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  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #90 - August 31, 2016, 02:36 PM

    I find it disturbing that anyone could think it would be a good idea to have the police patrolling the beach and ordering women to remove items of clothing....and it doesnt occur to the police that this is not the right way to behave??
    I actually agree with having a ban on burkas and full face coverings....but these burkinis, from what ive seen do not cover the face anyway......The police should be looking for criminals not ordering women to get undressed!!   Before you know it you'd have all kinds of perverts signing up to join the police :S
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #91 - August 31, 2016, 03:14 PM

    ITA .... this beach ban was ridiculous, not to say discriminatory.  Just the week before, we went down to the Lakeshore here, and except for the kids, we were all wearing street wear and paddled in the waves.  

    At the same time, I don't totally blame the police. I doubt they volunteered for this.   After the terror attacks in France, they would most probably be patrolling spaces like the beach.   Of course, it is ridiculous that while 4 armed police are attending 1 female, the terrorists could attack elsewhere!!

    It is the politicians who made the rule :=

    Quote
    French mayors refuse to lift burkini ban despite court ruling

    Quote
    A majority of mayors who have banned burkinis in about 30 French coastal resorts are refusing to lift the restrictions despite the country’s highest administrative court ruling that the bans are illegal, leaving the state facing a dilemma about how to react.

    More than 20 mayors have defiantly kept in place decrees under which municipal police can stop and fine any women in full-body swimsuits at the beach despite the ruling from the state council that the burkini bans are a “serious and manifestly illegal violation of fundamental freedoms”.

    In a test case expected to set legal precedent, the court suspended the burkini ban in one French Riviera town, Villeneuve-Loubet, which was obliged to immediately scrap its decree. But the ruling was dismissed by many other mayors.

    The interior minister, Bernard Cazeneuve, who has called for calm and warned against stigmatising Muslims in France, is expected to make an announcement on the issue on Monday. The Green housing minister, Emmanuelle Cosse, said mayors who refused to take the court ruling into account were playing with fire.

    Most of the bans are still in place along the French Riviera, including in Nice and a swath of resorts along the Côte d’Azur. The mayor of Cannes, David Lisnard, from Nicolas Sarkozy’s Les Républicains party, was the first mayor to ban burkinis this summer and said he would not budge. He said the ruling “does not in any way change my conviction that ostentatious dress, whatever the religion, is a problem in the current context”. He said burkinis were “Islamist” and a sign of the “salafisation of our society”.

    Only two mayors lifted their bans in the wake of the Villeneuve-Loubet ruling: the Socialist mayor of Oye-Plages near Calais and the centrist mayor of Eze in the Alpes-Maritimes. Mayors from the rightwing Les Républicains party and from the far-right Front National are keeping their bans in place, insisting that the Villeneuve-Loubet case does not apply to them.

    The burkini bans – which are now seen as illegal – pose a major problem to the French state, which is responsible for making sure the rule of law is respected. In theory, the state could now instruct local prefects to take action to force mayors to withdraw the bans. Human rights groups have also said they will pursue the towns through courts.

    The Socialist prime minister, Manuel Valls, who had caused divisions in his party by supporting the mayors’ bans, insisted that the political debate on burkinis must continue. In a written statement on Facebook, he said the burkini was “the affirmation of political Islam in the public space”.

    The issue of the burkini and Islam in France has been pushed to the top of the political agenda in the run-up to next year’s presidential and parliamentary elections by Sarkozy, who is running a hardline campaign on French national identity in a bid to win his party’s nomination to run again for president. Sarkozy reiterated that he wants a nationwide law to ban burkinis and also wants to ban Muslim headscarves from universities and private companies.

    Alain Juppé, the mayor of Bordeaux, who remains favourite to be chosen as the right’s candidate, launched his campaign against Sarkozy this weekend, striking a conciliatory tone. He is against a nationwide law against burkinis, saying it would be illegal and anti-constitutional, and that it was pointless to push for a new law “amid media agitation”. He told Europe 1 radio that politicians should stop using inflammatory rhetoric to “throw oil on the fire”.

