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  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     OP - November 20, 2015, 11:40 PM

     I never join forums, but I really want to connect with those who go through a super salafi burnout.

    I think there's a lot of us out there that start listening to YouTube lectures on Islam, namely from those who follow "Ahlul Sunnah wal Jammah" and those that "follow the salaf."

    What a traditional disease. You don't see it coming. I apostated in 2014, and it's almost the end of 2015 and I feel dead inside just a little bit.

    Everything that we are told about Islam is a waste of life. I can't even express it in words, but we all know in the back of our minds that stoning, the marriage of Aisha, apostate laws, the treatment of homosexuals, etc. is all wrong, but we continue to justify it.

    I am an agnostic atheist now, but I used to hate and demonize atheists..

    Now before this ultra super salafi phase, I had a choice to be moderate-sunnah practicing muslim while getting along with everyone in the world, but I'm glad I became an isolated, and depressed soul that kept lying to himself.. Or else I probably would have spent my whole life in a lie.

    We all looked at Allah as filling a personal void but it was because of attachment. All personal attachment. We're attached to the sound of the Adhaan and the sound of the recitation of the Qur'an.. When the whole time we're not even thinking about it. If someone recited "beat your wives" in a melodic and harmonious tone, we would just cry at the sound of it during taraweeh in Ramadan.

    It's amazing how this happens. I don't need to go over what "Salafi Burnout" is because many have gone through it.. The question is how are we supposed to live our lives after ALL this stuff happened?

    I guess it hasn't hit me yet.. All of the freedoms in the world, and all of the thoughts that are now possible. There's a hadith that says that Islam is a prison for the believer.. And I couldn't agree more.

    I feel like a prison inmate that just got out and I don't know what to do even though I spent the last year and a half chilling with the "kuffar." So if there's anyone who went through a similar experience, please share.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #1 - November 21, 2015, 01:11 AM

    You're in good company here. I wrote a response to a member that was probably where you were this time last year. I'll leave a link as it may help. I hope it does, or at least offers some perspective. I was shit tired when I wrote it so there's a few typos.

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=24235.msg697248#msg697248

    Welcome to CEMB. parrot

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #2 - November 21, 2015, 01:24 AM

    thanks Quod!

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #3 - November 21, 2015, 01:39 AM

     Afro

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #4 - November 21, 2015, 01:52 AM

    Well, I was not super Salafi, at least no one ever defined me that way, but I was super devout. There is life after it, but no, I have never gotten the religious high since I quit. Which is fine, because it wasn´t real, anyway, right? Just a delusion. I think the worst part of the aftermath is that horrible judgemental voice in my head that looks at tattoos or short shorts or even hijab and dares to assume something about the person wearing them. That superficial policing voice drives me up the wall. If I could carve it out of my head with my fingernails I would do so.
    I miss the Ummah something fierce.
    For the first year I felt high every time I did something the slightest bit haram. Answering the phones at work, driving a car without permission, getting a haircut in front of a window. Smoking handrolled halfzware shag was the most daring I got. Nothing says rebellion like imported quality tobacco.
    When I realized that I didn´t have to police my thoughts anymore and dared to think outside Islam, then I knew I was free. It took a while.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #5 - November 21, 2015, 03:08 AM

    Yeah the past year I just been enjoying life. I feel like a baby. yes

    But I will say the one weird thing about me is that I'm still a virgin in my late 20s.. And I talked to other virgins in their late 20s.. And they, along with I, seem to be a little socially awkward.

    It's weird because it's harder to relate to others in that way. I think having sex changes one's mentality big time.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #6 - November 21, 2015, 03:11 AM

    It doesn't.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #7 - November 21, 2015, 03:23 AM

    You think so? I've heard from some people that it makes a man more confident. It's kind of weird for me because I never done it and I don't really seek it out.. I guess you could say some morals kinda got stuck with me.

    Me being from a minority country, Guyana.. I've always wondered if the hot Pakistani or Indian girls that appeared religious and innocent at my University ever done it (or performed oral sex) and just hid it behind closed doors. I know the guys messed around and kept it secret. And of course I'd hear about the "not-so-religious" Muslim women who didn't cover making out with guys... But I always wondered if there was some repressive sex life going on with hijabis.. In America or UK that I don't know about.. Maybe something within the Pakistani, Indian, and Arab communities...

    I just always been curious, not for perverted reasons, but because their behavior would be a bit off.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #8 - November 21, 2015, 03:31 AM

    The only thing that changed for me having sex was that I could no longer say I'd never had sex. That's it.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #9 - November 21, 2015, 06:02 AM

    Welcome.   parrot parrot
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #10 - November 21, 2015, 08:30 AM

    Hi and welcome  parrot
    It's great you joined us!

