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  • Scared to even do this
     OP - November 04, 2015, 11:38 PM

    Hello

    I am an ex-Muslim woman from a South Asian Muslim family. My sister isn't bothered, though my parents are very religious (even more so now that they live in Saudi Arabia for work). I don't live with them, but I am expected to visit them in SA eventually and I have to keep my apostasy hidden.


    I was a practicing Muslim from my early teens into my late twenties, and until recently I constantly wore hijab. Even though I wore it from a young age, I hated it and the "good girl" expectations held daily about me into adulthood. I was too scared to admit this until I realised I wasn't religious.

    Over the years, I became more and more disillusioned with most Muslims due to the community I was living in at the time, which was not only incredibly insular but hostile towards difference of opinion and any criticism. I also noted that in general, Muslims I encountered didn't like hearing any criticism of their actions or misdemeanours throughout the Western world.

    I used to be good friends with white converts, until they became more spiteful and vicious in their ideas (going as far as to say "white people are evil, brown people are not and have never been in positions of power"... they said this about the Middle East, even). I also noticed that they hated hearing criticism, and resorted to apologia and "the race card" to absolve Islam and Muslims of responsibility for their actions. For example, "maybe Europeans shouldn't have colonised their countries lol", which got my goat because it's a "sins of the father" mentality which I personally consider meaningless in any rational critique, as well as a means to say that all Muslims are only innocent rabbits wronged by the evil European man so they're entitled to do horrible things in Western countries.

    I have cut off ties with such people.

    I lost my faith after reading into scientific errors in the Qur'an, and I don't miss it. While my remaining Muslim friends told me they weren't bothered by my decision, I feel as if I'm on thin ice with them whenever I criticise Muhammad and Islam. Even talking about the Arab slave trade isn't all right with them, as they immediately get defensive.


    I rant a lot about Islam and how it shouldn't be given extra protection (for fears of racism) by liberals. This happened especially after the Charlie Hebdo murders, when even my liberal non-Muslim friends began to say "yes they shouldn't have been killed but those cartoons were racist". It shows they didn't even look at the cartoons, but jumped to conclusions just because someone dared to draw Muhammad in satire criticising Islamists and IS.

    Other issues which get my ire are the views that Islam is an egalitarian religion, the source of modernity (thanks to algebra apparently) and that the Muslim Mughal dynasty was supposedly peaceful and benevolent until the evil British came along. Neither of those make any sense whatsoever.

    I am posting this at risk to my life, as I want to remain anonymous. I live in a Western country, thank goodness, though I must still tiptoe around faith whenever I'm around family.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #1 - November 05, 2015, 12:14 AM

    Welcome parrot
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #2 - November 05, 2015, 12:48 AM

    Welcome Bolton, from a fellow ranter and raver. May you wander and be happy.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #3 - November 05, 2015, 01:42 AM

    Welcome!  parrot

    Don't let Hitler have the street.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #4 - November 05, 2015, 02:53 AM

    Welcome to the forum Bolton34. Have a rabbit!  bunny

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #5 - November 05, 2015, 07:53 AM

     parrot

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #6 - November 05, 2015, 07:58 AM

    Oh my god....................................

    I want to clone you.... and put you in positions of power in Indonesia... maybe with Hassan clones too, together both of you can reform Islam lol.


    Welcome  Afro  parrot
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #7 - November 05, 2015, 12:37 PM

    But if that happened, Islamists would plot to kill me! Wink
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #8 - November 05, 2015, 02:37 PM

    Welcome ! Tread carefully , do you have to visit SA ?
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #9 - November 05, 2015, 09:24 PM

    Yes, I'm expected to go in December for one week.


    My mother even once wanted me to teach English over there, just so I would live with her again! I asked her to stop, as I have no interest whatsoever.


