Well, at least you don't try to be kind and you don't pretend that Islam is egalitarian or something, like many muslims seem to think.
All your responses and arguments seem to based on personal and emotional feelings. You seem to be demanding answers as if the world revolves around you. My only advice for you is to look at the big picture. Don't know where to start with you... your rebuttals are very silly.
You still haven't gotten around to answering the systemic discrimination, ok.
I'm not even... how is it the world revolve around me when I'm mentioning the systemic discrimination of non-muslims under Islam? I'm telling the truth like how it is. None of your rebuttals actually even touch the problems that I mentioned, why because you don't think they're even a problem in the first place.
You have double standards, just like most muslims do. You demand equal rights in non-muslim country, and yet you openly oppress non-muslims in muslim country.
If muslims ask for equal rights - that is yours to ask but I'm selfish to ask the same from you?
Can a Muslim be President or Prime Minister in a Christian country?
Did you even read what I posted? I already posted this issue about Ben Carson. This exact issue, the fact is that there are liberals who actually campaigned for equal rights, and request that to be extended for muslims. There are people, non-muslims who actively campaign so muslims will have the same rights, can be elected in government offices, etc.
I even raised issue about zakat/sadaqah and ummah taking care of themselves while ignoring non-muslims. If you pay tax as a citizen, you expect to get your money's worth, yes? How is this personal issue?
I see none of this happening in muslim country, there is no activism or any effort whatsoever done to help non-muslims. You are begging the west to treat you as equal but you are being a hypocrite when you deny non-muslims the rights in muslim country.
Do you really not see this?
The next time Ahmed made another clock maybe just persecute him as a terrorist right away, don't care about human rights, prejudice or racism? Maybe the west is right in treating muslims harshly in airports?
If the majority agree then no. If you're unhappy about 'noise pollution', you're welcome to leave. Is Indonesia stopping you from immigrating abroad? It is considered a selfish act for a person to demand that the majority abide by the rule of the minority. We have this problem with Muslims in UK all the time. They say: "When in Rome, do as the Romans do"
Is there a basic human rights, the bottom of the barrel in muslim country? Do you think there should be? Do you consider being left alone - or just eating/drinking to be basic human rights? It is impossible to live normally in Islamic country.
How does UK muslims fare, are they forcefully woken up from as early as 5am? Do they have disturbing practices that require you to change your whole life around just to abide by their religious rules? (Which you don't believe).
The problem here lies with Indonesians not Islam. Nobody forced Islam down your peoples throats. Demand they get on the streets to mass protest and change the system. So if you're not happy with your leaders than do something about it. Do you believe in 'democracy'? Well, if majority chose to vote for "Islamist rule" in Indonesia then you're the loser. You are in the minority. However, you're welcome to campaigner for your "rights" and remove the Clerics Sheikhs and Imams. I don't so how it is a problem with "Islam" if the majority of your fellow country men like living under "Islamic rule". If majority want to practice "devil worshiping" then that's their right.
Dude, even if majority of Americans want to deport all muslims, they can't do it because it's against the law to do it. You know that democracy in western country still give you the most basic of human rights, yet you don't really care when there is none whatsoever in Islamic countries.
This is why I think muslim whiners in western countries are hypocritical. You don't deserve equal rights - you deserve to be treated like second class citizens. You don't support democracy, human rights, or equality because you actually believe in it, you support it because it helps you gain power. Once you get it, you show your true skin: you never cared about it. Fuck non-muslims, the majority(muslims) gets what they want.
It not the norm is most Muslim countries but that doesn't really matter. In a democracy the majority rules. I am happy that you were allowed to campaign to stop smoking, drinking alcohol, and stop drugs use and porn. We are doing exactly the same here in UK and this is considered a "democracy" Smiley
I can provide you with articles and debates in Parliament and campaigns for the death penalty, all that is listed above. Just ask.
You were telling me that my rulers were not Islamic, which I highly disagree. If anything, even more so now than ever, the rulers are being picked by their piety (omg). These rulers also help to enforce these laws, which I honestly don't care about. But all these laws are done to in compliance with Islam.
Yes, some of these values are also universal. They are not just Islamic, but people here do like the rules because of Islam.
Every honest Jew who knows the history of his people cannot but feel a deep sense of gratitude to Islam, which has protected the Jews for fifty generations, while the Christian world persecuted the Jews and tried many times "by the sword" to get them to abandon their faith.
How is this relevant - or even important to the discussion? So the Christian world used to be horrible, then what? Citing 10000papers about how terrible Christianity was have no bearing on how outdated Islam is for the modern world.
Also -you can't keep posting only positive part of Islam and expect us the believe you. You are not telling the full story.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_%28gen%29.htmlThe position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_ruleAlthough Jewish life improved under Islamic rule, an interfaith utopia did not exist.[9]:58 Jews still experienced persecution. Under Islamic Rule, the Pact of Umar was introduced, which protected the Jews but also established them as inferior.
Your grasp of Islamic history is very poor. I will link you up with documentaries/articles by credible western and Jewish scholars and historians soon... Not saying it was perfect, but far better than has been credited.
Why do you keep missing the point? We are living in the present. What matters is NOW. Human rights in Islam NOW.
In all seriousness, Islam being better than past Christianity is not really a compliment, Christianity was pretty damn horrible.
Islam is now judged by modern standard, because we live in the present not the past. Even if you cite me 10000 scholars saying that Jews used to like Muslims better than Christians, none of that matters now because the situation is different. It's the other way around now, Christians actually support Israel.
If you compare Islam with modern standards now, Islam is downright horrible. It is quite obvious that western countries are willing to fight for your rights to be equal - but Islam will happily keep you as second class citizens. Modern humans don't just want shitty ancient coexistence, the standards are much higher now. People actually demand the freedom to blaspheme - because "just living" isn't enough anymore. People want equality and freedom more than ever.
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