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  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     OP - June 26, 2015, 03:37 PM

    The Khutbah I gave today. I had planned it to be about ISIS and such extremists but as I made my way to Jum'a I heard about todays attacks in Kuwait, France & Tunisia which made it even more pertinent.:

    http://agnosticmuslimkhutbahs.blogspot.co.uk/
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #1 - June 26, 2015, 03:43 PM

    Wonderful, Hassan. And very true.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #2 - June 26, 2015, 06:22 PM

    Good on you to take on this uphill battle. You have incredible patience.

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #3 - June 26, 2015, 06:45 PM

    The Khutbah I gave today. I had planned it to be about ISIS and such extremists but as I made my way to Jum'a I heard about todays attacks in Kuwait, France & Tunisia which made it even more pertinent.:

    http://agnosticmuslimkhutbahs.blogspot.co.uk/

     So i read it ... it says "I use the label Agnostic Muslim because it embraces    both my doubts & faith."  dammit I read that as
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    I use the label Agnostic Muslim because it embarrasses   both my doubts & faith.

     
    Hmm may be that is a right word ., i know Hassan Radwan  does embarrass often " the  faith" and also some times "the doubt..".   .... very confused guy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #4 - July 01, 2015, 09:30 PM

    Just some random thoughts on the issue,

    Many muslims are unfortunately themselves providing the means to their children, to have a fanatic and uncritical approach to Islam. Children are told that all other religions are false and everyone else will burn in hell, they are also told that they should love Allah and Mohammed more than their own parents and (future) children, such a view surely creates zealots.

    Muslim nations and societies are denying freedom of religion, because all other religions are corrupted and false. Which means that people in those nations have a hard time respecting other religions (and sects). Which is why oppression and persecution of religious minorities is quite common in many muslim nations.

    Religion has been made inaccessible to layman, and he requires the assistance of "professional" intermediaries to explain it to him. Fasting, praying, paying zakat and generally being a good human being should be more than enough for layman, but sadly it is not.

    Muslims need to teach their children to have a mellowed approach to their religion. Fanatic and uncritical approach creates zealots, who are prone to manipulation. Muslim nations and societies need to fully embrace freedom of religion, which includes the freedom of converting away from islam, and non-muslims being as free to proselytize their religion to muslims, as muslims are to proselytize Islam to non-muslims.

    Above all, sanctity of human life needs to always prevail over sanctitiy of religion. There should be no two ways about it. I've pretty much become pessimistic if muslims will ever be able to adopt a mellowed approach to their religion. Obviously I hope I'm wrong, and this battle can be won.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #5 - July 04, 2015, 11:33 AM

    Hi everyone!!! It's been a long time since my introduction... But still I have been reading your post nearly everyday!!

    I just went through the agnosticmuslim website and I think it's so reflect my view on everything that I find wrong in the Quran and Hadith...

    Thank you hassan you sure are an inspiration for me. I have been very lost these few months since I left Islam, I had phase where I was angry, sad, depressed and lonely but I am getting there slowly...

    Lately with everything that has been happening in the world I still don't understand how come Muslim don't question more their book? Is it out of arrogance? Maybe they feel that if they do so they will have to agree with the enemy " the west" or is it just ignorance of they own religion? Or maybe they actually do question but are too scared to share they doubt...? Do you think there is hope for the Muslim world? Or is it going to disappear like other great civilisation before it because it couldn't live with his time??  Huh? Huh?
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #6 - July 04, 2015, 11:35 AM

    I agree with you Roberto40 I don't have much hope for the Muslim future...
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #7 - July 04, 2015, 03:01 PM

    Yes, I've become quite pessimistic too. "Muslim future" is obviously also our and our loved ones future too.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #8 - July 04, 2015, 07:09 PM

    Two great quotes from Mr KK Shahid on this issue.

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    Instead of excommunicating the radicals, and scrutinising the legitimacy of their actions through religious scriptures, true reform would mean giving humanistic ideals preference over any and every interpretation of Islam.


    Quote
    Islamic reformation would begin with accepting the idea that a Muslim can unapologetically condemn Islamic doctrines

  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #9 - July 04, 2015, 07:57 PM

    Two great quotes from Mr KK Shahid on this issue.