    Holding a rally west of Paris on Saturday, Juppé nonetheless proposed creating a special accord between the state and Muslim leaders to lay out clear rules for respecting French secularism.

    “It is legitimate to ask them to have a knowledge of the principles of the organisation of the republican state, especially French-style secularism,” he said.

    The short-term burkini bans, which began to be issued by mayors at the end of July, have sparked a heated political row about the French principle of laïcité – secularism built on the strict separation of church and state – amid accusations by rights groups that politicians are twisting and distorting the principle for political gain, and using it to deliberately target Muslims following a series of terrorist attacks.

    Following reports of some women being stopped by police for simply wearing a headscarf and loose clothing while standing on the beach, controversy has grown.

    Benoît Hamon, a former Socialist government minister seeking the left’s presidential nomination, said on Sunday that the burkini debate was “targeting Muslims once again” and criticised Valls for supporting bans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/28/french-mayors-burkini-ban-court-ruling
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #92 - August 31, 2016, 08:40 PM

    Her is the update of INDIA and whether women should wear skirts...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-37218487

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #93 - August 31, 2016, 09:00 PM

    Her is the update of INDIA and whether women should wear skirts...
     

    well I agree with that thing Jedi., I think It is good for the planet earth,., if Indian men  wear skirt and Pakistani men to wear Burkah ..

    and all these men should spend their time in-home in kitchen cooking  and women should go out and earn for bread and butter ...  I m fairly certain  by the end of the century biologic- scientists will find a way  to become pregnant and make babies ..

     

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #94 - September 01, 2016, 02:58 AM

    ITA .... this beach ban was ridiculous, not to say discriminatory.  Just the week before, we went down to the Lakeshore here, and except for the kids, we were all wearing street wear and paddled in the waves.  

    At the same time, I don't totally blame the police. I doubt they volunteered for this.   After the terror attacks in France, they would most probably be patrolling spaces like the beach.   Of course, it is ridiculous that while 4 armed police are attending 1 female, the terrorists could attack elsewhere!!

    It is the politicians who made the rule :=
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/28/french-mayors-burkini-ban-court-ruling

     puzzlelover you are absolutely right there  w.r.t,  ROGUES IN POLITICS that use these faiths to get what they wanted .. in those bad old days it used to be kings and Caliphs now it is elected politicians that are doing this ..  And it goes to so-called  Muslim lands as well as non-Muslim lands  ..  To get elected these scoundrels will do everything  including wars and killings ...  well it is life of FILTHY ANIMALS  the highest evolved biological species of the planet .. anyways let me add some pictures they are worth


     


    African American folks   want to use the beach in Biloxi US OF A in 1960



    Nuns can use beach



    bikers taking rest on beach



    So why not that Burkahani?? whatever cloth it is??

    As long as people can see face  and face is not covered .,and as long as  piece of cloth people wearing is not hazardous for accidents and health wise    everyone should be able to wear whatever they like ...

    By the way.,   these political and religious ROGUES IN ISLAM IN  SO CALLED MUSLIM MAJORITY NATIONS  ALSO HAVE TO CHANGE SOME BASIC RULES OF ISLAM  to make other faith head and other faith following folks live their life without getting threatened by  rogues of Islam..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #95 - September 01, 2016, 11:36 AM

    The photos seem staged.  The camera angles and the progressions of events all so coveniently captured.  The woman comes to the beach without any companions, no accessories such as carrying satchel, book, water bottle, chair or blanket to lie on or even a handbag.  She is just all dressed up and lying on the sand in her burkini. Seems rather suspicious to me. 

    Considering the hijab is banned in schools and public buildings in France, well it is considered a symbol of political Islam.  Islam is a cult for many and not a real religion why do I have to specifically state it?  Particularly for the people who push the hijab, niqab and burka on women in the west.  How many years were some cultural muslims living in France before all this nonsense started?  For decades even more than one hundred years.  So putting bans on the islamic dress is just a rather gentle way of telling the islamist nutters to get lost.  So much better than a total polarlization and what lessons the humans have not learned from Black July. 

