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 Topic: Salafi Burnout

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  • Salafi Burnout
     OP - February 17, 2009, 12:25 PM
    Here's a blog that some of you may find interesting

    http://salafiburnout.wordpress.com/



  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #1 - February 17, 2009, 06:13 PM
    Quote from: speaklow on February 17, 2009, 12:25 PM
    Here's a blog that some of you may find interesting

    http://salafiburnout.wordpress.com/



    I believe my friend Abdul Hakim was the first to use that phrase some years ago.

    Most Salafis will inevitably burnout - unless they are hopeless cases.
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #2 - February 17, 2009, 06:15 PM
    I was told about an Egyptian Salafi he knew who was involved in the riots in Assuit where some Salafis took over a police station and fought with Copts.

    He met him some years later - beard shaved - western clothes - European girl on his arm - sheepishly saying he was planning to go and live in Europe with his girlfriend.
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #3 - February 17, 2009, 06:31 PM
    Actually this post on his blog is the most interesting.

    Life after

    http://salafiburnout.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/life-after-being-in-the-salafi-cult/
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #4 - February 19, 2009, 07:50 PM
    I think he's more bitter than objective. "Salafi cult", get over it. All religions are "cults", it's very hard for social scientists to distinguish cults from religions except that cults are considered harmful to it's adherents. Tongue

    Salafiyyah is a cult just like any orthodoxy. Tongue

    I'm an "ex-salafi", bite me.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #5 - February 20, 2009, 08:01 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on February 17, 2009, 06:13 PM
    Most Salafis will inevitably burnout - unless they are hopeless cases.


    I think the Salafi side of Islam will eventually completely burn out or become radically different from what it is today. Infact, much of Islamic extremism and terrorism are desperate attempts to retain this aspect of the faith. Stoning, amputations,triple talaq and gender apartheid have as little place in today's world as racial apartheid, and barring some unthinkable catastrophe, the eventual complete abolition of these is almost an inevitability. 

    In more and more nations, even Islamic ones, the laws aren't the laws of Islam and things allowed by Islam are prohibited by secular laws, there's American movies, and T.V. shows, Western clothes worn by youngsters and even Japanese anime and Hindi movies in Pakistan, all challenging the traditional culture, and barring a rare Yvonne Ridley, there are  few takers for the comprehensive Islamic way of life.

    Salafi extremism, the attempt to mark oneself from others by way of dress, terrorism are all  protests against this inevitable destruction of their culture and way of life.

    The Salafis of the future will either be non existent, or else a tiny minority like the Orthodox Jews, devout in their daily life but having completely given up Shariah laws,and the rest of Muslims and Muslim nations will be indistinguishable from others.  whistling2
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #6 - February 20, 2009, 11:27 AM
    Quote from: Rashna
    Salafi extremism, the attempt to mark oneself from others by way of dress, terrorism are all  protests against this inevitable destruction of their culture and way of life.

    Very intelligent analysis, Rashna.  Afro
    Islam: where idiots meet terrorists.
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #7 - February 20, 2009, 11:31 AM
    true, i never thought of it in that way
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #8 - February 20, 2009, 12:20 PM
    Quote from: Zaephon on February 20, 2009, 11:27 AM
    Quote from: Rashna
    Salafi extremism, the attempt to mark oneself from others by way of dress, terrorism are all  protests against this inevitable destruction of their culture and way of life.

    Very intelligent analysis, Rashna.  Afro


    Seconded - you are one extremely astute young lady!
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #9 - December 07, 2010, 01:01 PM
    Salafi Islam will probably be the last to die out if Islam ever dies out.

    In Salafi Islam, Allah takes on a personna of an anthropomorphic Father deity to whom young and restless men get inspired by to be brave and strong. A God, to whom you cast your personal desires and faults aside for. Diminishing your own ego as much as possible. Calling upon Him in every activity to purify yourself. Drawing upon the wisdom of religion over others. Abolish or restrict all activities that are deemed impermissable and observing all things religious with a great zeal and effort. Practicing spirituality with dedication and seriousness.
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #10 - December 07, 2010, 01:24 PM
    +1 It represents an abandonment of modern values, so those reactionaries who are disillusioned with mainstream society will find a fitting place for their activism
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #11 - December 07, 2010, 01:41 PM
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    Rashna: Salafi extremism, the attempt to mark oneself from others by way of dress, terrorism are all  protests against this inevitable destruction of their culture and way of life.

