sagan
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #22 - May 16, 2010, 11:14 PM

    From my understanding of Islam, Allah is supposedly omnipotent.  He created the universe from scratch and all the laws around it.  Now if he is not omnipotent you are left with the assumption that he created everything, and then these laws went beyond his control akin to Frankesteins monster lol.

    This leads us to assume he is no longer in full control, and their are somethings that are above his power, he is no longer all powerful but somethings are more powerful than him.

    This is something that the Quran does not mention, moreso a statement that the Quran goes at great lengths to contradict, ergo back to my first statement, Allah is omnipotent.

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  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #23 - May 16, 2010, 11:18 PM

    Besides if God is not omnipotent there has to be a reason for it. Is he constrained by physical laws? Did he not create physical laws? Then how is he governed by his own laws? It's basically like God creating a prison, throwing himself in, and then throwing away the key.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #24 - May 16, 2010, 11:34 PM

    Why would God choose to do anything, what would cause a desire to manifest itself in a needless being, one who cannot be affected by anything?

    And free will, "in the absolute sense", is an absurd concept. How you can combine the concepts of 'free' and 'will', I cannot fathom.



    Yes.

    This Abrahamic god is itself bound by a kind of determinism. It has its own intrinsic attributes and preferences, over which it had no role in assigning to itself.

    This being simply has the desires, like that to be worshipped, that it has for no reason. Everything this god did and wanted was, essentially, written into its being without any consent or willingness on its part.

    And so, everything that it itself does is the result of a default state of affairs over which this god had no control. It just wants worshipped because it does. It just is capable of anger or jealousy because it is.

    Given this, it itself is bound by determinism, just as humans are. We too have intrinsic predispositions and preferences that we did not choose and that we act in accordance with. This god is the same. Everything it ever did was the direct result of something over which it had no control; its own nature.

    This god has simply acted in accordance with what fate has, by some incredible fluke, given it.

    I would say, therefore, that this god is not the 'greatest conceivable being.' Rather, it's more or less like a human; entirely contingent upon what fate has given it. It has created nothing by itself, it only has what's intrinsic to it, and nothing else, and by no effort on its part.

    Such a god is not, in my estimation, free. I imagine that such a being would inevitably realise the completely trivial and illusory nature of its own desires and sentiments. And realising this, would it not then choose to be free of them, completely superfluous and meaningless as they are?

    Even if the god of Islam/Judaism/Christianity did exist, it would never be able to escape the reality of its own condition. Its existence would forever be one of absolute meaninglessness and illusion, and everything it ever did would already have been decided for it, by an arrangement of metaphysics over which it had no control.

    This god never earned, chose or created anything that it has. It, like man, was and will always be a puppet of fate.
  • Re: In God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #25 - May 17, 2010, 01:07 PM

    Thanks guys, I appreciate all your veiws. The impression I am getting is that God is omnipotent - but that He decides to do things in certain ways (i.e. rather than just say 'Be') - the reasons for which we can only speculate at.

    ''we are morally and philisophically in the best position to win the league'' - Arsene Wenger
  • Re: Is God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #26 - May 17, 2010, 03:51 PM

    Thanks guys, I appreciate all your veiws. The impression I am getting is that God is omnipotent - but that He decides to do things in certain ways (i.e. rather than just say 'Be') - the reasons for which we can only speculate at.

    Yes, provided he doesnt explain it already in the Quran

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  • Re: Is God described as Omnipotent in Quran?
     Reply #27 - May 17, 2010, 03:53 PM

    I guess God thinks we're on a need to know basis.
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