    The unreligion, only one calorie
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #96 - September 01, 2016, 11:52 AM

    Yeah, let's get potential terrorists to leave by making the average Muslim feel ostracised.

    Because fuck logic, right?




    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #97 - September 01, 2016, 12:04 PM

    The photos seem staged.  The camera angles and the progressions of events all so coveniently captured.  The woman comes to the beach without any companions, no accessories such as carrying satchel, book, water bottle, chair or blanket to lie on or even a handbag.  She is just all dressed up and lying on the sand in her burkini. Seems rather suspicious to me.  

    Considering the hijab is banned in schools and public buildings in France, well it is considered a symbol of political Islam.  Islam is a cult for many and not a real religion why do I have to specifically state it?  Particularly for the people who push the hijab, niqab and burka on women in the west.  How many years were some cultural muslims living in France before all this nonsense started?  For decades even more than one hundred years.  So putting bans on the islamic dress is just a rather gentle way of telling the islamist nutters to get lost.  So much better than a total polarlization and what lessons the humans have not learned from Black July
    .  

    helloooooooooo    Bee.. you are making noise... too much noise with very little sense.. I ask you why??  well I didn't read your post carefully ... but .. anyways I may  say, some of those points in your post do make sense  but not whole post .let me reread it later..  for now  about these words
    Quote
    Islam is a cult for many and not a real religion why do I have to specifically state it?

    they do sound  right.  So

    what is real religion?  
    what is a religion?
    and what is the difference between cult and religion?
     

     those questions are bothering me ., could you please answer me..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #98 - September 01, 2016, 12:07 PM

    When yeezevee has to tell you that you're making little sense, you done fucked up.

    I wish I go could a week without idiocy like the above permeating my sphere of existence.

    Alas, that ain't happening any time soon.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #99 - September 01, 2016, 12:15 PM

    No..no...nooooo
    ........................ (her, not you yeez) ............

    Now I am going to delete a  word from you  Qtian    bit busy to explain why I am so rude to cross some words of some posts

    So sabeendurrani joins the forum  what a name... Sabeen.. Sabeen ..Sabeen Muhammad    and that proud  durrani  tribe together in a name ..  I think sabeendurrani will be an asset to cemb forum
     
    but what is there in a name ? A rose is a rose is a  rose whatever the name we call..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #100 - September 01, 2016, 12:23 PM

    I don't see Islam as a cult. I don't see Muslims as a group I must do keyboard battle with. Sometimes I dislike the shit that gets said about them.

    Maybe I'm marked. Maybe I'm getting old.

    Maybe I don't care anymore.


    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #101 - September 01, 2016, 12:26 PM

    I don't see ...........

    that is unfair post., I am asking questions to Bee.,  and you wrote a post with NO answers Qtian,,, please answer all three questions together .. and the questions are ..let me  paste them again

    what is real religion?  
    what is a religion?
    and what is the difference between cult and religion?
     


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #102 - September 01, 2016, 12:28 PM

    That's rich coming from you. You still haven't answered any of my follow-up questions in the statistics thread.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #103 - September 01, 2016, 12:34 PM

    That's rich coming from you. You still haven't answered any of my follow-up questions in the statistics thread.

     Cheesy Cheesy    I hate that subject  the teacher was baaaad in my  college days

    anyways I need to watch these

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVehQ-N4HMU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6162GODQCtQ


    She was an angel....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #104 - September 01, 2016, 12:36 PM

    Typical excuse.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #105 - September 01, 2016, 12:52 PM

    Typical excuse.

      Cheesy  so  Qtian  you are putting that folder back on top?  was that just for me ?

     but I want to buy a   necklace to afriend  ., I wonder what Bee says about that



    and I think  that Kate is also wearing it as symbolic gesture


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #106 - September 01, 2016, 03:46 PM

    Quote
    Nuns cannot wear their habits on our beaches, says deputy mayor of Nice
    The deputy mayor of Nice said that both habits and burkinis were banned on local beaches in an interview yesterday on Radio 4

    The deputy mayor of Nice has said that nuns wearing habits are no more welcome on his beaches than women wearing burkinis.