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    Zaephon:  Very intelligent analysis, Rashna.  Afro

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    Hassan: Seconded - you are one extremely astute young lady!


    But who is intelligent  ?  Rashna? Zaephon? Hassan?  or this Salafi??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okXxfT3_8f4


    Indeed you guys are right., CLEAN SHAVE THE RASCALS and change their dress code, lock them up in a room with wall to wall mirrors and give them some Prozac in their food  until they come to their senses..  These rascals they don't think about their culture as their heads under the Arabian sand..
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #12 - December 07, 2010, 01:53 PM
    lol, he's wearing a shitty hat with a towel that looks like loin cloth wrapped around it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHQPncr3v_I&feature=related
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #13 - December 07, 2010, 02:01 PM
    "Cover up, you're making my stubby, sticky!"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtHGHc6MpJ8&feature=related
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #14 - December 07, 2010, 04:31 PM
    Quote from: Logical_Mind44 on December 07, 2010, 01:01 PM
    Salafi Islam will probably be the last to die out if Islam ever dies out.

    I'm not sure about this.  It is certainly true that in the last 40~odd years they have enjoyed much growth, but that may be because they tend to attract the reactionary types and the Muslims have had a lot to be angry about in the Middle East (particularly).
    I'm not sure people can sustain the level of religiosity and devotion that salafism demands, particularly once they have doubts about the pillaring assumption of the whole religion -- which is that Islam is the One True Religion and that the Abrahamic God exists.  In fact, the title of this thread is "Salafi Burnout" to imply this unsustainability.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #15 - December 07, 2010, 06:11 PM
    Quote from: Logical_Mind44 on December 07, 2010, 01:53 PM
    lol, he's wearing a shitty hat with a towel that looks like loin cloth wrapped around it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHQPncr3v_I&feature=related

    I've been told this story countless times by mullahs.

    Usually it was in Urdu.

    In English, you can appreciate how much of a joke show it really is.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #16 - December 08, 2010, 05:47 PM
    lol at Sheikh Feiz Muhammad. He comes across as an angry and bitter person, watch his videos on how not to imitate the kuffar. Seriously, Wahabbis and "Hizbi's" are all a bunch of fucking losers, and quite frankly, are a joke.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #17 - December 08, 2010, 05:53 PM
    There's no such thing as Salafism, as Muslims will claim Sunni's are Salafi's, as they follow the Salaf. It's mainly Wahabism.

    They're the main group trying to revive Islam, but it's a dead ender.

    Just a pity to see such men (and women) undergo this.
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #18 - December 08, 2010, 05:56 PM
    What do you mean by dead ender?
    "The more I study religions the more I am convinced that man never worshiped anything but himself."
    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #19 - December 08, 2010, 05:58 PM
    There's no point. Islam won't revive itself imo, there's too much disunity and too many different opinions. Trust me  Wink
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #20 - December 08, 2010, 06:02 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on December 07, 2010, 04:31 PM
    I'm not sure about this.  It is certainly true that in the last 40~odd years they have enjoyed much growth, but that may be because they tend to attract the reactionary types and the Muslims have had a lot to be angry about in the Middle East (particularly).
    I'm not sure people can sustain the level of religiosity and devotion that salafism demands, particularly once they have doubts about the pillaring assumption of the whole religion -- which is that Islam is the One True Religion and that the Abrahamic God exists.  In fact, the title of this thread is "Salafi Burnout" to imply this unsustainability.

    Nah, like I said earlier I agree with LM, I think Salafi Islam will be the last part of Islam to die out.

    Kinda reminds me of the sharks, the oldest mammal on earth, which so happens to be the most fearsome too.  

    And its not a coincidence, being the oldest one means its the greatest survivor.  In the natural world's pyramid there is always something at the top, even when food supply was short in a changing environment, they just bred to become even stonger because they began to fight & eat each other.

