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     Reply #180 - June 28, 2016, 07:13 PM

    You’re right. It doesn’t reduce them to livestock; it reduces them to dirt.

    “Your women are your tilth” 2:223

    "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons that is most convenient, that they should be known and not molested." 33:59

    The logical deduction here is that women who do not cast their outer garments over their persons conveniently should not be known and should be molested.



    Thanks.
     thnkyu

    The livestock analogy I agree is a bit rude, but when marriages are arranged (selective breeding and trade) and women are not allowed to go out on their own.... But a little boy is enough escort (young boys have traditionally been used for herding livestock) it is not that far fetched after all.

    You are a bit far from disproving half of my outrageous claims, aren't you?
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     Reply #181 - June 28, 2016, 07:18 PM

    This is my view: I believe that God superseded this planet in creation, to allow it to bare life for us to exist. I CANNOT believe that because our planet permits life to exist out of the other millions; billions or even trillions of other planets in the observable and unknown parts of the Universe, this makes it a complete coincidence. How can you believe that? ''We are here now, it's just chance''. If you want to believe that, fine. I can't come to that conclusion. Sorry.

    By the way, there is a difference in: making a mistake, and a difference in choosing not to give other planets the same properties in order for them to also bare life.


    Argument from incredulity. And that’s fine. You are entitled to your own beliefs. The fact of the matter is that when we are talking about that obscure and mysterious phase at the beginning of time, all we really have are our personal beliefs.

    I find it just as unbelievable that the Allah of the Qur’an is the God responsible for creation.

    لكم دينكم ولي (لا) دين
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     Reply #182 - June 28, 2016, 07:29 PM

    You are also entitled to your beliefs, (or no beliefs - I don't want to get hate replies by atheists).

    I will be getting ready for iftar. Peace.

    Ahl as-sunnah wal-jamāʻah and following the way of the Salaf. - nope, not anymore.
  • Challenge
     Reply #183 - June 28, 2016, 09:27 PM

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    I also showed the improbability of the human genome evolving.


    how? By showing that the probability of that specific sequence of events is very low?
    I did exactly the same with the shuffling a pack of cards example.

    Shuffling a pack of cards in whatever specific order has a probability of one chance in eighty unvigintillion, six hundred fifty-eight vigintillion, one hundred seventy-five novemdecillion, one hundred seventy octodecillion, nine hundred forty-three septendecillion, eight hundred seventy-eight sexdecillion, five hundred seventy-one quindecillion, six hundred sixty quattuordecillion, six hundred thirty-six tredecillion, eight hundred fifty-six duodecillion, four hundred three undecillion, seven hundred sixty-six decillion, nine hundred seventy-five nonillion, two hundred eighty-nine octillion, five hundred five septillion, four hundred forty sextillion, eight hundred eighty-three quintillion, two hundred seventy-seven quadrillion, eight hundred twenty-four trillion

    … and yet it happens literally every single time a pack of cards is shuffled.
    The reason I haven’t proven that shuffling cards is operationally impossible, and you haven’t proven the state of the universe is impossible without god, is because it is an entirely back to front approach to probabilities. You are assigning significance to events which have already happened based on the low prior probability. The same logic would have to force us to conclude that card shuffling is miraculous. Absolutely mundane everyday events have astronomical probabilities of happening by chance, and they do happen, all day, every day.

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    In science, anything with a probability below 1 in 10^70 is operationally impossible.


    Add the jokers, and shuffling this 54 card deck is operationally impossible according to you. Obviously something is not right here.
  • Challenge
     Reply #184 - June 28, 2016, 09:41 PM

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    I CANNOT believe that because our planet permits life to exist out of the other millions; billions or even trillions of other planets in the observable and unknown parts of the Universe

    A Muslim, are you suggesting that our planet is the only planet, that ever has, does, or will, have life on it? And that our universe is the only universe that has, does or will exist? Because they would be very religiously arrogant beliefs to hold.