    Speaking to presenter Edward Stourton on the World at One on BBC Radio 4 yesterday, the Deputy Mayor, Rudy Salles defended the burkini ban and said: “What is the burkini? There is bikini and there is burka and the burka is forbidden. When you go to the beach you wear a bathing suit. You don’t go to the beach as you want. If I want to go on the beach naked it’s forbidden-I cannot.

    “So if you want to go to the beach in a burkini it’s forbidden because it is a provocation. Religion and the state are completely separated. Religion is the affair of each one but each one at home, each one at church, not each one in the street.”
    When Edward Stourton asked him: “What about a Catholic nun. Would she be allowed to appear on the beach wearing her habit?”

    The deputy mayor replied: “No. The same.”

    Yesterday, the council of state, France’s highest administrative court, examined an appeal by the French Human Rights League to scrap the burkini bans.

    The row has escalated since pictures emerged this week of a woman wearing a burkini on a Nice beach being approached and surrounded by the police.

    Nice’s deputy mayor said the removal of burkinis was a “necessity” after the terrorist attack last month.

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/08/26/nuns-cannot-wear-their-habits-on-our-beaches-says-deputy-mayor-of-cannes/
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #107 - September 01, 2016, 03:56 PM

    Quote
    Nuns cannot wear their habits on our beaches, says deputy mayor of Nice  The deputy mayor of Nice said that both habits and burkinis were banned on local beaches in an interview yesterday on Radio 4


    Can some one put a  tape on this fool's 'mouth and niqab on his head

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-yLtmSe8uw


    The fool is confused Islamic terror with stupid faiths and stupid faith heads

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #108 - September 01, 2016, 06:14 PM

    When yeezevee has to tell you that you're making little sense, you done fucked up.




     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy x the universe

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #109 - September 21, 2016, 11:31 PM

    Stephen Cowden and Sukhwant Dhaliwal - Nationalism, Fundamentalism and the Monopoly on Violence: A Reply to Sara R. Farris
    Quote
    On 23rd August 2016, armed police forced a woman to remove her ‘burkini’ and undress on a packed beach in Nice. A spectrum of individuals and organisations expressed outrage. Sara R. Farris’ response attacked the ‘utter racism behind the French state’s claim to be protecting secularism’ and claimed that secularism had become the ‘fundamentalist religion’ of the French state. But there are major problems with Farris’ analysis. We see it as vital that people on the Left, feminists and anti-racists engage with the full complexity of issues thrown up by this incident. Stephen Cowden and Sukhwant Dhaliwal offer four counter-points to Farris’ argument...

    http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2843-nationalism-fundamentalism-and-the-monopoly-on-violence-a-reply-to-sara-r-farris
  • A woman's clothing is the problem
     Reply #110 - October 30, 2016, 05:49 PM

    A problem from another POV:

    Quote
    Indian Shooter Heena Sidhu Refuses To Wear A Hijab, Withdraws From Airgun Competition In Iran
    ...Heena, who is the defending champion, has withdrawn from the meet because of Iran’s insistence on female contestants adhering to the dress code according to which it is mandatory for female participants to wear the 'hijab'.
    "Forcing tourists or foreign guests to wear 'hijab' is against the spirit of the game. Since I don't like it, I have withdrawn my name," Heena told Times of India. "You follow your religion and let me follow mine. I’ll not participate in this competition if you are going to force me to comply with your religious beliefs," she said...

    http://www.indiatimes.com/sports/indian-shooter-heena-sidhu-refuses-to-wear-a-hijab-withdraws-from-airgun-competition-in-iran-264493.html

    ... and another sport related incident which occurred in Japan 2014 Kabaddi World Cup:
    Quote
    The Hijab Story: When Indian players helped Iranian raider in her moment of desperation — MUST WATCH

    http://zeenews.india.com/sports/others/the-hijab-story-when-indian-players-helped-iranian-raider-in-her-moment-of-desperation-watch_1943899.html

    While kudos to the Indian girls, I think the headscarf presents a problem in contact sports to the wearers especially if they feel 'exposed' if it is dislodged in the course of the game.
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