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  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #150 - June 24, 2015, 07:04 PM

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/23/eu-to-create-new-quarantine-system-for-mediterranean-migrants?
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    EU leaders have decided to create a new system of quarantining migrants in southern Italy and Greece to enable the forcible and swift registration, fingerprinting, expulsion, and, if necessary, detention for up to 18 months of those deemed to be illegal immigrants crossing the Mediterranean from Libya.

    A summit of EU leaders on Thursday is to grapple with the Mediterranean refugee crisis and is likely to give EU police and border control agencies beefed up powers to use coercion in dealing with the influx in an attempt to increase the numbers of those sent back whence they came.

    Draft documents prepared for the summit, obtained by the Guardian and unlikely to be changed, say that the government leaders have decided to establish “structured border zones and facilities in the frontline member states [Italy, Greece, Malta], with the active support of member states’ experts to ensure the swift identification, registration and fingerprinting of migrants.”

    Under proposals from the European commission for the summit, the EU’s borders agency, Frontex, is to be granted new powers to initiate and carry out forced deportations. At the moment such action and decisions can only be taken by national authorities.
    ....

    It's hard to see how Europe could possibly get Greece to accept this without regime change, but then again the emerging consensus on Greek social media is that regime change is just what the EU is trying to achieve.

    Edit: https://mobile.twitter.com/andymccc
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    Keep watching - if #Tsipras doesn't do what he's told, the #EU will try to get rid of him. I think it has started.
    ....
    Just heard on #ERT radio that #Samaras will be in Brussels tomorrow - meeting #Juncker. Draw your own conclusions
    ....
    Leaders of #ND, #PASOK and #ToPotami are all in Brussels for 'talks'. Main topic of discussion - Get #Tsipras.
    ....
    This morning it looked like #EU-orchestrated regime change. Now it looks like a #ND/#PASOK/#Potami coup d'etat.

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #151 - June 24, 2015, 07:07 PM

     http://www.aina.org/releases/20140423134125.htm

    (Clicky for piccy!)

    That is what Islam did to Turkish folks .. they turned in to brainless Turkeys and massacred people who were not Muslims  by naming them as   kuffar harbi  or  Infidels at war with Islam,  or enemies of the Turkish state.. etc..etc.... And they did it to Greeks., Assyrian Christians,  Armenians and in recent time to Kurdish folks. In fact the TURKEYS were lucky .. thanks to  Kemal Ataturk  although he  realized bit late ..religion is not the way to rule people..

    Yeez - I think it's a mistake to see it as primarily about Islam, or to make any excuses for the actions of Ataturk. These were largely the crimes of secular nationalists, though the Islamic background of the Turkish side clearly did matter. Ataturk came to power after the Armenian and Assyrian genocides, but he can take full responsibility for the ethnic cleansing of the Anatolian Greeks and the burning of Smyrna. The Greek nationalists weren't really any better and their actions simply brought disaster for the minorities on both sides. This kind of ethnic nationalism really took hold with the Greek War of Independence and the ethnic cleansing of the Muslim and Jewish population from the newly independent Greek state. The War of Independence also involved major massacres by the Ottomans but not with any aim of creating a homogeneous Turkish state. It took the best part of a century for a more modern idea of ethnic Turkish nationalism to develop. It isn't all about Islam, and an awful lot of it is about nationalism, Greek as well as Turkish.


    But it had a lot more a religious dimension than a national/ethnic one. I'm speaking about all region Balkans, Anatolia, Caucasus. Almost all ethnic Muslim Greeks were forced out from Greece and the exchange populations in all region was mainly made on religious grounds, although there were exceptions as between Greeks, Bulgarians and Vlachs.  

    @yeezee
    I cannot really put the blame primary on Islam, I will say Religion is mainly to blame. Meaning the blame is for both Christians and Muslims as let's also not forget the massacres and the atrocities that the Russians and the other Christians have committed in Caucasus and during the 1877-1878 Russian-Turkish war, which has resulted in a big exodus of Muslims from Caucasus and Balkans into whats today Turkey. And let's not forget also the Balkans wars, which created another waves of Muslim refugees from Balkans.

    All these has also fueled the idea in Turkey that another defeats will convert also in other Muslim deportations, not only territorial loss. All these had a big impact in the decision to carry out the Armenian, Greek, Assyrian Genocides in which many of the perpetrators were former Muslim refugees. So all happened in a bigger, wider context. Of course, I'm not trying to condone or justify what Turks did. Just saying that the Religion and the context in general was the main problem.

    @Zeca you are doing a very good job here. Thank you for all the material that you are sharing with us.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #152 - June 24, 2015, 08:00 PM

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    But it had a lot more a religious dimension than a national/ethnic one. I'm speaking about all region Balkans, Anatolia, Caucasus. Almost all ethnic Muslim Greeks were forced out from Greece and the exchange populations in all region was mainly made on religious grounds, although there were exceptions as between Greeks, Bulgarians and Vlachs.