    PS I will read your replies, just not necessarily as soon as others.
  • Challenge
     Reply #185 - June 29, 2016, 01:14 AM

    No. I am not suggesting that. I am continuing on with what, 'ibn Bilal' said in his previous post. Please, read it for more context. However, scientists are trying to find new planets which may be able to host life, and they believe they have probably done so by finding planet, 'Kepler-69c', 'Kepler-62e' and 'Kepler-62f'. They cannot confirm this though, as they do not know anything definitive about their compositions or atmosphere. Here's a good read on how the Earth is a unique planet in the Universe on permitting life: https://gyazo.com/a5a7ba1bea4df52e7d4ccb2c37281bf2 https://gyazo.com/2fda299fefc212fe6c430d50a6d9eb1e https://gyazo.com/9ba79d567032b8988c923a1ea248cac1 https://gyazo.com/af44d405c5691fe2c5c9c2cdffce8144 https://gyazo.com/4c5ec7d09f175b7aa959e3e0e8e15f69 https://gyazo.com/a7bb60b0ad303a09857b5f16f00dcf9b

    Ahl as-sunnah wal-jamāʻah and following the way of the Salaf. - nope, not anymore.
  • Challenge
     Reply #186 - June 29, 2016, 02:02 AM

    Right... There's also no proof that a man called Bob didn't exist a thousand years ago. Do you know how I know that? Duh... I can't substantiate the evidence that he did! Really?


    So if you're happy to acknowledge that there's no evidence to support islamic claims and thus no reason to believe them, I don't understand the point of your challenge.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Challenge
     Reply #187 - June 29, 2016, 12:38 PM

    I agree with this ^

    There is no point to this challenge since no one can prove Islam is false nor prove it's true.

    It's simply a matter of faith.

    Wouldn't you agree A Muslim?
  • Challenge
     Reply #188 - June 29, 2016, 03:58 PM

    So if you're happy to acknowledge that there's no evidence to support islamic claims and thus no reason to believe them, I don't understand the point of your challenge.

    As of now, there is no evidence to support that a man called, 'Moses' ever existed. However, this doesn't mean that he didn't. By the way, please, do not mix this case with all, ''islamic claims''.

    Ahl as-sunnah wal-jamāʻah and following the way of the Salaf. - nope, not anymore.
  • Challenge
     Reply #189 - June 29, 2016, 03:59 PM

    I agree with this ^

    There is no point to this challenge since no one can prove Islam is false nor prove it's true.

    It's simply a matter of faith.

    Wouldn't you agree A Muslim?

    Not necessarily. But, if you all believe that to be true, then I'll be leaving this thread. Peace.

    Ahl as-sunnah wal-jamāʻah and following the way of the Salaf. - nope, not anymore.
  • Challenge
     Reply #190 - June 29, 2016, 04:16 PM

    ..................then I'll be leaving this thread. ...............

    what is that thing A Muslim., is that emotional black mail??  you seem to be trying to throw threats  on the folks of the forum like the  parents giving threats to their  children   Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Challenge
     Reply #191 - June 29, 2016, 04:40 PM

    Not necessarily.


    Are you saying you can prove Islam is true?
  • Challenge
     Reply #192 - June 29, 2016, 05:30 PM

    Are you saying you can prove Islam is true?


    Now you've done it Hassan...

    Incoming 'scientific' Quranic verses!
  • Challenge
     Reply #193 - June 29, 2016, 05:43 PM

    Circular reasoning is not a valid proof.

    (Nor are recycled arguments from christian creationism)
  • Challenge
     Reply #194 - June 29, 2016, 06:26 PM

    As of now, there is no evidence to support that a man called, 'Moses' ever existed. However, this doesn't mean that he didn't. By the way, please, do not mix this case with all, ''islamic claims''.


    You seem to ignore that its not just Moses that lacks evidence but the whole Hebrews in Egypt, captivity (slavery) and conquest. This is a period of 400 years...
  • Challenge
     Reply #195 - June 29, 2016, 06:35 PM



    A youtube video is not evidence son. Do you know what evidence is? Hoffmeier says nothing new and produces no evidence. Repeating an idea built on insufficient evidence does not make it true.
  • Challenge
     Reply #196 - June 29, 2016, 06:38 PM

    I recommend you go to the corner of your room, sit down and cry like the little baby you are, as that hilarious reply won't change anything. The point stands.