     Mr KK Shahid..  KK Shahid....   Kunwar Khuldune  Shahid...............

    Quote
    ..........Aftermath of the Chapel Hill shooting we have resorted to highlighting how ‘atheist extremism’ – or ‘militant atheism’ – ‘can lead to terrorism’, thereby creating false equivalence between acts of violence committed in the name of an ideology (by citing its scriptures) and a hate crime that doesn’t have the sanction of a non-existent ‘atheistic’ scripture. This again rationalises terrorism in the name of Islam as ‘just another’ case of ideological extremism.........


    Rascals.. foxes in sheep cloths...so many atheists are in Islam

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #10 - July 04, 2015, 08:10 PM

    I was just reading a liberal rag where the commenters were saying that ISIL has nothing to do with Islam. It got my blood boiling how dumb, destructive, and enabling liberal apologists are. Like seriously. SERIOUSLY.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #11 - July 04, 2015, 08:12 PM

    Islam, true Orthodox Islam, brainwashes young people into thinking that the "proper" way of life is to live under Islamic rule, and that Muslims should strive to live under a Caliphate. People who have never experienced this type of indoctrination simply do NOT understand. They just don't.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #12 - July 04, 2015, 08:16 PM

    When I was a teenager and still under the influence of ISLAMIC DOCTRINE, not the whitewashed Islam of dumb liberals, I believed that the life of a kafir was in no way equal to the life of a Muslim. Deep down I thought that only our lives have value and that non-Muslims might as well be bugs. It took YEARS to rid myself of that belief and it pisses me off to no end to hear idiots make excuses for this religion. No I'm sorry, Christianity is not just as bad, yeah it's dumber than Islam but it's not as bloody, at least not nowadays.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #13 - July 05, 2015, 04:37 AM

    Christianity, yeah it's dumber than Islam

     Huh?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #14 - July 05, 2015, 09:36 AM

    curiousarabgirl  says
    .....................It took YEARS to rid myself of that belief and it pisses me off to no end to hear idiots make excuses for this religion. No I'm sorry, Christianity is not just as bad, yeah it's dumber than Islam but it's not as bloody, at least not nowadays.

      and QSD is confused  
    Huh?

      Let me see what QSD is going to say to NILOFAR SUHRAWARDY ARTICLE on ISIL ...ISIS.... or IS x IS  or in short (Islamic Shit)2

    Indeed that ISIS of Islam is "ISLAMIC SHIT SQUIRED" but let me put that complete article here
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    Nothing Islamic about Daesh by NILOFAR SUHRAWARDY  Published — Sunday 5 July 2015

    I protest as a Muslim, as a human being and as a journalist. I protest strongly against the way the label “Islamic State” is linked with terrorist activities taking place in any part of the world. The so-called Islamic State or Daesh militants perpetrating brutalities on innocent people in the name of religion and unleashing a reign of terror cannot in any way be associated with Islam. They are terrorists and only terrorists. Period.

    Groups like Daesh, Boko Haram and Taliban known for their evil activities are abhorred and disowned by the majority of Muslims and the world is aware of it. Nevertheless, linking any terror act with Muslims is not justified.  Islam stands for peace. In no way can this religion be linked with terrorism raising its ugly head, off and on, in various parts of the world. Considering that so far there has been no international consensus on the definition of “terrorism,” the ease with which it has been linked with Islam is a cause of worry and concern for Muslims.

    The logic behind linking Muslims with terrorism could have been understood had the followers of this faith been confined to a few countries where incidents of terrorism are rampant. But, this is not the case. India has the second largest population of Muslims in the world and Indonesia, the largest. India has been hit now and then by terrorist incidents of various kinds and the trend here is to link these incidents with terrorist groups known to be active in areas where the incidents took place. For instance, among the terror groups known to be active in Jammu and Kashmir are Lashkar-e-Taiba, Hizbul Mujahideen, Jaishe-e-Mohammad etc.

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    In northeast India, at least 34 terror groups are active in Manipur, 11 in Assam, four in Meghalaya, four in Nagaland and two in Tripura. These include two factions of National Socialist Council of Nagaland, National Democratic Front of Bodoland (Assam) and United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA). Terror groups active in Manipur are People’s Liberation Army of Manipur, United National Liberation Front, People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak, Kuki Revolutionary Army and United National Liberation Front, among several others. These names have been specifically mentioned here to highlight the point that numerous terror groups are fairly infamous in India for their indulgence in violence. Most of these have not been linked with any religious group.


