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  • #ExMuslimBecause
     OP - November 21, 2015, 11:04 PM

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/ExMuslimBecause

    This hashtag is trending on twitter at the moment. Ex-muslims from various backgrounds are testifying why they left Islam. Muslims are obviously in denial, because the religion they were indoctrinated with during childhood is of course perfect (while all other religions have their fair share of imperfections  Roll Eyes ). And then there is backlash from the islamophobia brigade. Obviously what they really want, is to stifle criticism of the negative aspects of Islam, but can not outright say that, so they are saying the timing is bad and such shit.

    Meanwhile in Pakistan, Ahmadis are being attacked (again) due to allegations of blasphemy. Of course it has nothing to do with Islam and its blasphemy/apostasy laws.
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #1 - November 22, 2015, 01:21 AM

    Let's see what wonders that link brings. popcorn

    Edit: First tweet -

    Richard DawkinsVerified account ‏@RichardDawkins  16 hrs16 hours ago
    People are saying #ExMuslimBecause is "hateful". How can telling people why you left a religion be "hate"? By what bizarrely twisted logic?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #2 - November 22, 2015, 11:59 AM

    The Islamophobia brigade are pissing me off with their rudeness and denial. It's like, "was how dare they make this hashtag was".
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #3 - November 22, 2015, 12:23 PM

    The Islamophobia brigade are pissing me off with their rudeness and denial. It's like, "was how dare they make this hashtag was".

    Hello Bolton34........ well  that means that "Islamophobia brigade" is successful in their work and in their words..  

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #4 - November 23, 2015, 10:28 PM

    Here's an article about it:

    #ExMuslimBecause: thousands of former Muslims are speaking out after Paris -- and it's amazing
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #5 - November 24, 2015, 01:20 AM

    was delighted by this hashtag. Looks like it has made a lot of headway/ The most beautiful thing about it is  the number of people saying they didn't know so many other people felt like them and that it has made them so happy.

    Ive not been on hear for a while because Twitter has been such a great place for discourse with people over all kinds of topics and , I got married and bought a new house and all the attendant chaos that entails ( the house,not the marraige,we're cool Smiley  ) so the quick to-ing and fro-ing on twitter is what I am able to do with the time I have.

     Now that I have fallen into the capitalist financial cesspit  I don't have the luxury of long rambling chats (although I may yet use the Rant thread to vent about the madness of london house prices)

    But even if i can#t get on as often you should know that I hold you all in the same high esteem as always. With love and hope in my heart, peace out.


    PS if you get the chance check out #1in5muslims hashtag on twitter , it's hilarious

    According to the polls only 1.6 % of Americans are athiests. So what gives you the right to call the other 80% morons?'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #6 - November 24, 2015, 02:01 AM

    Good to hear from you, congratulations on all of it!

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #7 - November 24, 2015, 03:09 AM

     Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #8 - November 27, 2015, 07:21 PM

    I just posted my video on youtube.  bunny

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKgGoUkwnA&lc=z12njznazt2ddxxso23od1hqapjkxp4pa04

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #9 - November 27, 2015, 08:47 PM

     Afro
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #10 - November 27, 2015, 09:52 PM

    Those tweets are brilliant! And people actually have the nerve to call it "Islamophobia"? SMH
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #11 - November 28, 2015, 01:21 AM

    It's funny how people renouncing Islam is unheard of to Muslims. I remember watching a documentary about Ex-Muslims and when a cleric was asked what is the punishment for apostasy in Islam, the cleric confusingly replied "That is impossible".

  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #12 - November 28, 2015, 06:01 AM


     Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #13 - November 29, 2015, 12:27 PM

    #Exmuslimbecause the Quran is prone to cause havoc and destruction in societies unless interpreted in a certain manner and in a certain context. Yet that message was conveyed by an omniscient god?

    #Exmuslimbecause Islam, the one true religion, also happens to be the most misinterpreted and misuderstood religion of all time, yet there is an omniscient god behind it? Suuuure.

    #Exmuslimsbecause Allah, god with infinite mercy will torture majority of mankind in hell, merely for disbelieving in him.

