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  • Question: Do you think Britain should leave the EU?  (Voting closed: March 18, 2016, 08:18 PM)
  • Yes - 9 (42.9%)
  • No - 12 (57.1%)
  • Undecided - 0 (0%)
  • Total Voters: 21

 Topic: Brexit - yes or no?

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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #210 - June 26, 2016, 01:08 PM

    If you really are as bloody-mindedly complacent as you make out, good for you.


    What are you even talking about? Grow up for goodness sake and stop lashing out like a child.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #211 - June 26, 2016, 01:12 PM

    what is happening here?  ..damn people from London have become very emotional on that issue.,

    After all it is 48 to 51 .,  it is very close ., as long as some DICK TRAITORS and dickheads  don't rule that country and aslong as  elections are held regularly .,  some time the other guys can win and revers it.

    what is the big deal? 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #212 - June 26, 2016, 01:17 PM

    Canada certainly doesn't allow free movement of people - has something changed?*

    *Not yet signed


    Hopefully it is never signed.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #213 - June 26, 2016, 01:22 PM

    what is happening here?  ..damn people from London have become very emotional on that issue.,

    After all it is 48 to 51 .,  it is very close ., as long as some DICK TRAITORS and dickheads  don't rule that country and aslong as  elections are held regularly .,  some time the other guys can win and revers it.

    what is the big deal? 


    Not that simple Yeez.  If the UK invokes Article 50 and leaves, any future government that wishes to rejoin the EU will have to negotiate their way back in, which will mean no more British opt outs of things like the euro and the Schengen zone.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #214 - June 26, 2016, 01:23 PM

    What are you even talking about? Grow up for goodness sake and stop lashing out like a child.


    Please, continue to assume that your mastery of the passive-aggressive patronising voice will shield you against what's to come in the rest of the country. As of right now, all it's doing in here is making you sound like a colossal dick.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #215 - June 26, 2016, 01:25 PM

    Not necessarily. The EU's economy could go down the drain or seem stable when it is not. UK could have a smaller economy but could be more stable. It depend on what is happening at the time not what is happening right now.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #216 - June 26, 2016, 01:25 PM

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    Please, continue to assume that your mastery of the passive-aggressive patronising voice will shield you against what's to come in the rest of the country. As of right now, all it's doing in here is making you sound like a colossal dick.


    Leave my big dick out of it!!!  dance


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #217 - June 26, 2016, 01:30 PM

    I would, but it's apparently taken up more oxygen than is sensible for the rest of your vital organs. Call it a health intervention.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #218 - June 26, 2016, 01:41 PM

    It wouldn't surprise me if some fudge is reached on the lines of joining the EEA like Norway.  Brexiters will be massively disappointed of course because they will still have freedom of movement.


    Oh that is likely to happen, because continued access to the single market is essential for our economy and for EU exporters to the UK. But Norway and Switzerland have to allow free movement of labour and contribute to the EU budget for this, removing the two main planks of the Leave campaign. They do not however have any say in EU regulations which they have to follow. UK unlikely to get better terms, because the EU is pretty angry with it.

    So, yes, emphasises the futility of the Leave campaign.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #219 - June 26, 2016, 01:48 PM

    The funny thing is, by resigning and refusing to invoke Article 50 before he goes, David Cameron has left it to his successor to break the bad news.  His successor will presumably be a prominent Brexiter, Boris or Gove most likely.  So one of those will soon have to tell the British people that they're now Norway.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #220 - June 26, 2016, 03:33 PM

    Brexit plans: https://mobile.twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/747060565839839240
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #221 - June 26, 2016, 03:49 PM

    urban thread on post-referendum racial abuse: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/people-getting-racially-abused-because-of-the-referendum-result.345177/
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #222 - June 26, 2016, 05:00 PM

    Is everyone a racist?

    Voting to leave seems very drastic and tragic, but the argument seems to just fall into "racism". Does that mean taking full control of your border = racist? Is everything that isn't full liberalism = racism/facism now? Is the whole world racist? If everyone is racist, then who is?

    Maybe if immigration issues are properly talked about without name-calling (making compromises that can make both sides happy), this wouldn't happen. Now they're doing everything they can just to get their voices heard on immigration issues.

    I doubt apocalypse will happen, though we're really watching history being made now...
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #223 - June 26, 2016, 05:05 PM

    The more intelligent of the Leave side (politicians and voters) are now becoming aware of the enormity of what they have done, and the political and economic damage.