    Do you remember what made you first think that Islam is wrong?
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #11 - November 21, 2015, 05:08 PM

    I would say the first experiences were when:

    - My homosexual friend asked me if he could be gay and be a muslim.. He was reading the Qur'an for months before asking me this.. And I told him that being gay was a sin.. He never looked so depressed when I told him. He was one of the nicest people I've ever met.

    - Someone told me, "Isn't it a common theme among all religions to threaten you with Hell if you leave them?"

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #12 - November 21, 2015, 07:14 PM

    I think most religions actually don't threaten that. Judaism doesn't have a hell, I don't think hinduism has a word for apostate so I imagine not, buddhism doesn't, I don't think jainism does. None of the pagan religions as far as I know. Taoism I believe doesn't. Sikhism might, I'd have to look it up.

    Anyone know of religions that threaten hell for not believing aside from christanity and islam, or is it only the religion of love and the religion of peace?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #13 - November 21, 2015, 07:36 PM

    The Western world is such a wonderful thing. We don't have to deal with the bullshit religions. Anyone heard of Sarah Haider or Farhan Qureshi? I love their arguments against Islam.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #14 - November 21, 2015, 09:04 PM

    Ohh, new people to look up.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #15 - November 21, 2015, 09:40 PM

    one of the best interviews I've seen from an ex-muslim
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65O2mAZ8CHQ

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #16 - November 22, 2015, 01:13 AM

    Have you heard of Faith to Faithless? If not check these out.

    So, you've left Islam?

    The Process & The Mountain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boN0AGQzI78

    Preparing & Coming Out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9TRzVIn4Q

    Moving (The F#@K) On

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IOvkVpEO-0

    Ex Muslim Voices: Faith to Faithless

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgK-vq7Kcv4

    Ex Muslims in Britain ft. Imtiaz Shams - BBC Radio & Faith to Faithless

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLI7Qu4hLUU

    Taking off your Hijab

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11D6Xddz_j4

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #17 - November 22, 2015, 02:11 AM

    wow that was really inspiring.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #18 - November 22, 2015, 02:36 AM

    Benefits of living in a country where you not only have the law on your side when it comes to the right to leave a religion, you also have the majority of people supporting you.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #19 - November 22, 2015, 02:55 AM

    Islam mentally retards a person.. I'm glad there are people out there who understand the situation. yes

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #20 - November 22, 2015, 08:22 PM

    Hey, late "welcome." I think what you're doing is really great, and you're incredibly brave to have your face out there. Please stick around, we need people like you. yes
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #21 - November 22, 2015, 08:50 PM

    Welcome to the forum ExMuslimVlogGuy! Have a rabbit!  bunny

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #22 - November 23, 2015, 02:27 AM

    Anyone know of religions that threaten hell for not believing aside from christanity and islam, or is it only the religion of love and the religion of peace?


    Zoroastrianism. Buddhism has temporary hells. But none have the same ridiculous binary system of Christianity and Islam.

    And cheers to the new guy  Afro


    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
    -Thomas Paine
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #23 - December 01, 2015, 02:20 AM

    Welcome. I love Chrono Trigger, it's one of my favorite JRPGs.

    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #24 - December 01, 2015, 02:24 AM

    Thanks man.

    Yeah Chrono Trigger was the first RPG I played when I was a kid. I'm a big RPG fan

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #25 - December 01, 2015, 10:03 AM

    Ever play Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines? One of (if not the) best RPGs ever made. There are a few bugs so you'll have to download the patch, but I highly recommend you do.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #26 - December 01, 2015, 04:38 PM

    I don't really "play" them anymore. They're just really time consuming. But I will watch a "Let's Play" of it on youtube.. The story has to be gripping though.. My strict rule of thumb is "No story, no Bueno."

    I'll check it out.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #27 - December 02, 2015, 03:52 AM

    Y´all are making me nostalgic for real RPG. The original pre-computer kind. I always ended up a nosferatu. Good times.

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #28 - December 02, 2015, 07:10 AM

    The story has to be gripping though.. My strict rule of thumb is "No story, no Bueno."


    You won't be disappointed. The let's play will be different depending on the clan, the options chosen and whether you're male or female.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • From Cultural To Super Salafi To Ex-Muslim
     Reply #29 - December 05, 2015, 07:51 PM

    Speaking of RPGs...does anyone here have a Steam account?
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