    Your point is nonsense since neither you nor Craig provide sources. Tipler's work is not peer-reviewed, hence why it was published as a book and it is rejected by many for being philosophical not scientific thus not in the field. Try again son.
  • Challenge
     Reply #197 - June 29, 2016, 06:48 PM

    Here's a great piece on the issue: ''We can calculate all the ways the universe could be disastrously ill-suited for life if the masses of these particles were different. For example, if the down quark’s mass were 2.6 x 10-26 grams or more, then adios, periodic table! There would be just one chemical element and no chemical compounds, in stark contrast to the approximately 60 million known chemical compounds in our universe.

    Again no source. Big numbers are scary therefore God.

    With even smaller adjustments to these masses, we can make universes in which the only stable element is hydrogen-like. Once again, kiss your chemistry textbook goodbye, as we would be left with one type of atom and one chemical reaction. If the up quark weighed 2.4 x 10-26 grams, things would be even worse — a universe of only neutrons, with no elements, no atoms, and no chemistry whatsoever.

    The universe we happen to have is so surprising under the Standard Model because the fundamental particles of which atoms are composed are, in the words of cosmologist Leonard Susskind, “absurdly light.” Compared to the range of possible masses that the particles described by the Standard Model could have, the range that avoids these kinds of complexity-obliterating disasters is extremely small. Imagine a huge chalkboard, with each point on the board representing a possible value for the up and down quark masses. If we wanted to color the parts of the board that support the chemistry that underpins life, and have our handiwork visible to the human eye, the chalkboard would have to be about ten light years (a hundred trillion kilometers) high. That’s just for the masses of some of the fundamental particles.''



    Again no source. Big numbers are scary therefore God.
  • Challenge
     Reply #198 - June 29, 2016, 06:53 PM

    Here is a great academic piece on 2:223 of the Qur'an: http://goo.gl/oZuiJx

    Towards 33:59, what's wrong? The purpose is given, ''that they should be known and not molested''. Other translations do say, ''abused'', but I would accept it to be somewhat the same thing. In all, this is for the betterment of the female in being protected from many evils. It is also for purposes of the female to have recognition, safety and honor.


    That isn't academic. It is a well worded piece by an apologist posted on a apologist website. answering-christianity isn't an academic institution. You do not even know what academic means...
  • Challenge
     Reply #199 - June 29, 2016, 07:02 PM

    This is my view: I believe that God superseded this planet in creation, to allow it to bare life for us to exist. I CANNOT believe that because our planet permits life to exist out of the other millions; billions or even trillions of other planets in the observable and unknown parts of the Universe, this makes it a complete coincidence. How can you believe that? ''We are here now, it's just chance''. If you want to believe that, fine. I can't come to that conclusion. Sorry.


    Then you previous math is useless as you used it as an attempt to establish the physical laws for life to exist require God. Tweaking the planet undermines your claim Also you had to inject a miracle claim because you can not accept "chance" You use math and science when it helps your position, you ignore it when it doesn't.

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    By the way, there is a difference in: making a mistake, and a difference in choosing not to give other planets the same properties in order for them to also bare life.


    You can demonstrate other planets have no life? I eagerly await you published and peer-reviewed paper arguing your case that there is life only on Earth and nowhere else. After all you are making a claim that all other planet have no life.
  • Challenge
     Reply #200 - June 30, 2016, 01:41 AM

    That isn't academic. It is a well worded piece by an apologist posted on a apologist website. answering-christianity isn't an academic institution. You do not even know what academic means...

    It is uploaded on, 'Answering-Christianity.com'. The author that wrote the piece isn't from Answering-Christianity.

    Ahl as-sunnah wal-jamāʻah and following the way of the Salaf. - nope, not anymore.
  • Challenge
     Reply #201 - June 30, 2016, 01:43 AM

    Then you previous math is useless as you used it as an attempt to establish the physical laws for life to exist require God. Tweaking the planet undermines your claim Also you had to inject a miracle claim because you can not accept "chance" You use math and science when it helps your position, you ignore it when it doesn't.

