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     Reply #60 - August 22, 2015, 08:46 PM

    Bayesian statistics: a comprehensive course: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFDbGp5YzjqXQ4oE4w9GVWdiokWB9gEpm

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #61 - August 23, 2015, 02:40 PM

    Quote


    Twelve P-Value Misconceptions.

    If you want to know why the following are misconceptions then see the link.

    Quote
    1. If P=0.5 then the null hypothesis has only a 5% chance of being true.

    2.  A nonsignificant difference such as P>=0.05 means there is no difference between groups.

    3. A statistically significant finding is clinically important.

    4. Studies with P values on opposite sides of 0.05 are conflicting.

    5. Studies with the same P value provide the same evidence against the null hypothesis.

    6. P=0.05 means that we have observed data that would occur only 5% of the time under the null.

    7. P=0.05 and P<=0.05 mean the same thing.

    8. P values are properly written as inequalities.

    9. P=0.05 means that if you reject the null, the probability of a type 1 error is 5%.

    10. With a P=0.05 threshold for significance, the chance of a type 1 error will be 5%.

    11. You should use a one-sided P value when you don't care about the result in one direction, or a difference in that direction is impossible.

    12. A scientific conclusion or treatment policy should be based on whether or not the P value is significant.



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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #62 - August 23, 2015, 03:59 PM

    The SEP entry on The Philosophy of Statistics is a great read:  http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/statistics/

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #63 - August 25, 2015, 02:05 PM

    Normal vs. Fat-tailed Distributions


    Normal

    A normal distribution varies a lot in the neighborhood of its average, but produces few examples beyond three standard deviations from that average.

    Normal distributions are common in biology. For example, men average 5' 10," and their population has a standard deviation of 4". That means the chance of a man exceeding eight feet (6.5 standard deviations from the average) is astronomically small. And among the billions of men measured, only about 20 have ever stood over eight feet.

    Fat-tailed

    A fat-tailed distribution looks normal but the parts far away from the average are thicker, meaning a higher chance of huge deviations.

    Fat-tailed distributions are common in society. Since I love documentaries, here's a list of the highest-grossing documentaries. Look how the top three earned dozens of times what any others did. If earnings were distributed normally, these films would be like fifty-foot men. In fact, a single person, Michael Moore, made four of the top ten!

    Don't get confused

    Fat tails don't mean more variance; just different variance. For a given variance, a higher chance of extreme deviations implies a lower chance of medium ones. To paraphrase Nassim N. Taleb:

    Quote
    The normal distribution spends 68% of the time within one standard deviation of its mean. If finance has fat tails, how much time do stocks spend within one standard deviation?

    Everyone answers: 'Less than 68%! Fat tails mean more deviation.' They're wrong: stock prices spend between 78% and 98% of their time within one standard deviation of the mean.


    Illustration

    Both distributions below have standard deviations of 1, but the left is fat-tailed and the right is normal. The slider changes the fat-tailedness of the left (measured here as 'kurtosis') while keeping its standard deviation at 1. As you fatten the tails, the middle bunches up to balance things out.

    As each datum is drawn for the deviation plots, its corresponding bar flickers. Look how the fat-tailed deviations stay near the average, but sometimes go above 5 or below -5. The normal is the opposite. The cumulative plots are called 'walks'.





    Why this matters

    Let's say people deposit their money in your bank, and you use it to place bets. If you think the outcomes of the bets are normal, but they're actually fat-tailed, the bets will still pay off most of the time. But sometimes you'll be very, very wrong. Then the government will have to bail you out to stop a bank run like the one at the end of It's a Wonderful Life .

    It isn't just banks that should take notice, though. We also see fat tails in hurricane damage, crop losses, death from deadly conflicts, and other arenas that public policy addresses.

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #64 - August 26, 2015, 08:37 PM

    My research design professor last year was super into statistics, and biologists' over reliance on the p value at the expense of any other meaningful statistics, like those measuring effect size.


    Thinking about it, even "effect size" can be misleading, too.

    Stats is just as much about not being fooled by data than it is about making inferences from data.

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #65 - August 27, 2015, 01:48 PM

    Sure, I don't disagree with that. Hence why we statistical analysis is such an important and under emphasized skill-set in the sciences.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #66 - August 26, 2016, 04:52 PM

    I can't help but lol at what passes for "statistics" in the many facets of science.

    May God save us.

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #67 - August 26, 2016, 05:46 PM

    Omg I thought you were dead  mysmilie_977

  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #68 - August 26, 2016, 05:52 PM

    Aww, she can't admit that she missed me.

    :p

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #69 - August 26, 2016, 06:11 PM

    I missed this place  Cry
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #70 - August 26, 2016, 06:31 PM

    It feels lifeless tbh.

    I miss the old forum, where I could chat shit and my posts would be washed away by new posts.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #71 - August 26, 2016, 08:09 PM

    Shit away....lots of shit and entertainment here..muslim atheism - cum baak!

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #72 - August 26, 2016, 08:50 PM

    It feels lifeless tbh.

    I miss the old forum, where I could chat shit and my posts would be washed away by new posts.


    Yes, your posts were shit  Tongue
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #73 - August 26, 2016, 08:51 PM

    Don't make me make you cry again.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #74 - August 26, 2016, 11:15 PM

    Dont make me make you feel guilty.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #75 - August 26, 2016, 11:16 PM

    You can't make me feel guilty because I'm dead inside.

    Sorry, not sorry.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #76 - August 28, 2016, 01:37 AM

    So you Cemb guys seem to like science. It's unfortunate that scientists misunderstand statistics quite often.

    I'm bored. Let me statistically quiz the willing.

    True or false answers only:

    p=0.01 < a. Where a denotes the significance level.


