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  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     OP - January 01, 2016, 10:18 PM
    Yesterday I met a colleague who had studied Islamic religion an the Quran.
    After greeting each other, he said " what will happen to Egypt in the future?"
    I didn't want to talk or comment, just to listen so I replied What do you think.
    He answered "Actually I don't care because everything I witness is written in the Quran.
    If you read Quran deeply and consciously, you will find all answers and solutions to what we are suffering today."
    I smiled and said " Do you think so?"
    He replied : " definitely. I studied Islamic studies and the Quran itself and now I live in relief and comfort. I don't care for the worldly desires. The world has no goodness or comfort, the most important success in the hereafter".

    Slowly we moved in discussion to the politics in Egypt and we talked about what happened between Sisi and Morsi.
    He declared his opinion clearly that he didn't prefer any one, both seek the power not religion. He added that I don't care about them or who is right or wrong because they don't adopt Sharia laws and both were not chosen according to the Islamic obvious system and rules.

    Then we moved to discuss the Quran itself, the history of Muhammad and his companions.
    When I talked about Muhammad's marriage stories... etc, he interrupted me and said all these bullshits were old stories and Muslim Imams had discussed, analysed and answered it clearly.
    He kept insisting that you must go back to the Quran and you will find all answers and peace.
    He quoted many verses of the Quran to support his words.

    Suddenly I asked about his opinion about Ex-Muslims and I quoted many stories and events I myself experienced with Muslims and Imams. I added that the world of the Quran is not related to the real world we live.
    You don't care about what is happening in the country or in the world. You created your own imaginary world which you derived fro the Quran and you live happily in that world.
    I asked him to show me any place or group of people where they are practicing the Quran philosophy.
    I declared my opinion clearly that the Quran is just words as the writings of Plato and Aristotle.
    I quoted the war that was launched between the companions of Muhammad themselves.
    Although they were pious and witness the miracles of Muhammad and the Quran but they had fought and killed each other. Why didn't they adhere to the Quran itself to solve their own problems?

    Actually I was talking to someone who as he said doesn't care about anything in our world.
    He kept repeating everything is mentioned in the Quran, what is happening around me in Egypt and the world was mentioned in the Quran and Islam and this is why I keep sticking to the Quran.
    I stopped the discussion and looked at him closely trying to find how he is living in his own world.
    How he managed to create his own imaginary world and is satisfied with it as he mentioned.
    I walked away from him and remembered "Religion is the opium of the people"
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #1 - January 01, 2016, 11:15 PM
    Are you in Egypt or Egyptian? Whatever happens in Egypt, it would seem to have a large impact on the muslim world.
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #2 - January 02, 2016, 02:17 AM
    Pretty much how sharia-loving crowd think in Indonesia as well.

    People who believe in sharia seem to think that their problems will all disappear if only sharia is 100% implemented. If you mention Islamic problems in Indonesia, they'll say it's because not enough sharia, not enough Islam. Then you mention more strict sharia like Saudi Arabia then they say it's not Sharia, have nothing to do with Islam. Somethingsomething using Islam for power. Corrupt politicans? Wow they'd definitely not exist in "real" sharia.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

    Really? Keep on living in your magic wonderland, dude. Islam is political and all about power. Mo was a warlord himself. Two can't be separated, especially not with sharia implemented. Sharia is about making Islam in power.  finmad
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #3 - January 02, 2016, 02:25 AM
    Quote from: Skywalker on January 01, 2016, 11:15 PM
    Are you in Egypt or Egyptian? Whatever happens in Egypt, it would seem to have a large impact on the muslim world.


    Both I am Egyptian and live in Egypt.
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #4 - January 02, 2016, 04:52 AM
    You know, I think there's little to no difference between the Egyptian State and the Muslim Brotherhood when it comes to Sharia. Would you agree?

    Did you learn about Sharia in school?
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #5 - January 02, 2016, 06:26 AM
    Quote from: Helaine on January 02, 2016, 02:17 AM
    Pretty much how sharia-loving crowd think in Indonesia as well.

    People who believe in sharia seem to think that their problems will all disappear if only sharia is 100% implemented. If you mention Islamic problems in Indonesia, they'll say it's because not enough sharia, not enough Islam. Then you mention more strict sharia like Saudi Arabia then they say it's not Sharia, have nothing to do with Islam. Somethingsomething using Islam for power. Corrupt politicans? Wow they'd definitely not exist in "real" sharia.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

    Really? Keep on living in your magic wonderland, dude. Islam is political and all about power. Mo was a warlord himself. Two can't be separated, especially not with sharia implemented. Sharia is about making Islam in power.  finmad



    All you mentioned above is the same in Egypt. Muslims think that they are the best and Allah loves them and will send them to heaven because they are Muslims. Even you steal, kill or rape, at the end Allah forgives you.
    It doesn't matter if you cheat someone or get his money illegally, just pray and everything will be OK.
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #6 - January 02, 2016, 06:29 AM
    Quote from: Skywalker on January 02, 2016, 04:52 AM
    You know, I think there's little to no difference between the Egyptian State and the Muslim Brotherhood when it comes to Sharia. Would you agree?

    Did you learn about Sharia in school?


    Yes I learnt about it in school, Besides, I am working s  teacher in AL-AZHAR.
    Do you know AL-AZHAR?
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #7 - January 02, 2016, 06:43 AM
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    Yes I learnt about it in school, Besides, I am working s  teacher in AL-AZHAR.
    Do you know AL-AZHAR?

    Yep...wow you work as a teacher in in Al-Azhar?! Do you think there are more like you in Al-Azhar?

    Moreover, what do think about what I said earlier
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    I think there's little to no difference between the Egyptian State and the Muslim Brotherhood when it comes to Sharia. Would you agree?

  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #8 - January 02, 2016, 10:24 AM
    I don't about others as I didn't declare my non faith publicly for my safety and my family as well.

    as for your question, I think both are using Sharia to get the power and touch the audience.
    The Middle east nations are completely different from those in the west.
    Nations mean all people all religions.
    Religion here is the main factor to form our character. People judge you according to your religious attitudes.
    To criticise or express any opinion against the religion is not acceptable.
    The West characterizes the Christ in movies, catoons and even porn movie.
    However, here you are not allowed to imagine to draw a picture of Muhammad.
    Those who are in power are very aware to that affect and never approach that taboo. When we studied our history during the French campain against Egypt, we had studied that Napoleon claimed that he was a Muslim and visited mosques regularly to prove to the Egyptians his goodness.
    Yes , all cling to Sharia to be in power and control people.
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #9 - January 02, 2016, 11:23 AM
    Why do you keep posting topics in introductions?
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #10 - January 02, 2016, 02:08 PM
    Where should I post my topics?
    I don't know.
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #11 - January 05, 2016, 09:57 PM
    Sometimes I ask myself, if I were the God - Allah - and created the human beings for test and at the end of the test I am going to send some to heaven and the others to hell.
    Why don't I stop that test - which I call GAME - after all blood and wars? Why I continue?
    Why so many religions and prophets? what is the aim?
    Why I want people to suffer?
  • "Religion is the opium of the people"
     Reply #12 - February 05, 2016, 05:34 PM
    Quote from: Free mind on January 02, 2016, 02:08 PM
    Where should I post my topics?
    I don't know.


    You can use "The Lounge" or "Ex-Muslim Blogs and Bios"
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