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  • Question: Your position on prostitution is that we should....?
  • Ban it
  • Legalize it but keep procuring (pimping and brothels) illegal
  • Legalize both prostitution and procuring but with no regulation
  • Legalize it and regulate it

 Topic: Prostitution

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  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #30 - April 02, 2010, 03:43 PM

    Prostitution has always been and always will be with us.
    The only thing we can do is to make sure that it's properly regulated.
    Ban will simply push it underground.
    Just look at other examples – war on drugs for example.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #31 - April 04, 2010, 10:13 AM

    I'm a bit surprised by the results. Why is prostitution still illegal then? why the gap b/t public opinion and legislation?
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #32 - April 04, 2010, 10:16 AM

    Because general The Sun reading public has a different opinion on the matter.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #33 - April 04, 2010, 01:15 PM

    I'm a bit surprised by the results. Why is prostitution still illegal then? why the gap b/t public opinion and legislation?

    It isn't. It's actually legal in most places, including the UK. It's just that most practices associated with it are illegal. Bit silly really.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #34 - April 04, 2010, 01:21 PM

    Procuring, pimping, brothels, and prostitution websites are all illegal in the UK.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #35 - April 04, 2010, 01:48 PM

    The act of prostitution itself is legal though, but everything is illegal. Hence why I said it's a bit silly.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #36 - April 04, 2010, 01:49 PM

    That's insane.   wacko

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #37 - April 04, 2010, 01:54 PM

    Off topic posts split and merged with this thread: http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=7252.0

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #38 - April 04, 2010, 08:17 PM

    Legalize & Regulate.


    "Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it." ~ Andre Gide

     sloshed
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #39 - April 07, 2010, 04:28 PM

    I am for legalization with no regulation.

    Consenting adults should be able to do what they want with their bodies and they should be able to give money to whoever they want.

    I meant as it relates to brothels, but otherwise I agree.

    Anyone who doesn't want prostitution should run a dating service for those who are sexually frustrated to find a buddy. That is the only way to slow the existence of prostitution.

    In New York State, Prostitution is both illlegal and commonplace in large cities. It doesn't stop the existence, it pushes them underground and into our state government's bedrooms.

    It is not the way you live your life that is important, it is how well you enjoy it that matters.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #40 - April 07, 2010, 07:15 PM

    Would the same go for porn stars?  Like the ones who talk about how great it is when they are being interviewed? 


    I would really question the truthfulness of *some* of that. Not all, but some.  There is definitely sex positive feminist, queer, art house porn out there, porn by women for men, by women for women, etc.  And there is also a massive porn industry that makes mince meat out of a great many of its performers - many of them women - and we all know it.  I saw a doco on porn a few yrs ago and the woman they focused on (who is, or was, a big name in the industry - though I don't remember it), was saying how she really enjoys it and it's her choice, and all that, and yet she was constantly doing coke, and then meth, and her eyes just looked totally hollow and at one point, filming an anal gang bang scene, she was weeping (you guys know that porn is heavily edited, of course, so that you don't see the tears or the guy losing his hard-on or the sounds of farts and all the other real-life shit that happens, LOL).   

    But it's like knowing junkies who talk about how awesome heroin is and they love it and it's their choice.  That may be true, but there is a context there too. Or we could compare it even to some of us in the past - how we used to talk about how wonderful Islam was, even if we were suffering extreme doubts, confusion, sadness, or even undercover kafirs.   

    There's a difference between a hooker at the Mustang Ranch, for example, and one on the stroll... and then sometimes, there isn't much of a difference at all.  I don't buy into the meme that women who go into prostitution in the few places its legalized are showing how empowered they are and "getting theirs."  Some are, no doubt.  For many of them, their career span, like a stripper's or a porn star's, is very short.  They are also going into this profession against the backdrop of patriarchal cultures, and the advances made by women in the last 40 yrs don't negate that. 

    However, that said, I think it should be legalized - and regulated. For safety reasons, for public health, and because it's always been around and it always will be around and the least we can do as a society is ensure the safety and well being of sex workers.

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #41 - April 07, 2010, 07:17 PM

    Of course, for the benefit of the audience, one has to be really into the sex act to really make it as good as possible.


    LOL those straight girls who do "girl on girl" porn for the benefit of straight men look like they're dying when they have to engage in oral sex with one another. 

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #42 - April 07, 2010, 07:19 PM

    I've always wanted to be a jigolo. Fat chicks need love too, but they gotta pay.


    I know it's your shtick to be provocative and Loki-like, but this is really unnecessary and sort of hateful.

