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  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #390 - September 02, 2015, 01:23 PM

    Lesvos on Monday
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_lr_7hvO1c4&feature=youtu.be
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=86dWGASHbAQ
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #391 - September 02, 2015, 02:45 PM

    Quote from: IrateGreek
    What a pathetic hypocrite. Yeah, let ppl suffer & die until you "bring peace to the Middle East". #refugees   https://twitter.com/guardian/status/639059386946748420

    https://mobile.twitter.com/IrateGreek/status/639060923374792704

    Quote from: Jenan Moussa
    I've been for the last month in and around #Syria. Almost everyone wants to leave to EU. No one sees hope. Solution: stop war.

    Many Syrians I meet want to make it 2 Europe before winter starts. Expect surge in numbers &probably more unfortunate deaths in coming weeks

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jenanmoussa
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #392 - September 02, 2015, 03:32 PM

    So why don't the refugees just jump on an airplane in Cairo, Beirut or Istanbul? Much cheaper, safer and faster.

    Because we decided they can't.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0IRsfrPQ4

    So they have to swim to get their foot on EU soil so they can request asylum.


    Interesting. So it is the fault of those countries that want to take the refugees. If countries like Sweden and Germany made it easier to apply for a refugee visa from Syria then they prevent the drownings at sea. Though it seems that there is more to this story than meets the eye. Perhaps the real issue is that, because there are a limited number of refugees that these countries can take in, the refugees think they can increase their chances of getting let in by getting to the country first without a visa.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #393 - September 02, 2015, 03:57 PM

    Well if you want to go to a particular country to apply for asylum you have to do it that way. They won't give you a visa if they think you intend to apply for asylum - or work - or just hang out. And they will return you if you come without a visa with an airplane at the expense of the airline.

    But the treaty that says that you have the RIGHT to seek asylum INSIDE THE COUNTRY has not been dropped. Because that would be wrong. Or something.

    And if you have family in Sweden you of course try to get there and not end up getting registered in Italy or Hungary to end up stuck there. Refugees tell that Hungary is even worse than Greece, Macedonia and Serbia.

    Also there are rumours that Hungary has been boosting their claim of "look we have taken our share of the refugees" by registering people wrongly and then sending them on.

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  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #394 - September 02, 2015, 04:22 PM

    Quote from: Tonyt
    Interesting. So it is the fault of those countries that want to take the refugees. If countries like Sweden and Germany made it easier to apply for a refugee visa from Syria then they prevent the drownings at sea. Though it seems that there is more to this story than meets the eye. Perhaps the real issue is that, because there are a limited number of refugees that these countries can take in, the refugees think they can increase their chances of getting let in by getting to the country first without a visa.


    It isn't really a question of being let in. In effect no Syrians are being let in, but they're refugees and if they come anyway they have a legal right to stay. As far as I can make out the deaths aren't putting them off. What will stop people is not having the €1,000 or so needed to pay for a place on a boat. This is the way European policies are limiting the numbers in practice. Those with some money left can travel while the destitute will be stuck in Turkey. And this is why it will most likely suit EU governments to carry on with current policies whatever the human cost.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #395 - September 02, 2015, 04:52 PM

    Mytilene on Saturday
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=EuhTzdqhV3M
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #396 - September 02, 2015, 05:11 PM

    Well if you want to go to a particular country to apply for asylum you have to do it that way. They won't give you a visa if they think you intend to apply for asylum - or work - or just hang out. And they will return you if you come without a visa with an airplane at the expense of the airline.


    If that is true then it is insane. Surely if you intend to let in 100,000 Syrian refugees, the civilized way to do it is to allow people to apply for refugee status from Syria, and then select either the first 100,000 to apply, or develop a point system based on how dangerous their situation is (i.e. people who are on the frontline of the war are considered more in peril than those in Damascus, etc.) Saying you will take 100,000 in but you have to first enter the country illegally is obviously going to cause a chaotic situation.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #397 - September 02, 2015, 05:12 PM

    On twitter five minutes ago - this is going to go on and on.
    Quote from: spyros gkelis
    #refugeecrisis #refugeesGr @Faloulah
    Just received news from a Syrian friend. Her sister's boat just sank in the  Aegean. They need help.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/northaura/status/639121729365901312