    When a terror group is labeled as “religious” and is accorded a “religious” identity, this indirectly smears the religion it is allegedly linked with and leads people to believe that the terror group is in some way inspired by that particular religion. People believe so because they are not aware of the actual designs and agenda of the terror group.

    Unfortunately, calling the terror group Daesh “Islamic State” gives a very wrong impression about the outfit that has surpassed all other such groups in brutality. It does not have any remote connection with Islam.
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    The misconception has attracted many young Muslims toward this outfit. Those who join Daesh think they are doing a virtuous deed and in some way serving Islam. The fact is that Daesh and other similar groups are the ones harming Islam in the worst possible way. Daesh has used the name of Islam to mislead people and attract gullible youngsters to its fold.


    Islam is a religion followed by over 1.5 billion Muslims across the world. Majority of Muslims are pained and offended when any group associating itself with Islam kills innocent people on beaches, mosques and elsewhere. The fact is that more than 99 percent of Muslims, including the majority in India  and elsewhere, abhor terrorism.

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    Even if a handful of Muslims are involved in terror acts, why should their religion be associated with the brutal acts? The moment they kill people or unleash acts of terror; they cease to remain Muslims because their religion does not sanction acts that harm others. Islam even forbids killing women, the old and children even during war. How can it sanction killing innocent people?


    It is high time Muslims disowned such terror groups and Muslim countries took concerted measures to destroy such groups that are killing people in the name of Islam.

     well I am going to do bit of correction here and there to her article in the next post .. So readers.. friends. give me some suggestions..

    well it took me some time to understand what she is trying to say. For that  I have to read more from Nilofar.   I guess   she being Indian happened to be born to Muslim parents , She is thinking and writing about Indian Islam.. .  Well different parts of the world follow different types of Islam..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #15 - July 05, 2015, 10:18 PM

    I'm confused on how christianity is dumber than islam.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #16 - July 06, 2015, 12:35 AM

    "I'm confused on how christianity is dumber than islam."

    Umm, the Trinity?? Three gods in one?? Jesus died for our sins?? Ok, I'm out of stuff.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #17 - July 06, 2015, 12:37 AM

    That attitude is expected Yeezevee, it's only when Western liberal apologists spout that crap that I get pissed off.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #18 - July 06, 2015, 01:13 AM

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    That attitude is expected (FROM)Yeezevee, ...................

    Quote
    "I'm confused on how christianity is dumber than islam."


    Umm, the Trinity?? Three gods in one??...............


    hello curiousarabgirl.. .,   well for me "god" as a controlling entity itself is a problem, So when god itself is a problem then one god.. two gods .. Three gods in one..Trinity ... tetragod, pentagod .. octa god.. 100gods don't make any sense and doesn't make any difference to me on what people believe or don't believe on the concept of god ..

    well let me watch these tubes..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22cYcsVPOok


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW2y1z_ReVk

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #19 - July 06, 2015, 02:17 AM

    "I'm confused on how christianity is dumber than islam."

    Umm, the Trinity?? Three gods in one?? Jesus died for our sins?? Ok, I'm out of stuff.

    I don't understand how that's dumber? Huh?

    I'm not trying to be confrontational, I just genuinely don't understand how this is any more or any less ludicrous than islamic teaching? I mean we could have a one on one, quran vs the bible, christian theology vs islamic theology, but for the life of me I can't understand how one is dumber than the other. In fact I find the trinity easier to comprehend than the idea of the most merciful being in all creation lording over a place like jahannam.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #20 - July 06, 2015, 02:29 AM

    I don't understand how that's dumber? Huh?

    ....... jahannam.

      . jahannam........ jahannam........ jahannam.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=945QFVF80Ck


     Dumb.. Dumber .. Dumbest ............Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy  


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #21 - July 06, 2015, 02:40 AM

    I think there is something beautiful about the idea of monotheism. I think that's where my bias stems from, and that's probably why Christianity seems kinda, I guess, weird to me. Obviously my education at both an Islamic high school and very liberal university factor into this.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #22 - July 06, 2015, 02:45 AM

    I think there is something beautiful about the idea of monotheism.....