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #43 - April 07, 2010, 07:21 PM

    OMFG

    Do you watch Family Guy?


    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #44 - April 07, 2010, 07:23 PM

    I'm a bit surprised by the results. Why is prostitution still illegal then? why the gap b/t public opinion and legislation?


    Seriously? Answer: the power of the churches over political leaders.  First off, I think a lot of the general public does believe it should be illegal - they just don't post here.  Second of all, can you imagine being the political leader who introduces a bill to decriminalize prostitution (at least in the US)?  They would be all over him - and he can't risk losing his donor and voter base.  He'd be finished.  I think Iceland is a unique case wherein liberalism is so strong the opposite mentality was behind the recent move.  

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #45 - April 07, 2010, 07:25 PM

    OMFG

    Do you watch Family Guy?


    OMFG no, and maybe you should attribute the quote next time instead of assuming everyone watches cartoons, and if posted in a context like this, it would still come off as unnecessary and a bit hateful.  I am so sick of this mentality on this forum about women and "fat chicks." 

    [this space for rent]
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #46 - April 07, 2010, 07:26 PM

    Just for reference:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnl68BmSSes



    I can't believe I need to 'defend' myself over this. I hope we don't turn too politically correct, that would be a tragedy.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #47 - April 07, 2010, 07:27 PM

    OMFG no, and maybe you should attribute the quote next time instead of assuming everyone watches cartoons, and if posted in a context like this, it would still come off as unnecessary and a bit hateful.  I am so sick of this mentality on this forum about women and "fat chicks."  


    OMFG chill the fuck out. Are you always this self-righteous and angry?

    And no, I'm not going change my tone just because you're a moderator now. Fuck that.

    Iblis has mad debaterin' skillz. Best not step up unless you're prepared to recieve da pain.

  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #48 - April 08, 2010, 03:43 PM

    OMFG no, and maybe you should attribute the quote next time instead of assuming everyone watches cartoons, and if posted in a context like this, it would still come off as unnecessary and a bit hateful.  I am so sick of this mentality on this forum about women and "fat chicks." 


    Did you really think the tone of the post was "hateful"? I rarely watch family guy, but it seemed obvious that the post was meant to be humourous. A little insensitive, maybe, but "hateful"? Sorry, don't see it.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #49 - April 08, 2010, 04:40 PM

    whats the difference between prostitution and porn?  Huh?

    I voted "legalize it and regulate it".
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #50 - April 08, 2010, 04:46 PM

    whats the difference between prostitution and porn?  Huh?



    There's more moaning in porn.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #51 - April 08, 2010, 05:12 PM

    Prostitutes aren't criminals, nor are men who pay for sex.

    Sex workers should have the same rights as other workers.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #52 - April 08, 2010, 06:22 PM

    Legalize and regulate it. I think some of the prices women charge are unreasonably high. £500 for 2 hours is completely over the top, and should be considered abuse. 
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #53 - April 08, 2010, 06:39 PM

    Legalize and regulate it. I think some of the prices women charge are unreasonably high. £500 for 2 hours is completely over the top, and should be considered abuse. 

    Ummmm... No.
    It's high, but not abuse. Nobody is forcing you to have sex with an 'expensive' prostitute.

    "In every time and culture there are pressures to conform to the prevailing prejudices. But there are also, in every place and epoch, those who value the truth; who record the evidence faithfully. Future generations are in their debt." -Carl Sagan

  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #54 - April 08, 2010, 06:55 PM

    Ummmm... No.
    It's high, but not abuse. Nobody is forcing you to have sex with an 'expensive' prostitute.


    That post [the one to which yours is addressed] has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read on here.

    "...every imperfection in man is a bond with heaven..." - Karl Marx
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #55 - April 08, 2010, 06:57 PM

    Why? It's her body, she should decide the price for it.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #56 - April 08, 2010, 08:06 PM

    Legalize and regulate it. I think some of the prices women charge are unreasonably high. £500 for 2 hours is completely over the top, and should be considered abuse. 


    Hello King Tut.   Roll Eyes

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #57 - April 08, 2010, 09:40 PM

    These types of bans seem to be ideologically motivated. By removing the exploitation of female sexuality from the labour market (as much as is possible), they may be hoping to force a change in attitudes towards women generally. Laws can be very blunt instruments when dealing with complex social issues, though. In this case, it also clashes with other ideological perspectives that some would argue are feminist, such as giving people the freedom to exploit their bodies as a financial resource liberating them from orthodox moral values pertaining to sex and relationships. For example, a woman who sleeps with many men is usually referred to a whore, whereas a guy who sleeps with a few women is a player or whatever. If a woman (or a man) wants to alter the parameters of expected sexual behaivour for their gender, suddenly everyone has an opinion (which is usually that they should stop being a slut for pursuing a physical relationship with more than one man, or stop being a fag for not wanting to sexually objectify women). Why are people so hung up on (particularly women's) sexual exclusivity, virginity, etc. Perhaps because these were valuable (if not the only) assets a woman had once upon a time, and to squander them would have been reckless and damaging to the prevailing social order.