    Update:
    Quote from: Marianna Karakoulaki
    Coast guard on its way. More than one boat sank in Mytilene.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Faloulah/status/639112788993032192

    Quote from: Marianna Karakoulaki
    Update from yesterday: my friend's family is safe after being rescued by the Greek coast guard after their dinghy sank 

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Faloulah/status/639360035311742976
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #398 - September 02, 2015, 05:14 PM

    Actually scrap that. If a country did that then then would get the first 100,000 by visa application but then in addition they would get all the others coming in illegally.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #399 - September 02, 2015, 05:16 PM

    Quite.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #400 - September 02, 2015, 05:25 PM

    Quote from: Asteris Masouras
    Lesvos' "Good Samaritan," NGO Angalia's Papa Stratis died of cancer  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaKoHS21Ya4 … irreplaceable to #Lesvos' #refugeesgr

    https://mobile.twitter.com/asteris/status/639116433440534529

    Quote
    "I see people in need, I cannot turn them away, kick them, or imprison them" - #EU u could learn a few things from Papa Stratis #refugeesGR

    Papa Stratis: "we are on this earth to be useful" ..lets keep that legacy alive  http://www.pappaspost.com/video-we-are-on-earth-in-order-to-be-useful-lesvos-village-priests-story-of-helping-thousands-of-refugees/ … #refugeesGr

    https://mobile.twitter.com/CCalbos/status/639113676658749440
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SaKoHS21Ya4
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #401 - September 02, 2015, 05:45 PM

    23,000 refugees&migrants arrived in Greece last week, twice as much as the week before.The islands are overwhelmed   http://bit.ly/1O7lN03

    1000s at the port of Lesvos today, everyone overwhelmed. Never seen it to this level before, numbers always growing

    Chaos on Greek islands, chaos in Hungary. The adhoc approach is putting children at risk, you can see it everywhere.  https://twitter.com/BabarBloch/status/638648281606803456

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #402 - September 02, 2015, 07:47 PM

    #AskAlaan: https://mobile.twitter.com/jenanmoussa
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #403 - September 02, 2015, 08:49 PM

    Did anyone else see the picture of the little kid drowned on the beach? With the little shoes and shorts he looked just like my own son.  Cry
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #404 - September 02, 2015, 11:39 PM

    Three year old Aylan Kurdi. His five year old brother also died.

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #405 - September 02, 2015, 11:44 PM

    From a journalist on the Independent
    British journalists need to face up to the fact that some of these people are dying because of the way the press has portrayed refugees

    Years and years of drip-drip xenophobia against migrants has got us to a stage where there’s no public appetite to give people safe passage

    Even when the bodies of children are washing up on the shores of this supposedly enlightened continent.

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #406 - September 03, 2015, 12:01 AM

    Why we've decided to call it Europe's refugee crisis rather than Europe's migrant problem

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-weve-decided-to-call-it-europes-refugee-crisis-10483507.html
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #407 - September 03, 2015, 12:04 AM

    Three year old Aylan Kurdi. His five year old brother also died.

    (Clicky for piccy!)


    I think those are the two in the pictures my husband just sent me. Terrible.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #408 - September 03, 2015, 08:46 AM

    The BBC is horrendous, continually using migrant or asylum seeker instead of refugee.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #409 - September 03, 2015, 09:38 AM

    I wish that they were in my city, I would travel there every day and give food, clothing, anything I had to help.. 
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #410 - September 03, 2015, 10:14 AM

    The BBC is horrendous, continually using migrant or asylum seeker instead of refugee.

    I was thinking the same. It's hard to imagine that there isn't some kind of political decision behind this.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #411 - September 03, 2015, 10:41 AM

    http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/family-of-children-found-on-turkish-beach-were-trying-to-come-to-canada
    Quote
    The two small boys whose bodies washed up on a Turkish beach Wednesday were Kurdish refugees from Kobane, Syria, whose family had been desperately trying to emigrate to Canada.

    Galip Kurdi, five, and his three-year-old brother Aylan died along with their mother Rehan and eight other refugees when their boat overturned in a desperate flight from Turkey to the Greek island of Kos.