    "Beauty is in the eyes of beholder" and when it comes to faith's  then   "Beauty is in the  brains  of believers"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoJyONmcGbM

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #23 - July 06, 2015, 05:34 AM

    "I'm confused on how christianity is dumber than islam."

    Umm, the Trinity?? Three gods in one?? Jesus died for our sins?? Ok, I'm out of stuff.


    It's tri-persona not tri-entity. Think of it as a 3 way split personality in which each personality is aware of the other 2 within one being. Each persona has strict parameters which it operates by almost like a management system with humans as the employes . The Father is the planner and designer, Jesus is the creator by which everything is manifest thus perceived and the Holy Spirit is by which we can learn of the formers. It is also used in order to explain different aspects of God. The Trinity resolves a number of issues with it's concept of a benevolent God which is capable of great evil. Obviously the Trinity creates new issues. However strict monothesim has issues with the concept of love which are not resolved convincingly, in my opinion,
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #24 - July 06, 2015, 12:46 PM

    Hmm bogart says something bout god.. let me put pointers on his post
    1). It's tri-persona not tri-entity. Think of it as a 3 way split personality in which each personality is aware of the other 2 within one being.

    2). Each persona has strict parameters which it operates by almost like a management system with humans as the employees .

    3). The Father is the planner and designer, Jesus is the creator by which everything is manifest thus perceived and the Holy Spirit is by which we can learn of the formers.

    4).  It is also used in order to explain different aspects of God. The Trinity resolves a number of issues with it's concept of a benevolent God which is capable of great evil.

    5). Obviously the Trinity creates new issues. However strict monotheism has issues with the concept of love which are not resolved convincingly, in my opinion,

    Oh .. hello bogart ., Is that your explanation of Chrisinity? or is it your opinion? or or is it your belief ?

    So polytheism has problems., tri-theism has problems   and monotheism has problems.,   and their respective so-called scriptures/god words/ whatever words also have problems.   (I call  them fables of ancient cave  dwellers)   
      
    So I wonder we can solve all these problems that are harassing billions of minds with  with  Non-theism with Non-theistic god?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #25 - July 06, 2015, 12:52 PM

    Good on you to take on this uphill battle. You have incredible patience.


     I'm new here, but have read a lot of Hassan's blogs over the years, but the recent change of attitude confuses/depresses me I have to admit.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #26 - July 06, 2015, 12:59 PM

    I'm new here, but have read a lot of Hassan's blogs over the years, but the recent change of attitude confuses/depresses me I have to admit.

    Maxi Priest joins.. Sir welcome to the den  

    Hello  Priest., I don't think  Hassan Radwan changed his attitude  too much ., He was a good guy as Muslim , he is till good guy as agnostic Muslim., So what is wrong with that?  I mean we can discuss and debate the confusion.,   But depression? why.. no..no  Once you understand religions, their origins  and the mind set of religious  followers   NOTHING SHOULD DEPRESS YOU..

    with best wishes
    yeezevee

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #27 - July 06, 2015, 04:36 PM

    Hmm bogart says something bout god.. let me put pointers on his post Oh .. hello bogart ., Is that your explanation of Chrisinity? or is it your opinion? or or is it your belief ?


    No it is the standard explanation of the Trinity put into a very simple form.

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    So I wonder we can solve all these problems that are harassing billions of minds with  with  Non-theism with Non-theistic god?


    No, education would go a long way.
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #28 - July 06, 2015, 08:14 PM

    ...........................
    No, education would go a long way.

     education would go a long way...could  go a long way... but bogart I am not sure what kind of education you are talking.,  but..but I see very well  educated folk with Master degrees running around religions and defending their scriptures as word of god..allah.. whatever..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Will the "True Islam" Please Stand Up
     Reply #29 - July 06, 2015, 10:03 PM

    NOTHING SHOULD DEPRESS YOU..
    with best wishes
    yeezevee


    Thank-u 4 the welcome. I know nothing should depress me, but a lot does lately. A lot of things have happened these days that have left me feeling let down. It's not their fault. As long as ppl are happy, like u say.
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