    You can demonstrate other planets have no life? I eagerly await you published and peer-reviewed paper arguing your case that there is life only on Earth and nowhere else. After all you are making a claim that all other planet have no life.

    No, I didn't. Please, re-read what I said previously: ''No. I am not suggesting that. I am continuing on with what, 'ibn Bilal' said in his previous post. Please, read it for more context. However, scientists are trying to find new planets which may be able to host life, and they believe they have probably done so by finding planet, 'Kepler-69c', 'Kepler-62e' and 'Kepler-62f'. They cannot confirm this though, as they do not know anything definitive about their compositions or atmosphere. Here's a good read on how the Earth is a unique planet in the Universe on permitting life: https://gyazo.com/a5a7ba1bea4df52e7d4ccb2c37281bf2 https://gyazo.com/2fda299fefc212fe6c430d50a6d9eb1e https://gyazo.com/9ba79d567032b8988c923a1ea248cac1 https://gyazo.com/af44d405c5691fe2c5c9c2cdffce8144 https://gyazo.com/4c5ec7d09f175b7aa959e3e0e8e15f69 https://gyazo.com/a7bb60b0ad303a09857b5f16f00dcf9b ''.

    Ahl as-sunnah wal-jamāʻah and following the way of the Salaf. - nope, not anymore.
  • Challenge
     Reply #202 - June 30, 2016, 11:36 AM

    No, I didn't. Please, re-read what I said previously: ''No. I am not suggesting that. I am continuing on with what, 'ibn Bilal' said in his previous post. Please, read it for more context. However, scientists are trying to find new planets which may be able to host life, and they believe they have probably done so by finding planet, 'Kepler-69c', 'Kepler-62e' and 'Kepler-62f'. They cannot confirm this though, as they do not know anything definitive about their compositions or atmosphere.

    Quote

    '.

    let me cut off he gibberish from your post ., now where did you get all those nonsense links A Muslim?  from  these fools?


    so what   Earth is a unique planet in the Universe ?  do yo know you are a unique person among   7 billion or so human beings? I am  sure you understand that but I don't think those idiots at   that "Creation Research Institute "  could comprehend that simple fact.  

    And How does earth  being unique proves  that there is a heeeeeeee of these  stupid religious books and nut cases that believe in those silly books  created the planet earth ?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Challenge
     Reply #203 - June 30, 2016, 11:50 AM

    Not so many years ago, our solar system was the only one with known planets.
    (But you know, there was still life on one in eight known planets (depending on how you consider Pluto))
    Then it was a sensation when the first exoplanets were found, and now we are close to finding a new exoplanet a day.
    Want to see the list: http://exoplanetarchive.ipac.caltech.edu/
    (No, none of them are mentioned in any of the iron age scriptures, dictated by the all-knowing magic entity)
    we have found 3285 so far.

    If we look for planets that could have "life as we know it" (notice the "as we know it" part) it must have an approximately earth-like size and temperature.
    There are 8 of those identified so far (one actually being earth. We are pretty sure that there is life here. Whether it is intelligent or not is an open topic).
    If you are more optimistic/hopeful there are a further 25 known exoplanets that maybe could have life.

    Ahaaa, I hear you squeal triumphantly between the soft bumps of forehead against prayer rug:
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    "And not one of those have been proven to have life, and only a small fraction are considered candidates! Allaaaaahu Snackbar, there is no life anywhere but on earth (insert scripture of your own choice here)".


    The thing is, that we have so far seen, that it is pretty normal to have planets in all sizes around stars.
    The problem is, that other stars are so annoyingly far away and pretty shiny, and the planets are much smaller than the stars.
    We have only imaged a very few directly.
    The other have been found by indirect methods, primarily by measuring the light from the star, seeing a small dip when the planet passes in front of it and by seeing it "wobble" because of the circling planets.
    These methods favor finding large planets, the smaller ones (earth-like size) simply not being large enough to get above the detection limit.
    That does not mean that they are not there, it just means, that we can't see them.

