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  • Worood introduction
     Reply #30 - October 03, 2015, 02:55 AM

    Three,

    Yes most -if not all- religions and their followers historically committed crimes, islam tho is presently the worst.


    ---

    Gal

    Cuz i lived n d US.

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #31 - October 03, 2015, 03:43 AM

    Gal

    Cuz i lived n d US.


    Did you live in an orthodox Jewish community, involved in a synagogue, having the neighbors spying and gossiping about your every move, and threatening you if you stepped out of line?

    Did you live with my psychotic fucking parents and their religious zealotry that defies all categorization besides "criminally insane"?

    Living in America does not equal living through my experiences. And that is the point. You cannot demonize or glorify everyone in a country, in a religion, in a geographical area based on your personal experiences. There are bad apples in every single barrel. You will always have people who will use any religion, use nationalism, use racism, use something, anything, to justify their anti-social behavior. You will also always have people who do pro-social or neutral things and credit it to their religion, to their nationality, to their race, to a particular political ideology, something, anything. That does not make them representatives of millions of people who happen to share that characteristic.

    If you want to hate people for the evils that they have done (and I would never try to take that away from you), hate the specific people responsible. Don't hate everyone who happens to look like them, speak the same language as them, etc. That is just as ignorant and wrong as saying "a redhead once stole my purse; all redheads are thieves and should be thrown in jail" or "a person with blue eyes once saved my cat from drowning, all people with blue eyes must be respected and trusted." That kind of blanket racism is literally the cause of genocide.

    I am not using hyperbole when I say that. I'm not saying it because "you = nazi" is the only argument I can think of.

    I am saying it as someone whose family was personally effected by the holocaust. I'm saying it as a person whose grandmother lost her faith after losing so many family members to so violent a death. I'm saying it as a person who has seen people glorify violence and justify it using their religious views, their racist ideologies, etc. I'm saying it as a person whose parents were children during McCarthyism and whose views of the world were shaped by the blind xenophobia that ensued. I'm saying it as a person who has been the victim of plenty of violence, some of which I myself instigated. I'm saying it as a person who lived through 9/11. I'm saying it as a person who has studied psychology, sociology, history.

    Blind hatred, hatred of entire groups of people for the actions of the few, dehumanizing millions of people, saying they are all equal, they are all inherently evil, inherently inferior, leads to genocide. It leads, perhaps inexorably, to violence. Even if you yourself do not commit that violence, you are justifying it and those who will commit it; you are laying the groundwork of blind hatred, of ignorance, of irrational fear and violence for them. And that makes you no better than the people you seek to condemn. That is why, instead of condemning millions of people, you need to condemn those who have committed the specific acts that you abhor.

    I am not saying to stop viewing the atrocities as wrong. I am not saying to stop condemning those actions and those who commit them. I am not saying that you should stop campaigning against "honor killings", against beheadings, against crucifixion, against chopping off people's hands and feet...I am saying not to condemn millions of people for the actions of the few people responsible. Of course most people you will speak to who live under a tyrant will praise the tyrant if you ask them questions. What kind of idiot would you have to be to fail to understand most of them are only saying that because they don't want to be killed? Of course a lot of Sunni Iraqi soldiers are dropping their guns and surrendering to ISIS while the Shiites are still fighting them. If the Sunni soldiers surrender, they might not be executed, but if they fight and lose, they will be; whereas the Shiites will be executed whether they surrender or lose, so they have more motivation to fight to win. It doesn't mean that those who surrender or those who do not revolt are happy or are supporting the leaders. Doesn't even mean that they are cowards. It means they want to live. And would you condemn them to death for that?

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #32 - October 03, 2015, 04:08 AM

    simply when ppl tried to annoy me report me screw up my life bcuz of my apostasy

    Officials n gov in usa listened to no one,

    when my friend's uncle in sa printed out photos of my friend with some ladies wearing bikinis on FB, he was stopped once on the border n banned from traveling n even prosecuted, with no proper investigation,

    The thing is, xtians jews atheists agnostics whoever could try to oppress ppl, but secular govs do their best to limit that n stop it, n they scceeded,

    Muslim states do the opposite,

    Result = muslims oppress myslims n non muslims, men oppress women !


    BTW, i never generalize never will i, of course not all muslims r evil !

    The US ain't utopia fo sho, but nuthin compared to any muslim state

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #33 - October 03, 2015, 06:04 AM

    simply when ppl tried to annoy me report me screw up my life bcuz of my apostasy

    Officials n gov in usa listened to no one,

    when my friend's uncle in sa printed out photos of my friend with some ladies wearing bikinis on FB, he was stopped once on the border n banned from traveling n even prosecuted, with no proper investigation,

    The thing is, xtians jews atheists agnostics whoever could try to oppress ppl, but secular govs do their best to limit that n stop it, n they scceeded,

    Muslim states do the opposite,

    Result = muslims oppress myslims n non muslims, men oppress women !


    BTW, i never generalize never will i, of course not all muslims r evil !

    The US ain't utopia fo sho, but nuthin compared to any muslim state


    I have a feeling you're too defensive right now to hear what I'm actually saying. So I'm going to stop talking, not going to come back to this thread for a few days.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #34 - October 03, 2015, 07:54 AM

    Ok  Afro

    "I'm Agnostic about God."

    Richard Dawkins
    ==
    "If there is a God, it has to be a man; no woman could or would ever fuck things up like this."
     George Carlin == "...The so-called moderates are actually the public relations arm of Al-Qaeda and the Islamic Republic of Iran."  Maryam Namazie
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #35 - October 03, 2015, 02:32 PM

    So it is clear to you that I know nothing about your experiences and what you have seen because I don't live where you do? Why is it not also clear to you that *you* know nothing about *my* experiences and what *I* have seen because *you* don't live in where I do?


    You know I can recognize Muslim people from the long "Gossip talk"

    They talking a lot to justify terroir of Islam and violence from Muslim actions

    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
  • Worood introduction
     Reply #36 - October 03, 2015, 02:36 PM

    Welcome Worood,

    parrot

    Oh, that sounds terrible :(

    Is your condition stable or is it deteriorating?

    Do you live on your own or do you have some support there in Turkey?

    Do you know Turkish? Here is the website of the Turkish Atheists:
    http://www.ateizm.org

    This website had been banned from Turkish court



    And here of Ateizm Dernegi:
    http://ateizmdernegi.org.tr


    There's no worse more than you born in Middle East and live with the Muslims people !
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