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  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #30 - July 17, 2016, 02:29 AM

    Much easier to blame an exiled political opponent than the founding ideology of the republic.

    How do their politics differ? They both have Islamist leanings.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #31 - July 17, 2016, 03:57 AM

    Gulenism is a pretty moderate form of Islamism. It's a kind of modernization of Islamism that seeks to bridge the gap between Islamism and liberal democracy.

    One of the key ways Erdogan managed to gain so much popularity was by putting on the whole "moderate Islamist" facade by aligning himself with Gulen. The Gulen movement was key to the AKP's rise to power. But eventually Erdogan started showing his true face and pretty much playing the same game his opponents play, i.e. cracking down on anyone who disagrees with him and his attempt to usurp power.

    The irony of accusing Gulen for being behind this coup attempt is that one of the key components of Gulenism is an opposition to military involvement in domestic affairs. Gulen actually accused Erdogan of staging the whole coup to further usurp power, which honestly sounds more realistic. Erdogan is a power-hungry megalomaniac. He's playing himself as the politician who's weakening the power of the military to protect democracy, but he's actually doing it to take the power himself. People are claiming that if the coup had succeeded, Turkey would be another Egypt and get its own Sisi, but the truth is that Erdogan is already playing that role. He uses opportunities to crack down on opposition and give opposition absurd sentences. "The most famous of these instances is the so-called Ergenekon coup plot trials. In that 2013 verdict, many high-ranking army members, journalists, and academics were handed hundreds of years of imprisonment  and several aggravated life sentences.... But an appeals court overturned many of those convictions in April because prosecutors had been unable to prove that Ergenekon actually existed" (Source). This guy literally makes shit up to crack down on opposition. It wouldn't be surprising at all if this entire coup was his own plan. It goes in line with everything he's done so far.
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #32 - July 17, 2016, 10:13 AM

    http://kurdishquestion.com/article/3289


    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #33 - July 17, 2016, 10:49 AM

  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #34 - July 17, 2016, 07:52 PM

  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #35 - July 18, 2016, 04:00 AM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeNO3sc6-RQ

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #36 - July 18, 2016, 02:04 PM

    Quote
    The swift rounding up of judges and others after a failed coup in Turkey indicated the government had prepared a list beforehand, the EU commissioner dealing with Turkey's membership bid, Johannes Hahn, said on Monday.

    Following a failed coup attempt on Saturday, Turkish authorities on Sunday rounded up nearly 3,000 suspected military plotters, ranging from top commanders to foot soldiers, and the same number of judges and prosecutors.

    "It looks at least as if something has been prepared. The lists are available, which indicates it was prepared and to be used at a certain stage," Hahn said.

    "I'm very concerned. It is exactly what we feared."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-eu-hahn-idUSKCN0ZY0EA

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #37 - July 19, 2016, 08:45 PM

    WikiLeaks is on the case. They've already released some AKP emails but it's not recent enough to cover the coup.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/wikileaks-release-turkey-power-structure-documents-160718131206187.html
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #38 - July 19, 2016, 09:23 PM

    Gulenism is a pretty moderate form of Islamism. It's a kind of modernization of Islamism that seeks to bridge the gap between Islamism and liberal democracy.

    One of the key ways Erdogan managed to gain so much popularity was by putting on the whole "moderate Islamist" facade by aligning himself with Gulen. The Gulen movement was key to the AKP's rise to power. But eventually Erdogan started showing his true face and pretty much playing the same game his opponents play, i.e. cracking down on anyone who disagrees with him and his attempt to usurp power.