    If I'm being totally honest even marriage doesn't seem so far from prostitution in some situations. A woman may want to get into a contract (marriage) with a wealthy man in order to ensure a steady financial reward in exchange for her affection. Once framed in the pre-conceived notions we've been conditioned with regarding marriage, it sounds completely reasonable, even desirable: A woman seeks a caring, stable man to settle down with. In reality, as long as he has control of the finances, he has fundamentally more power within the relationship. Laws surrounding marriage and divorce such as splitting the husbands assets are about trying to redress these imbalances of power, giving the financially or physically insecure party (nearly always a woman) the chance to get out of a contract without fear of destitution or mistreatment. Marriage in its traditional form is only more acceptable than prostitution because society and religion have deemed it to be. I wonder if this has been the case historically because long-term arrangements would have been easier to exert influence over, as opposed to quick transactions for immediate fulfillment. I digress... The point is that whilst modern marriage may not involve treating women as chattle, it wasn't always that way, and it's taken time to get to where we are with civil partnerships and all.

    Prostitution isn't going anywhere. I think that the type of legislation mentioned by the OP simply ignores this fact or perhaps foolishly thinks it inconsequential. Moreover, I'm not clear on whether it's even a desirable final outcome that prostitution is not practised at all. Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that many if not most prostitutes wouldn't be in their line of work if they felt they had the choice or if their lives had worked out differently. But if laws are to be enacted then they should aim to negate the suffering of those people. What would help prostitutes? Giving them the opportunity to get out or just helping them realise they have a choice is one way forwards. Another is to ensure they're not excluded from society so they don't feel trapped in what they're doing. Criminalising prostitutes simply doesn't translate into making women's lives better, as far as I can see.

    Each of us a failed state in stark relief against the backdrop of the perfect worlds we seek.
    Propagandhi - Failed States
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #58 - April 08, 2010, 09:52 PM

    I agree with thinkfree.

    -Prostitution has been around for a long time.
    -In ancient Mesopotamia, they used to have temple prostitution. Sex rites were part of the religion. There were priestesses who were designated for providing these services, but they were respected by the larger culture.
    -Commercial prostitution started with the advent of slavery, about 10,000 years ago, along with the "agrarian revolution"
    -Geishas in Japan were traditionally teachers of crafts, art, literature, music etc. and they had sex with their (usually young, male) clients.
    -Prostitutes traditionally had *more* autonomy in terms of education, control of their money, and who they got to hang out with, than other women who were bound to 1 man and were limited in their choices.
    -Violence associated with prostitution is wrong because *violence is wrong*, not because sex itself is something to be ashamed of.
    -People who think sex itself is something to be ashamed of are coming from a Judeo-Christian/Kantian view which denotes sex itself as bad, unhuman, animalistic etc.
    -Almost EVERY OTHER profession requires us to sell our bodies, our minds, our voices. Prostitution is not alone at all in this respect.
    -Traditional heterosexual marriage is based on the same principle: the man gets access to a woman's womb, the woman gets access to a man's wallet. Where in prostitution a man rents a woman's sexual and personal services, in traditional (older-fashioned) marriage, the man buys her outright for life.
    -By keeping prostitution illegal, all the legal pressure and social stigma is thrust upon women, not on the men who can still get prostitutes regardless of legality.
    -Many times, prostitutes are abused by cops in systems where it is an illegal profession, because those cops know they can take advantage of her and she has no legal backing.
    -Most feminists who say they are against prostitution as a whole, disregard the *class issues* that lead poorer women into that profession. Without addressing why that profession is the only option for those women, white, upper-class feminism ends up aligning itself with right-wing, religious approach (i.e. sex is bad).
    -Prostitution needs to be legalized and regulated. That's the way to protect the women who are, usually for class/economic reasons, engaged in that profession. Society/law has no right telling a woman that she has less rights if she sleeps with men for money, than if she goes and cleans public toilets for money.

    "Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused."
  • Re: Prostitution
     Reply #59 - April 08, 2010, 10:23 PM

    Great posts thinkfree and allat  Afro
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