    #Exmuslimbecause Allah chose to reveal his message in a time where there were no means to properly record said message, which again has lead to numerous "misinterpretations", some more vile than others, yet he, as omniscient, chould not foresee this problem?

    #Exmuslimbecause you need some special kind of logic to believe that Allah is omniscient and omnibenevolent.

    #Exmuslimbecause He could have banned alcohol or slavery, he chose alcohol. End of story.

    Enough of this hate speeh/Islamophobia I guess.
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #14 - November 29, 2015, 02:41 PM

    Maryam Namazie on apologism from the BBC: http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2015/11/29/bbc-exmuslimbecause/
    Quote
    Ayatollah BBC and #ExMuslimBecause

    I was interviewed by Anne-Marie Tomchak for thirty minutes for BBC Trending on 26 November. Despite my also having referred 4 ex-Muslims, including those who maintained anonymity whilst Tweeting for #ExMuslimBecause due to fears for their safety, the programme spoke to Mobeen Azhar and Rashid Dar, two men who identified themselves as Muslims, about my segment which was highly edited for BBC World Service on 28 November.

    The presenter Tomchak and the two Muslim men framed the entire discussion about apostasy and the basic human right to leave and criticise Islam without fear into one that was “hateful,” “bigoted,” “an attack on Muslims,” “Islamophobic,” “opportunistic,” “quite offensive”…

    By doing so, they intentionally blurred the distinction between the criticism of Islam (an idea) and Islamism (a far-Right political movement) with bigotry against Muslims. For far too long, apologists like the BBC have conflated the three in order to silence critics by deeming any criticism of Islam and Islamism as bigotry against people. This despite the fact that Muslims are not a homogeneous community or society.  There are many secularists, freethinkers and even ex-Muslims amongst them (as the trending of #ExMuslimBecause shows). For every Muslim who opposes ex-Muslims, there are others who support the right of ex-Muslims to leave or criticise Islam without fear.

    Nonetheless, Tomchak and her “experts” insist that #ExMuslimBecause was “bad timing” due to the Paris attacks. For apologists,  the timing for dissent is never right.

    Whilst we mourn our dead in Paris, we must not forget the countless others killed by ISIS and Islamists, including this very month in Lebanon, Nigeria, Mali, Iraq, Egypt, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan… as well as those executed perfectly legally via Sharia laws in Iran, Saudi Arabia… The refugee crisis is in large part due to this unbridled brutality.

    In fact, if there ever was a “right” time to challenge Islam and Islamism, it is now.

    Yet Tomchak says: “quite a strident tone coming from Maryam Namazie and the way she uses the term Islamists,” whilst Azhar says: “it’s quite uncompromising since there are many shades of grey amongst Islamists; lumping Islamists together is not going to be most helpful”… Luckily, many Muslims do not have the sympathy for Islamism that Azhar and Tomchak show. After all, Islamism kills more Muslims than anyone else.

    What is embarrassingly obvious in this BBC report is that along with the misinformation on the “theory” behind apostasy laws which kills apostates  as we speak, any patronising “concern” for Muslims is fundamentally about defending Islam and Islamism at the expense of dissenters.

    That’s why their response to #ExMuslimBecause is so hateful; it sees dissent through Islamist eyes.

    It is also why the report widely misses the mark for basic standards in objective journalism.

    Maybe this example will help Tomchak and the BBC understand what they have got so very wrong (though I am not holding my breath). What they’ve done in their report on #ExMuslimBecause is similar to labelling critics of the Magdelene Laundries or Symphsiotomy as “strident,” “Catholic bashers” or “openly hostile to the Catholic Church.” Such accusations do a gross injustice to those who are merely demanding what Tomchak and the two Muslim men take for granted – the right to believe in what one wants without fear.

    I know the BBC and its “Muslim community specialists” would have preferred us to raise #ExMuslimBecause in private over coffee. Regressive laws and fascist movements, however, are not pushed back over private chats but via normalising the taboo and through very public challenges and renunciations.

    Every movement – from the demand to end racial apartheid, for gender equality, and LGBT rights – were battles fought in the public square. The right to apostasy and blasphemy is no different.

    Remove all the BBC’s bogus accusations and one fact remains: the right to religion comes with a corresponding right to be free from religion. #ExMuslimBecause is part of the effort to bring about that hugely important change.