    In other words, the last Islam we will be left with will be the most brutal of all.   Given the recent spate of suicide bombings, & the timeline of history, perhaps we're almost there already.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #21 - December 08, 2010, 06:03 PM
    Ohhhhh. Makes sense. Personally, I think Islam was in its prime during their golden age, I don't think the Muslim world will ever be like that again IMO, unless the Muslim world becomes very secular. If the Muslim world is all Wahabi, they will never, NEVER, be successful. Wahhabi Islam would pretty much block them from progress.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #22 - December 08, 2010, 06:05 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 08, 2010, 06:02 PM
    Nah, like I said earlier I agree with LM, I think Salafi Islam will be the last part of Islam to die out.

    Kinda reminds me of the sharks, the oldest mammal on earth, which so happens to be the most fearsome too.  

    And its not a coincidence, being the oldest one means its the greatest survivor.  In the natural world's pyramid there is always something at the top, even when food supply was short in a changing environment, they just bred to become even stonger because they began to fight & eat each other.

    In other words, the last Islam we will be left with will be the most brutal of all.   Given the recent spate of suicide bombings, & the timeline of history, perhaps we're almost there already.



    I personally think it will be some sort of war between the secular muslims and the salafis. But the salafis will lose. They can't keep holding on to the past forever.
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    ~Sir Richard Francis Burton

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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #23 - December 08, 2010, 06:07 PM
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on December 08, 2010, 06:03 PM
    will never, NEVER, be successful. Wahhabi Islam would pretty much block them from progress.

    yep, progress is the almost the opposite of bidaa/innovation.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #24 - December 08, 2010, 06:08 PM
    I don't think Muslims will have a civil war or something like that with Salafism.

    Traditional Sunni Islam will always remain strong within Islam communities, and will continue to do so until Islam slowly fades out.

    When that happens, I have no idea.
  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #25 - December 08, 2010, 06:09 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 08, 2010, 06:07 PM
    yep, progress is the almost the opposite of bidaa/innovation.


    You don't understand how much it bugs me to hear that if the Muslim world got rid of bidah and shirk and started to practice, the Muslim world will florish and become developed. Sorry, that won't happen. Praying more and avoiding shirk will not turn the Muslim world into a progressive 1st world country.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #26 - December 08, 2010, 06:15 PM
    Quote from: Cool Canadian on December 08, 2010, 06:09 PM
    You don't understand how much it bugs me to hear that if the Muslim world got rid of bidah and shirk and started to practice, the Muslim world will florish and become developed. Sorry, that won't happen. Praying more and avoiding shirk will not turn the Muslim world into a progressive 1st world country.

    but they have to believe that, its in the Quran.  If they dont, Islam is over for them.  Thats why they keep harping on about the Golden Age as an attempt to prove it, they have no other choice.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #27 - December 08, 2010, 06:40 PM
    We can help ease the 'Islam is over for them' process, if they choose it though, and more and more will.
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #28 - December 08, 2010, 08:03 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 08, 2010, 06:02 PM
    Nah, like I said earlier I agree with LM, I think Salafi Islam will be the last part of Islam to die out.

    Kinda reminds me of the sharks, the oldest mammal on earth, which so happens to be the most fearsome too.  

    And its not a coincidence, being the oldest one means its the greatest survivor.  In the natural world's pyramid there is always something at the top, even when food supply was short in a changing environment, they just bred to become even stonger because they began to fight & eat each other.

    In other words, the last Islam we will be left with will be the most brutal of all.   Given the recent spate of suicide bombings, & the timeline of history, perhaps we're almost there already.

    Interesting.  I wasn't saying that Salafism will definitely not outlast other sects (or definitely will).  I was merely saying that one cannot say for sure either way.  I think it depends on the conditions at the time and the adaptability of the sect.  Salafism certainly are more aggressive and assertive, but that is not always the best strategy for survival.  Leopards are much more adaptable than lions, so have conquered much of the planet (albeit in smaller numbers) despite being much less fearless than lions.  Leopards are more tactical.
    Another analogy is the fact that insects or rats are very successful creatures on this planet, whereas the big strong dinosaurs died out long ago.  Anyway these are just my funny thoughts.. grin12 parrot
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  • Re: Salafi Burnout
     Reply #29 - December 08, 2010, 08:06 PM
    Quote from: ateapotist on December 08, 2010, 08:03 PM

    Another analogy is the fact that insects or rats are very successful creatures on this planet, whereas the big strong dinosaurs died out long ago.  Anyway these are just my funny thoughts.. grin12 parrot


    So would you say the same analogy holds true for countries with big populations. like India?
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