    1. You've disproved the null hypothesis.

    2.  There is a 1% probability that the null hypothesis is true.

    3. You have proved the alternative hypothesis.

    4. You can deduce the probability of the alternative hypothesis being true.

    5. If you wrongfully reject the null, you know with what probability a mistake will be made.

    6. Your experimental findings are reliable in that if your experiment were repeated many times, you would obtain a significant result in 99% of the trials.

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #77 - August 28, 2016, 02:01 AM

    1. false
    2. true
    3. false
    4. false
    5. false
    6. false

    Here are my answers/guesses. It's been a long time since I've thought about this stuff. Thanks.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #78 - August 28, 2016, 02:05 AM

    So as to avoid doing yeez a massive favour, I'll pm you with your results

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #79 - August 28, 2016, 09:05 AM

    ................

    I'm bored.

    True or false answers only:
    p=0.01 < a. Where a denotes the significant level.

    1. You've disproved the null hypothesis.

    2.  There is a 1% probability that the null hypothesis is true.

    3. You have proved the alternative hypothesis.

    4. You can deduce the probability of the alternative hypothesis being true.

    5. If you wrongfully reject the null, you know with what probability a mistake will be made.

    6. Your experimental findings are reliable in that if your experiment were repeated many times, you would obtain a significant result in 99% of the trials
    .

    That is tricky condition  Qtian.......  unlike  asbie who is taxing his brain to answer.,  am going to toss the coin  and pray allahgod to get me the lottery  Cheesy    ., Let me tell you this if I get all answers right ., I will truly  buy a lottery ticket today

    1.  true
    2.  true
    3.  false
    4.  false
    5.  true
    6.  true


    And and you are too smart, too intelligent,  and too important to the planet to get bored... So think positive

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #80 - August 28, 2016, 10:10 AM

    Ok, time is up.

    1. False. You can't disprove a null, you simply do/don't have enough evidence to reject it for a given alpha.

    2. False. P-values cannot tell you if a null hypothesis is true or false.

    3. False. This is just stupid.

    4. False. The reasoning is similar to the answer for question two.

    5. False. The p-value is not a false positive rate.

    6. False. This was a lemon. The question actually concerns statistical power rather than significance. P-values have no say in this.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #81 - August 28, 2016, 10:13 AM

    That is tricky condition  Qtian.......  unlike  asbie who is taxing his brain to answer.,  am going to toss the coin  and pray allahgod to get me the lottery  Cheesy    ., Let me tell you this if I get all answers right ., I will truly  buy a lottery ticket today

    (...)

    And and you are too smart, too intelligent,  and too important to the planet to get bored... So think positive

    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    Tu hi rooh ka sukoon.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #82 - August 28, 2016, 11:05 AM

    That is tricky condition  Qtian.......  



    It's not tricky at all. By definition, p<a implies statistical significance for the given parameters.
     

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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #83 - August 28, 2016, 11:59 AM

    It's not tricky at all. By definition, p<a implies statistical significance for the given parameters.

      I am glad to learn the answers Qtian   and I am NOT ging to buy lottery ticket but I would only trust the values of p.,a., statistics and  statistical  significance  for laboratory test tube experiments in biology, Physics  or chemistry  fields   Qtian., these number become completely bogus when it deals with Human populations such as in the field of Psychology  or in politics .. Often they get biased conclusions because their sampling is biased ..

    anyway thank you for answers and for that that I will give you allah Revelation,,  .....Use it ....

    Quote
      “You may put of any of your wives you please and take to your bed any of them your please. Nor is it unlawful for you to receive any of those whom you have temporarily set aside. That is more proper, so that they may be contented and not vexed, and may all be pleased with what you give them. (Quran 33:51 )”


    I say it is time for you to get settled .. and what are you doing in life?? 

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #84 - August 28, 2016, 12:11 PM

    I get your concerns- but social sciences tend to use different types of analysis such as multivariate regression. Significance testing isn't the be all and end all for them.

    In my experience, social scientists, mainly economists, have a much stronger grasp of statistics than the average "hard" scientist.

    Also, I wonder why you trust p-values in a contrived environment, but not a realistic one?

    The fact of the matter is that the relationship between the p-value and significance level, and their subsequent interaction, is arbitrary. If you're to reject the efficacy of p-values in social science, I think it's inconsistent if you don't reject them in the hard sciences, too.

    Overall, p-values aren't bad at all. It's just unfortunate that many scientists have no clue what they're talking about when using them. They're not magical and they're not a valid scapegoat. They should be used with caution.

    There are so many statistical tools available to use. Is it time for scientists to forget rote memorisation tactics, stop thinking that statistics is an offshoot of mathematics, and actually try learning real stats?


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  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #85 - August 28, 2016, 12:19 PM

      Often they get biased conclusions because their sampling is biased ..


    Right, but that's a methodological error, not an analytical one. I think you've got the wrong culprit in this case.

    As the saying goes, "Garbage in, garbage out".

    And that's true of all sciences, not just the "softer" ones.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
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     Reply #86 - August 28, 2016, 12:32 PM

    I also think that you're inadvertently overestimating the intellectual honesty of the average "hard" scientist, and downplaying the rigour of the "softer" ones?

    Truth inflation occurs in all sciences, and many researchers only submit positive results. P-hacking in biology is a perfect example.

    Science is great but it's clearly a human activity. As such, it is subject to biases that are very real, and very human.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #87 - August 28, 2016, 03:33 PM

      I say it is time for you to get settled .. and what are you doing in life?? 


    Too fucking busy, too busy fucking.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #88 - August 28, 2016, 03:38 PM

    Too fucked up, too busy being fucked up


    That makes sense now.

    Im off
     Bye  dance
  • important resource for people who work in the laboratories such as lua
     Reply #89 - August 28, 2016, 03:39 PM

    That too

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