    This is the World Service broadcast she's talking about: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p038p48y
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #15 - November 29, 2015, 04:51 PM

    As there are atheist Jews, why not atheist Muslims? The credal statement does start

    "There is no god "

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #16 - November 30, 2015, 12:44 AM

    Complaint to the BBC: https://mobile.twitter.com/AtheistInHijab/status/671113151723790336/photo/1
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #17 - November 30, 2015, 10:34 AM

    This is the World Service broadcast she's talking about: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p038p48y


    Cheers for the link. I slightly dread watching it, but I shall.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #18 - November 30, 2015, 10:36 AM


    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #19 - November 30, 2015, 11:17 AM

    Wow, so I attended a few gatherings the last few days, consisting mainly of muslims. And in all of them it was firmly asserted that apostasy+blasphemy must be punished by death. 90% were in favour of death penaly for just apostasy too. Million upon million muslims firmly believe that apostasy attracts capital punishment. Yet muslims are the victims in all of this?

    One woman in UK, Shaista Gohir I believe is her name, asked why ex-muslims still associate themselves with the word muslim. Yeah I wonder why. The ball is in your damn court, don't want ex-muslims to associate themselves, stop ostracizing, dehumanizing and threatening them then. Learn to deal constructively with criticism of the negative aspects of your religion. No religions are perfect. Most ex-muslims can not even come forth and say they don't believe in Islam anymore, and you wonder why ex-muslims still associate themselves with the word muslim? To show that we effin exist, that dissent from Islam is possible.

    She also wants to understand why ex-muslims left islam. There is not a single iota of proof for the claims of Islam, NOT.A.SINGLE.IOTA, why should we believe in Islam? You want to believe without evidence, go ahead its your choice, but don't expect others to keep onto their inherited beliefs, just because.

    Dear muslims, concentrate on the negative aspects of your religion, and remediating those, rather than always crying foul and playing the victim card. Too many  people are becoming well aware of the numerous negative elements within Islam, and are not buying that shit anymore. Stop making life so difficult for everyone around you, and yourself. Time to make Islam adapt to the 21st century, or else accept that your regression and problems are mainly your own fault, since you refuse to let your religion grow and adapt to an ever progressive world.

    /rant
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #20 - November 30, 2015, 11:18 AM

    #Exmuslimbecause no one should be punished for leaving or criticizing a religion. If you believe in that, then fuck your beliefs.
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #21 - November 30, 2015, 11:31 AM

    Where were these gatherings with millions advocating the murder of ex-muslims?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #22 - November 30, 2015, 11:47 AM

    So you don't think majority of muslims believe in capital punishment for apostasy, or that Islam does advocate such a view?

    Can't comment on Islam since interpretations are numerous, and no one really knows what the one true religion advocates (on just about anything), but poll by pew research revealed that 70% of Pakistanis believe apostasy must be punished by death. Obviously millions have not been polled, but I have personally only met two pakistanis who don't believe in that. Even the non-religious ones upholds such a view.

    So yes, given my experience with pakistanis, the poll results, and what seems to be general consensus in Pakistan, I do think that majority of Pakistanis most probably believe murtads should be killed.
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #23 - November 30, 2015, 11:56 AM

    So it was in Pakistan?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #24 - November 30, 2015, 11:59 AM

    Another complaint to the BBC: https://mobile.twitter.com/Thumbalima/status/671030413662527488
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #25 - November 30, 2015, 12:11 PM

     Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #26 - November 30, 2015, 12:15 PM

    So it was in Pakistan?


    I did not attend gatherings with millions. Did I word myself as such? In that case I worded myself wrong.

    I do believe majority of Pakistanis still believe in archaic apostasy and bladphemy laws.
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #27 - November 30, 2015, 12:21 PM

    If you don't want to give any details you can just say, I was simply curious about your experience.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #28 - November 30, 2015, 04:04 PM

    Well, obviously I did not attend gatherings with millions, so I got confused by your question, and figured I had not worded myself properly.  Smiley
  • #ExMuslimBecause
     Reply #29 - November 30, 2015, 04:23 PM

    So where were these events? What were they about?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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