    The irony of accusing Gulen for being behind this coup attempt is that one of the key components of Gulenism is an opposition to military involvement in domestic affairs. Gulen actually accused Erdogan of staging the whole coup to further usurp power, which honestly sounds more realistic. Erdogan is a power-hungry megalomaniac. He's playing himself as the politician who's weakening the power of the military to protect democracy, but he's actually doing it to take the power himself. People are claiming that if the coup had succeeded, Turkey would be another Egypt and get its own Sisi, but the truth is that Erdogan is already playing that role. He uses opportunities to crack down on opposition and give opposition absurd sentences. "The most famous of these instances is the so-called Ergenekon coup plot trials. In that 2013 verdict, many high-ranking army members, journalists, and academics were handed hundreds of years of imprisonment  and several aggravated life sentences.... But an appeals court overturned many of those convictions in April because prosecutors had been unable to prove that Ergenekon actually existed" (Source). This guy literally makes shit up to crack down on opposition. It wouldn't be surprising at all if this entire coup was his own plan. It goes in line with everything he's done so far.


    I think along these lines too Absurdist.  I'm still struggling to understand why so many turks backed him and took to the streets to support him though.  wacko

    I'm off to turkey next month, hope things calm down before then, lol. although I have a hunch there might well be another coup attempt before then.

    "The greatest general is not the one who can take the most cities or spill the most blood. The greatest general is the one who can take Heaven and Earth without waging the battle." ~ Sun Tzu

  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #39 - July 19, 2016, 11:05 PM

    2016 is turning out to be a great year for the world....
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #40 - July 19, 2016, 11:41 PM

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    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said he is ready to reinstate the death penalty if the Turkish people demand it and parliament approves the necessary legislation.

    Erdogan spoke early on Tuesday to thousands of supporters outside his Istanbul residence who were chanting for Turkey to restore capital punishment following the failed coup.

    "Today, is there no capital punishment in America? In Russia? In China? In countries around the world? Only in European Union countries is there no capital punishment," Erdogan said.

    The president added Turkey is "a democratic state run by rule of law", and "you cannot put aside the people's demands".

    Parliament is expected to meet on Wednesday to discuss the issue.
    ...

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/president-erdogan-ready-reinstate-death-penalty-160719015923935.html

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #41 - July 20, 2016, 11:15 AM

    The situation in Turkey is getting more and more crazy. Now academics are no longer allowed to leave the country:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36843180

    Quote
    Turkey has temporarily banned all academics from travelling abroad, officials say.
    The move follows last week's failed coup and comes amid a wide-ranging purge of state employees.
    More than 50,000 people have been rounded up, sacked or suspended, including about 21,000 teachers.
    President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is chairing meetings of his national security council and cabinet in the capital, Ankara.
    It is the first time since he has returned to the city after the attempted coup on Friday.
    The BBC's Nick Thorpe in Ankara says that the meeting will be the president's first chance since the coup attempt to sit and talk in person with all key members of the government and armed forces.
    Mr Erdogan's task is to re-impose stability amid the turmoil, our correspondent adds, and to reassure Turkey and its allies abroad that he is not embarking on a witch-hunt against his many critics.
    So far about 1,577 university deans (faculty heads) have been asked to resign in addition to 21,000 teachers and 15,000 education ministry officials.



    As expected Erdogan is using this coup to gain more control over the government.
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #42 - July 20, 2016, 11:46 AM

    Article from the German parody news: http://www.der-postillon.com/2016/07/erdogan-suspendiert-schueler.html
    Translation:




    30.000 pupil have suspended from school

    Prime Minister Erdogan has suspended 30.000 pupil from school for being supporters of the Gülen movement. Erdogan fears that they could evolve into dangerous academics.

    Timur (9) reports to a newspaper, which has been closed shortly afterwards: "We were in the middle of a dictation when the police enter the classroom and called our names. Then me and eight classmates had to leave the room. What luck! I totally screwed up the dictation."

    At the moment the secret service MIT is scanning the schoolbags, WhatsApp chat protocols and exercise books of the pupil for caricatures against Erdogan and possible links to the Gülen movement. Scissors, elastic bands which could be used for slingshots and water pistols have been already found in the children's room of some suspects.

    The pupil can no longer go to school and have to work now in the streets.

    The Turkish government has also released a travel prohibition for all citizens who can read more than 19 letters.
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #43 - July 20, 2016, 01:21 PM


    I didn't see that at first and thought 'WTF?'.  Grin

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #44 - July 20, 2016, 03:53 PM

    It's really amazing just how much purging Erdogan is doing... and yet... what are the Turkish people doing? Are there any protests against this???