    I'm also hoping she won't surprise book my sister and I into hajj or umrah.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #10 - November 05, 2015, 11:53 PM

    Welcome  parrot
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #11 - November 06, 2015, 03:32 PM

    Welcome, have a rabbit!  bunny

    I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ' O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #12 - November 21, 2015, 04:35 AM

    "I used to be good friends with white converts, until they became more spiteful and vicious in their ideas (going as far as to say "white people are evil" "


    Hmm, that's a very interesting perspective.. The first guy to bring me to a more extreme version of Islam was a white convert, and he had a disdain for white people in general, saying that they're trashy.. And he'd show favoritism toward Desi people and look at them as people he had a duty to enlighten.. I never thought about it until you brought that up.. Perhaps some white converts have a small dislike for their own kind when they convert to islam and look for justifiable excuses..

    If you're South Asian, and your parents are working in Saudi.. And you don't have to visit them regularly, then I don't think it's a big deal to worry too much. Chances are if they're not religious, they'll see the racism the Saudis bring to people from the Philippines and South Asian countries.. And hopefully that gives them more perspective than to trust the Saudis way of life (Salafism)


    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #13 - November 21, 2015, 05:14 AM

    Never underestimate the zealously of a convert.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #14 - November 21, 2015, 06:19 PM

    "I used to be good friends with white converts, until they became more spiteful and vicious in their ideas (going as far as to say "white people are evil" "


    Hmm, that's a very interesting perspective.. The first guy to bring me to a more extreme version of Islam was a white convert, and he had a disdain for white people in general, saying that they're trashy.. And he'd show favoritism toward Desi people and look at them as people he had a duty to enlighten.. I never thought about it until you brought that up.. Perhaps some white converts have a small dislike for their own kind when they convert to islam and look for justifiable excuses..

    If you're South Asian, and your parents are working in Saudi.. And you don't have to visit them regularly, then I don't think it's a big deal to worry too much. Chances are if they're not religious, they'll see the racism the Saudis bring to people from the Philippines and South Asian countries.. And hopefully that gives them more perspective than to trust the Saudis way of life (Salafism)





    They are very religious! X(

    In the case of white converts, I think it's a mixture of white guilt and "being introduced to a whole new world" (so to speak). When they convert, they have this need to over-compensate for being white and the history they're unwittingly associated with. It seems to be why they insist that converting to Islam has opened up their eyes and abolished their racism while pretending racism of non-white Muslims is either justified or non-existent.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #15 - November 21, 2015, 06:24 PM

    Define "Religious" when it comes to your parents.. Does your father have a big beard and does your mom wear niqab? Or are they more about the softening of the heart and a Sufism style of Islam?

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #16 - November 21, 2015, 06:58 PM

    Bearded father, hijabi mother. Both believe the Qur'an should never be challenged, and my father was always self-righteous. He spoke out to me once in support of cutting off someone's hand for theft.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #17 - November 21, 2015, 07:48 PM

    The cutting off the hand is practiced in Saudi. They're big on that and beheadings.

    Hahaha, the self-righteous are some of the most annoying to deal with. They always happen to be those who think to the extreme. The wahabi/salafis are narrow-minded. It sounds like he agrees with that school of thought. And it really is kinda rare among the Carribbeans who hold that school.. But you're South East Asian, so I presume there are more salafis and khawarij.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #18 - November 21, 2015, 09:56 PM

    In the case of white converts, I think it's a mixture of white guilt and "being introduced to a whole new world" (so to speak). When they convert, they have this need to over-compensate for being white and the history they're unwittingly associated with. It seems to be why they insist that converting to Islam has opened up their eyes and abolished their racism while pretending racism of non-white Muslims is either justified or non-existent.

    It's not just about Islam. Your points apply equally to white rastas and wotnot.
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #19 - November 21, 2015, 10:57 PM

    I would put Rastafarians, Nation of Islam, and Black Israelites in the same category.

    With Islam, I believe there's more complexity. When an African American enters Islam, he has to deal with a different world of racism, and self-denial.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #20 - November 22, 2015, 01:17 AM

    Ironically islam is linked with black nationalism in the US.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Scared to even do this
     Reply #21 - November 22, 2015, 01:43 AM

    that's true. socialism at its finest

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
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