    Brexit may still never happenhttp://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/people-are-really-really-hoping-this-theory-about-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #224 - June 26, 2016, 05:07 PM

    I would, but it's apparently taken up more oxygen than is sensible for the rest of your vital organs. Call it a health intervention.


    Nothing meaningful to say...only bitterness and insults that say more about you than they ever could about me. Either come up with a reason counter-argument or go and play in the playpen.

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    There will always be racists/xenophobes in any country from across all sections of society. What is the civilized response? It is not whine, cry and throw a tantrum whilst slinging insults. It's to ahve rational debate, open a dialogue and engage with the issues. Fight fear with facts. Ignorance with knowledge.

    Interestingly, UKIP received 12.6% of the popular vote in 2015 if we assume that those are the hardcore racists are we then to say in the matter of months the number of racists tripled or quadrupled to vote the immigrants out of Europe? The Leave vote stands at 52% and though a percentage of them would have been represented by xenophobes it would be silly to caricature them all.

    There is also no indication of the veracity of such stories cited. I know some asians and blacks who voted leave for reasons to do with lack of jobs, overcrowded schools and services and some working in the NHS and the police that see aspects of the story many of us will never see.


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #225 - June 26, 2016, 05:10 PM

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    The more intelligent of the Leave side (politicians and voters) are now becoming aware of the enormity of what they have done, and the political and economic damage.


    Ofcourse, if they were intelligent they would've been aware anyway.  whistling2

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #226 - June 26, 2016, 05:15 PM

    Nothing meaningful to say...only bitterness and insults that say more about you than they ever could about me. Either come up with a reason counter-argument or go and play in the playpen.


    If you recall, my initial response was to this:

    I love the doomsday scenarios. Keep them coming please....


    And the bit you quote was a reply to this:

    Leave my big dick out of it!!!  dance


    Heed your own advice for once, or look into a mirror. Your call.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #227 - June 26, 2016, 05:17 PM

  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #228 - June 26, 2016, 05:21 PM

    you guys are chit-chating, heckling each other and discussing something far away from what happened in London..

    EU referendum: Jeremy Corbyn under pressure amid top team revolt says BBC news..

    Scottish leader threatens to veto Brexit

    Germany warns FIVE more countries could leave Europe after Brexit

    ISIS calls for attacks in Berlin and Brussels to 'paralyse' Europe in wake of Brexit chaos

    Tony Blair talks to Andrew Marr about #Brexit, Iraq, ISIS, Chilcot & Corbyn.

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #229 - June 26, 2016, 05:32 PM

    Now, this is terrible of course.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-36633388


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #230 - June 26, 2016, 05:34 PM

    If you recall, my initial response was to this:

    And the bit you quote was a reply to this:

    Heed your own advice for once, or look into a mirror. Your call.


    If you remember your replies where extraordinarily childish and personal attacks. Either contribute something meaningful when engaging with me or get lost. Next time, leave my genitalia out of it.  mysmilie_977

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

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  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #231 - June 26, 2016, 05:39 PM



    There's a fair bit of it going on: https://mobile.twitter.com/JakubKrupa

    Also: https://mobile.twitter.com/b0redinbucks
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    waking home, see these men laid out on the floor, thought they were drunk,took a photo, turns out they've been

    battered senseless by "english man english man", a son and his dad, dads unconscious. blood everywhere. ffs.

    @aroueno no idea my god, "english man english man beat me" they're polish. ones unconscious other battered

    this referendum, this division, this racism, this bigotry, this disgrace. had enough of it.

    father has a broken arm, and possible neck trauma, son has severe facial fractures, broken jaw and nose. my god.

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    update: just heard from the the victims nephew that his grandad is ok, but his uncle has a "bleed on the brain" & is in a bad way. pray.



  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #232 - June 26, 2016, 05:54 PM

    Ofcourse, if they were intelligent they would've been aware anyway.  whistling2


    Be honest,  if you have the chance to vote again, would you take the same option?
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #233 - June 26, 2016, 06:11 PM

    Andrew Marr summed up pretty well, why we as a country voted to leave the EU in his show, this morning.
    His review starts at 05:00. He then hands over to Andrew Neil, who presents the Daily Politics show, who gives a summary of what's going on in wider Europe. Next is the paper review with more good comment on what's going on.

    Interesting to see that Andrew Marr wore a bright blue tie, that matches the leave parts of the map!
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #234 - June 26, 2016, 06:33 PM



    That's disgusting. The Polish who live and work here, have done nothing wrong. They are in fact, bloody hard workers and do a good job too.