    The boys’ father, Abdullah, survived. His family says his only wish now is to return to Kobane with his dead wife and children, bury them, and be buried alongside them.

    “I heard the news at five o’clock in this morning,” Teema Kurdi, Abdullah’s sister, said Wednesday. The telephone call came from Ghuson Kurdi, the wife of another brother, Mohammad. “She had got a call from Abdullah, and all he said was, my wife and two boys are dead.”

    Teema, a Vancouver hairdresser who emigrated to Canada more than 20 years ago, said Abdullah and Rehan Kurdi and their two boys were the subject of a “G5” privately sponsored refugee application that was rejected by Citizenship and Immigration in June, owing to the complexities involved in refugee applications from Turkey.

    The family had two strikes against them – like thousands of other Syrian Kurdish refugees in Turkey, the UN would not register them as refugees, and the Turkish government would not grant them exit visas.

    “I was trying to sponsor them, and I have my friends and my neighbours who helped me with the bank deposits, but we couldn’t get them out, and that is why they went in the boat. I was even paying rent for them in Turkey, but it is horrible the way they treat Syrians there,” Teema said.

    Fin Donnelly, the MP for Port Moody-Coquitlam, said he’d hand-delivered the Kurdis’ file to Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander earlier this year. Alexander said he would look into it, Donnelly said, but the Kurdis’ application was rejected in June. Alexander could not be reached for comment.

    “This is horrific and heartbreaking news,” Donnelly said. “The frustration of waiting and the inaction has been terrible.”

    Canada and Turkey have long been at loggerheads over the bottleneck blocking Syrian refugees in Turkey from finding their way to Canada. It is not uncommon for Kurds in Syria to be arbitrarily denied passports, and to have great difficulty registering as refugees with the UNHCR.

    The Turkish government refuses to issue exit visas to unregistered refugees not holding valid passports.

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #412 - September 03, 2015, 11:21 AM

    James Mates on a train with refugees in Hungary: https://mobile.twitter.com/jamesmatesitv
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #413 - September 03, 2015, 11:36 AM

    Vice News report from Lesvos: http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/i-spent-the-day-at-a-greek-refugee-camp-504
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #414 - September 03, 2015, 04:19 PM

    Let's not pretend it was all the Tories and Murdoch. The rhetoric of dangerous immigrants is/was cultivated by many.


  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #415 - September 03, 2015, 04:43 PM

    Lesvos on Tuesday
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zhfxSYSJwe0&feature=youtu.be
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=kJKGIReBWuI
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #416 - September 03, 2015, 04:59 PM

    Quote from: IrateGreek
    My crystal bell tells you that all this talk about an improved EU #refugees policy is really about finding a polite way to keep them out.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/IrateGreek/status/639424727212232704
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #417 - September 03, 2015, 05:23 PM

    A tale of two crises in Greece: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/03/greece-islands-economic-depression-migration-kos
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #418 - September 03, 2015, 09:35 PM

    Molyvos - threats to tourists helping refugees: https://www.facebook.com/philippa.kempson.1/posts/10153317355534355
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #419 - September 04, 2015, 10:32 AM

    Tonight in #Kos police have tear gassed and beaten Syrian refugees waiting for their papers to move off the island

    Syrians here on Kos say one of them lost an eye when police charged refugee crowd, I haven't been able to confirm but violent scenes here

    We just got reports that thugs are beating refugees near #Kos' old castle. Investigating now.

    They hit them, push us; hit her - one of the activists. They take her camera. Police doesn't intervene until it's too late.

    Police officer taking my testimony says 'this is unheard of.' A Greek man screamed at me he will kill me for 'betraying my country.'

    Women inside the police station cried for their kids & husbands left outside; tear gas, riot police.

    Following yesterday's events, I believe activists are in danger & need urgent help to cope. Use #SOSKos to coordinate solidarity for them.


    Kos seems to be the island with the worst treatment of refugees. I'm only speculating but I wonder if this is something to do with it having its own Muslim minority, one that escaped the 1923 population exchange because of the Italian occupation of the Dodecanese.
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