    Hitler #2 is rising....
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #45 - July 21, 2016, 08:29 AM

    The situation of the Turks is getting more and more ugly. I just watched a video of the German newsagency ARD about the situation of Turks in Germany. Everyone who openly speaks against Erdogan online is being threated and attacked.

    In Turkey it's also getting worst. A Trabzonspor manager (famous football club in Turkey) posted this tweet after the coup:


    "The women and properties of the infidels who made this coup are now belong to the people! For example the wife of the pilot who fly over my house yesterday."

    However, the manager who wrote this deleted it afterwards and apologized for it. He was suspended from the club afterwards.

    In other incident a police officer is asking a captured military officer whether he has a daughter. He replies that he has a 10 months old daughter. On which the police officer replies: "would you like it if we fuck her all?"

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/07/20/women-being-silenced-turkeys-crackdown/87329486/
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #46 - July 23, 2016, 10:44 AM

    Turkey wants Pakistan to shut institutions run by Gulen  says news

    Quote
    ISLAMABAD: Ankara expects Pakistan to close down institutions run by Fethullah Gulen, the US-based religious leader accused of masterminding and backing the botched coup attempt in Turkey last week.

    “We have called on all friendly countries to prevent activities of this (Gulen’s) group,” Turkish Ambassador Sadik Babur Girgin said at a media briefing on the developments in Turkey after the failed attempt to topple the government.

    He said the Turkish government had solid evidence that Gulen’s movement was behind the plot.

    In Pakistan, Gulen runs a network of about 21 schools and Rumi Forum, an intellectual and intercultural dialogue platform, in addition to having business stakes. His organisations and businesses have been operating in Pakistan for decades.

    Noting that Gulen had “big presence in Pakistan”, Mr Girgin said Turkey was in close contact with Pakistani authorities. “We have had good cooperation with Pakistan in every field.”

    (A source separately disclosed that the Pakistan government had begun examining options for administrative action against Gulen-linked institutions in the country.)

    Mr Girgin said the Turkish government was also seeking Gulen’s extradition from the United States, adding that the evidence asked by the US had been provided to the American authorities and Vice President Joe Biden had assured that it would be considered.


    where is the solid evidence man? what did BIG TURKEY do for the past 15 years so? could not change the mindset of Turkish Army??  why is that BIG TURKEY is against  Fethullah Gülen?? in fact  Fethullah Gülen Islam is better than the Islam of BIG TURKEY ., BIG TURKEY  is usurping political power since the beginning  of his political career and replacing those who question his stupidity.

    Fethullah Gülen Islam , and his interfaith dialogue and often in his sermons he preached "Studying physics, mathematics, and chemistry is worshiping God  which is well known  all over his schools .,In fact BIG TURKEY WAS HIS SUPPORTER all the way until 2013.,    the problem came when Gülen questioned the corruption, and Caliph house that BIG TURKEY BUILT FOR HIMSELF using state funds...  that is where problems started

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #47 - July 24, 2016, 06:09 PM

    Amnesty International on torture allegations
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #48 - July 28, 2016, 01:22 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwgCYU3mOl4

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #49 - September 01, 2016, 10:39 PM

    This stuff is still affecting me 1.5 months later. My family is breaking apart and I'm going crazy cuz i can't say shit. Also the conspiracies coming from the Erdoganists are killing me. Every fucking day I hear bullshit, hate, nonsense accusations, etc.

    Someone should stop this mad man.
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #50 - September 02, 2016, 01:31 AM

    Filthy assholes who think women and children are property of men...

    Quote
    However, the manager who wrote this deleted it afterwards and apologized for it. He was suspended from the club afterwards.

    In other incident a police officer is asking a captured military officer whether he has a daughter. He replies that he has a 10 months old daughter. On which the police officer replies: "would you like it if we fuck her all?"


    Can you imagine if these people raise to power? Fuck them all.
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #51 - September 02, 2016, 02:29 PM

    Genocide.  What stage is it at?