    What I will say though, again from my transport perspective, is that EU drivers are most certainly viewed as taking British jobs and work. An example: Polish driver with a new, PL plated curtainside van, moves to the UK to work. They live in their van, following work around the country where ever it takes them. They eat, sleep and piss in their van (seen those bottles full if yellow liquid in the roadside?). They go home to Poland perhaps 1 week in 4, meanwhile sending home the child support they're getting as well as most of their income, as they only need to pay for a small room in an overcrowded HMO, as they're never there anyway. Pay a visit to any industrial site and you'll see what I mean: PL & RO & other vans and trucks all parked together, waiting for the next job that they can under charge for to make their next bit of money.

    Meanwhile the British, self employed, courier owner driver, can't get a look in as they're being priced out of work. Many, many good, established and reliable drivers are quitting, because they can't compete with the EU drivers who can afford to charge less and still make good money for their families back in their home countries. This is what I know about, first hand, from the transport industry. Now think of the other trades, where the same thing is happening.

    This may make me sound "racist" or "xenophobic". I'm neither. They're lovely people, on the whole, and as I said they're bloody hard workers who could teach a lot of lazy arse Brits a thing or three about work ethic. But, the FACT remains, that because if free movement in the EU, they are able to come here and under cut British traders to the extent they're actually putting Brits out of work. Is that fair? Is that giving us in the UK a level playing field? Of course not.

    Having said all this, I am ABSOLUTELY NOT blaming people from poorer EU countries from coming here to work. It's their right so they're doing nothing wrong. If I were in their shoes, I'd do it too. If I could go to Poland and drive 800 miles a week for 3 weeks a month and make more than I ever could here, I'd do it.

    This is why things have to change. The EU, quite simply, DOES NOT WORK as it was intended to. I'm not against Polish or Romanian or Latvian or any other workers, if they follow the law. But I sure as hell am against the laws that allow them to come here and put British workers out of the jobs they've done all their lives.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #235 - June 26, 2016, 06:47 PM

    Be honest,  if you have the chance to vote again, would you take the same option?

    Depends what we're to happen between now and your proposed vote. Not that it is realistically going to happen, of course. But I probably would vote out again. We can't sustainably continue propping up other countries. Things are changing now, that's for sure.

    I'm interested to hear though, from people in neighbouring EU countries - the picture I painted above about EU workers pricing Brits out of work, is that happening in Germany and France and Holland and Belgium as well?
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #236 - June 26, 2016, 08:39 PM

    Jrg I agree, Brussels has underestimated too much the effects of this migration. Quotas should have been kept 50 years from now. And the effects of these policies are even worse for East European countries.

    We are very fast running out of specialists. Everyone's leaving for the West. Every student wants to finish his master in UK and remain there afterwards.  If you are a doctor and you know little french you can have a guaranteed job in France. My mother had to wait 1 year for a surgery. Entire villages have moved out in Spain or Italy with only old people left. 50 years from now we will be half we are now.

    Still, by leaving even if(a big if) you are going to solve some problems, make sure you will create dozens more.
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #237 - June 26, 2016, 11:21 PM

    #PostRefRacism
  • Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #238 - June 27, 2016, 12:01 AM

    The Prime Minister and Chancellor who initiated this sorry nonsense are nowhere to be seen, the Leave campaigners have no plan because they did not expect to win and are now secretly horrified at the implications, the opposition Labour party are in a state of fratricide trying to remove a useless leader who won’t go,  the only competent leader wants to break up the country, and the EU will not negotiate until the article requesting leaving is invoked (which no one here is in a fit condition to do).

    Meanwhile the country is evenly divided between (in the other half’s eyes) supercilious snobs who won’t accept a democratic decision v ignorant yobs who did not know what they were voting for, with rising levels of anger approaching the atmosphere preceding a civil war. Meanwhile The economy is tanking, dragging down much of the rest of the world, and the precedent is empowering far right semi- or actual fascists across the world.

    A week ago I was living in a successful developed country which was widely respected, especially as a long standing mature democracy.

    Now I am living in a madhouse.
  • Re: Brexit - yes or no?
     Reply #239 - June 27, 2016, 12:45 AM

    Ignore Fintan O'Toole, he's a dick.

    Fair nuff. Afro

    Devious, treacherous, murderous, neanderthal, sub-human of the West. bunny
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