    We have so far managed to land things on the Moon, Mars, Venus, Titan, one comet and two asteroids. We have not found (nor really expected to find) life any of those places.

    regarding life on earth, it was thought to be frail an choosy about where to be possible, but we have found life in some form or another in all but the most extreme places.
    It seems that life is almost a consequence of thermodynamics, not that it is existing in spite of it.

  • Challenge
     Reply #204 - June 30, 2016, 07:21 PM

    It is uploaded on, 'Answering-Christianity.com'. The author that wrote the piece isn't from Answering-Christianity.


    The article is still from a nobody published by an unknown organization. Academic does not mean well written.  The point still stands be it an unknown author, unknown as a nobody, or you inability to research anything beyond aplogists websites.
  • Challenge
     Reply #205 - June 30, 2016, 07:30 PM

    No, I didn't. Please, re-read what I said previously: ''No. I am not suggesting that. I am continuing on with what, 'ibn Bilal' said in his previous post. Please, read it for more context. However, scientists are trying to find new planets which may be able to host life, and they believe they have probably done so by finding planet, 'Kepler-69c', 'Kepler-62e' and 'Kepler-62f'. They cannot confirm this though, as they do not know anything definitive about their compositions or atmosphere. Here's a good read on how the Earth is a unique planet in the Universe on permitting life: https://gyazo.com/a5a7ba1bea4df52e7d4ccb2c37281bf2 https://gyazo.com/2fda299fefc212fe6c430d50a6d9eb1e https://gyazo.com/9ba79d567032b8988c923a1ea248cac1 https://gyazo.com/af44d405c5691fe2c5c9c2cdffce8144 https://gyazo.com/4c5ec7d09f175b7aa959e3e0e8e15f69 https://gyazo.com/a7bb60b0ad303a09857b5f16f00dcf9b ''.


    You still make a positive statement that Earth was "modified" to support life thus other planets can not support life without this modification. There is a difference between "we have found no other life" with your "other planets can not support life" You are making a claim that your "science" statements do not support.

    You links are non-sequiturs. It uses basic principles in an attempt to establish probability of evolution happening. It declares this probability low but hedge this statement be using "chance" Creationist always use "chance" as this allows them to ignore there are mechanics involved as mechanics show "chance" doesn't happen. Having mechanic such as natural selection renders chance moot as "chance" in philosophy is indeterminism. A mechanic is determinism. I guess you have no idea what chance means.. So they setup a strawman argument to knockdown. They then assign a probability of 1 to God in order to resolve this answer yet there is no reason nor evidence to accept the probability of 1 for God. Also low probability does not mean it can not happen. A God need not be involved to resolve low probability. You seem to think it is required.

    Yawn. You do not understand what you have read and accepted in your ignorance since it confirms to your bias.
  • Challenge
     Reply #206 - July 01, 2016, 12:11 AM

    alright let me ask you this why didnt mohammad COMPPLETELY abolish slavery
  • Challenge
     Reply #207 - July 01, 2016, 12:16 AM

    wait nvm he left the forum lmao
  • Challenge
     Reply #208 - July 01, 2016, 01:56 AM

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    alright let me ask you this why didnt mohammad COMPPLETELY abolish slavery

    wait nvm he left the forum lmao


    So what Coolester ? I will answer your questions for A Muslim.,  So  Q & A

    Q: why didn't mohammad COMPPLETELY abolish slavery

    Ans: for the same reason that  earlier prophets of god such as Jesus and Moses DID NOT COMPPLETELY abolish slavery..

    next question please.....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Challenge
     Reply #209 - July 01, 2016, 07:26 AM

    If the prophets/religious teachings who are claimed to be against slavery really were, it would be pretty easy to make it clear.
    The texts are pretty clear on a lot of other subjects, why not this?

    Book of Bob:
    1:1 No man nor woman shall own another man or woman.
    1:2 It shall be called slavery, and it shall not be done.
    1:3 For it is an abomination, and really pisses off your Lord and Creator.
    1:4 You shall tell other people too, that they should not do it either.
    1:5 If at first they do not get it, you shall put a big stick to their buttocks.
    1:6 For it will please your Lord, not to see slavery of any kind
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