    So who is going to be blamed for the genicide this time?  The west?  The americans?

    When are humans going to stop killing each other? 

    It makes me sick.  I might have to stop coming to this website for a while.


    The unreligion, only one calorie
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #52 - November 04, 2016, 11:38 AM

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37868441
    Quote
    The joint leaders of Turkey's pro-Kurdish opposition party, People's Democracy (HDP), have been arrested along with at least nine other MPs.

    Selahattin Demirtas and Figen Yuksekdag are accused of spreading propaganda for militants fighting the Turkish state.
    ....
    Turkey remains under a state of emergency that was imposed after a failed military coup in July.

    The emergency allows President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his cabinet to bypass parliament when drafting new laws and to restrict or suspend rights and freedoms.
    ....
    The government says those detained had failed to respond to a summons for questioning and issued an arrest warrant for two other HDP MPs currently abroad.

    This is a major escalation of a clampdown that has seen Kurdish media closed down and the mayor of Diyarbakir arrested.
    ....

  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #53 - November 04, 2016, 03:37 PM

    HDP statement: http://www.hdp.org.tr/en/english/statements/the-end-of-democracy-in-turkey/9189
    Quote
    The End of Democracy in Turkey

    Last night the purge of President Erdogan against our party has reached another peak: our Co-Chairs Selahattin Demirtas and Figen Yüksekdag, along with 11 further Members of Parliament of our party have been detained across Turkey last night. More arrests are to be expected. The goal of these measures is to shut down the third largest party in parliament. This is a dark day not only for our party but for all of Turkey and the region as it means the end of democracy in Turkey.

    Ever since our party reached a historic victory during the national elections of June 7, 2015 where we succeeded to enter parliament despite the undemocratic 10% threshold, President Erdogan has singled out our party as the main target of his authoritarian policies. The reason is our principled opposition against his goal to introduce a presidential system in Turkey. Our seats in parliament are the biggest obstacles to the necessary constitutional changes. Thus, he simply ordered new elections in November 2015. Despite a series of violent assaults by “unknown perpetrators” on our party members and infrastructure, we managed once again to surpass the threshold on November 5, 2015 and won 59 seats in Parliament. Since he could not re-order elections another time, President Erdogan initiated the lifting of the immunity of our MPs in May 2016. As he could not prevent us from entering Parliament, he now orders us into prison.

    Thousands of members, executives, elected mayors and city council members affiliated with the HDP and/or our sister party DBP have already been sent to prison on groundless charges since our electoral victory in June 2015. Yet the coup attempt on July 15, 2016 and the subsequent declaration of a state of emergency has been the welcome opportunity for President Erdogan to eliminate all opposition. There is no freedom of expression and no freedom of press, no academic freedom, and no fair and independent judicial system any more. With government decrees gaining the power of law, over 170 media outlets critical of Erdogan have been banned. More than 130 journalists are in prison, including world-renowned authors and intellectuals. Most recently, two Kurdish news agencies and several Kurdish dailies were closed down and the chief-editor, columnists and journalists of the daily Cumhuriyet have been detained. More than 80,000 people have been detained since July 15, and about half of them are in prison now.

    On November 30, Ms. Gülten Kisanak and Mr. Firat Anli, elected co-mayors of Diyarbakir from our party, were arrested and sent to prison. A district governor from Ankara was appointed to run the municipality. With this, the number of Kurdish municipalities run by bureaucrats appointed by the central government increased to 28. About 30 democratically elected Kurdish mayors are now in prison, and about 70 of them were dismissed by the central government. 

    We strongly condemn the detainment of our Co-Chairs Selahattin Demirtas and Figen Yüksekdag,  as well our Members of Parliament Nihat Akdogan, Nursel Aydogan,  Idris Baluken, Leyla Birlik, Ferhat Encü, Selma Irmak, Sirri Süreyya Önder, Ziya Pir, Imam Tascier, Gülser Yildirim, Abdullah Zeydan and demand their immediate release. The manufactured charges against them and all other party members must be dropped. 

    History has shown over and over again that any power based on brute force is outlived by the struggle for justice and freedom. We will not surrender to these dictatorial policies and call upon our friends around the world to stand in solidarity in our struggle to prevent Erdogan to steer the country into a civil war and further despotism.

    Hisyar Ozsoy
    Vice Co-chair of HDP Responsible for Foreign Affairs
    Deputy for Bingol
    November 4, 2016

  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #54 - November 04, 2016, 04:29 PM

    just to let the readers know  let me repeat zeca post



    Quote
    Yüksekdağ was born in Gölovası, Yumurtalık, Adana Province, into an ethnically Turkish Sunni farming family.  She was an independent parliamentary candidate for the Adana electoral district in the 2002 general election. She was involved in women's rights movements for several years before becoming the editor of the Socialist Woman magazine. While serving on the board of the Atılım newspaper, she was taken into custody in 2009 due to her political activity.

    She cofounded the Socialist Party of the Oppressed (ESP)[5] shortly after in 2010 and resigned as leader in 2014 to join the HDP, with which the ESP merged later the same year. During the second ordinary congress of the HDP, she was elected the co-leader of the HDP


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90wVqlRLNO4

    Figen Yuksekdag was interviewed by BBC World  last year .,

     THAT FUCKING TUREKY ERDO_GOON   do not like to see women in power and women without burkhas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNuCOzXVFPo

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #55 - November 12, 2016, 12:47 AM

    Raids on NGOs: https://mobile.twitter.com/fgeerdink/status/797150637330927617
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #56 - November 13, 2016, 05:15 PM



    THAT TURKEY ERDO-GOON  is going to do worse things in the next week .,    so he is going to out of the country  that too into Pakistan., off course country is filled with pure people  with criminals in power ,bearded   baboons preaching  in mosques and gun toters on street., So  the news at http://www.dawn.com/news/1296017/pti-to-boycott-erdogans-address-to-parliament says

    Quote
    Quote
    PTI to boycott Erdogan’s address to parliament

    ISLAMABAD: The Pakis­tan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) has decided to boycott Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s address to the joint session of parliament, to be held next week.

    The decision was made by the “party leadership” at a meeting held at the residence of chairman Imran Khan in Banigala on Saturday.

    Speaking to Dawn after the meeting, PTI vice chairman Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the party had decided it would not attend a joint session held under a “controversial” prime minister who was facing charges of corruption.

    Mr Erdogan is scheduled to arrive in Pakistan for a two-day official visit next week. The government plans to convene a special joint sitting of parliament on Nov 17 so the Turkish president can address lawmakers.

    Mr Qureshi said the PTI considered Turkey a “sincere friend” of the country and a brother Islamic state. He also said the party had great respect for the Turkish president.
    ..............



    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #57 - November 17, 2016, 02:23 PM

    The crackdown on the press: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/world/europe/turkey-press-erdogan-coup.html
    Quote
    Recently, a wiretap of a phone call between Mr. Erdogan and Erdogan Demiroren, the owner of the Milliyet newspaper, was posted on YouTube. In it, Mr. Demiroren is heard apologizing for the paper’s publication of leaked minutes of a secret meeting between Kurdish leaders who were discussing peace negotiations that have since been abandoned.

    Mr. Demiroren says to the president, “Did I upset you, boss?” As Mr. Erdogan berates him, the paper’s owner begins weeping as he apologizes and promises to find out who leaked the documents to his paper. Mr. Erdogan denounces “this disgraceful, dishonest, vile man who puts a headline and wants to sabotage this process.” No one has challenged the tape’s authenticity.

  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #58 - November 20, 2016, 01:31 AM

    I wonder if he chose his timing during the US election so the eyes of the world were elsewhere.
  • Turkey coup attempt
     Reply #59 - November 20, 2016, 01:49 PM

    This whole situation is insanely sad :(. It's going to be so much harder to get rid of Erdogan now, it seems that he got exactly what he wanted with this coup attempt.
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