    This seems to me more about using religious affiliation to define nationality. This is still the case with Greece where Orthodox 'Greeks' from Albania, Russia and elsewhere, with no historical or family connections there, have been able to claim Greek citizenship as of right while the descendants of Muslim refugees from Crete, who are sometimes still in touch with family members on the island, are unable to claim citizenship.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #153 - June 24, 2015, 09:04 PM

    @Zeca
    This seems to me more about using religious affiliation to define nationality.

    I agree, you defined this much better than me.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #154 - June 25, 2015, 01:31 PM

    Joanna Kakissis - Migrants find European land trek as treacherous as Mediterranean voyage

    Amnesty on conditions in Greek refugee camps
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #155 - June 26, 2015, 05:02 PM

    'Landing on Lesvos'
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48_VB3uhIWI&feature=youtu.be
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=acMUqbH9x8I
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #156 - June 26, 2015, 10:35 PM

    Paul Mason: Tsipras goes for referendum on 5 July
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #157 - June 28, 2015, 03:53 PM

    'Traffickers' - video from yesterday
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=2El6hSvSgW0
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #158 - June 28, 2015, 04:41 PM

    As much as I dislike trafficking I applaud the people on the ground treating people as humans by providing food and helping the children. 
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #159 - June 28, 2015, 05:49 PM

    One family's journey from Aleppo to Austria
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #160 - June 28, 2015, 11:12 PM

    Some thoughts on the EU and next Sunday's referendum: https://www.byline.com/column/11/article/126

    Not everyone will be affected by capital controls: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/the-greeks-for-whom-all-the-talk-means-nothing-because-they-have-nothing
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #161 - June 29, 2015, 12:05 AM

    Immigrants and refugees in Greece. Beyond stereotypes
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    ....
    The new government has overall changed its stance (compared to the previous government) towards refugees and economic migrants. For example, they refuse to use the term "illegal", it has been announced that migrant detention centres will be shut down, migrants can no longer be held for longer than six months, and new structures are being created for unaccompanied minors. What changes do you think may come about as a result of these changes?

    This is an important question – though I don’t know if I can reply adequately since we don't yet know how the actions of the current government will play out. Certainly the change in language matters. Language is so close to our everyday experience, and it shapes deeply how people see the world and each other. I have spoken with friends here who are refugees and they have underlined the importance of the change in language regarding asylum/ immigration. They have described it as initiating a wider shift in attitudes toward “foreigners” across diverse sectors of the populace. Language and attitudes seem to have become less violent, at least on the surface of everyday life.
     
    Another major shift has been the ceasing of push-backs in the Aegean, particularly at a moment where so many arrivals are taking place. People have been drowning in the Aegean for years (see the German organization ProAsyl’s work on this, which they began in 2007) as part of systematic, though illegal, practices of the Greek coastguard. Now people may, at the very least, be able to arrive safely on land. The detention of those who arrive must also change or cease altogether, though merely closing detention centers will not take care of things. Access to healthcare, housing, food, and other things necessary for survival must become part of a Greek reception PROCESS (which does not currently exist – though communities and individuals have done extraordinary things).
     
    I also want to recognize the work of lawyers and activists, both here and in Europe more broadly, which was accomplished even under former governments that were less open to concerns around immigration and asylum. There is a new asylum process which, while certainly flawed, is less closed and violent than the former. Asylum has been a terribly difficult issue in Greece for over ten years now, and people have been here, working behind the scenes, across a variety of sectors and political interests, and it is important to recognize this work. Finally, however, whatever any government does in Greece will not work without some kind of true European collaboration regarding migration and asylum, in a way that does not simply marginalize certain member state and outsource the problem to the borders (as the current system does). But I truly do not know if this will be found to be in the interests of the powers that be in the EU – and unfortunately we all know what happens when marginalized border states go against those powers that be.
    ....

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #162 - June 29, 2015, 12:23 AM

    Black Monday....

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GreekFire23/status/615269156104065025
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    Tsipras is hoping for a market meltdown to help the negotiating process. He paid June pensions on Friday, when expectation was for Monday

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #163 - June 29, 2015, 10:37 AM

    A drop in the ocean
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #164 - July 01, 2015, 10:56 PM

    A tragedy of our making?
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #165 - July 02, 2015, 10:52 AM

    The Telegraph on Syriza, the Eurozone and the referendum: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11712098/Europe-has-suffered-a-reputational-catastrophe-in-Greece.html
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #166 - July 02, 2015, 09:19 PM

    Greek financial showdown overshadows refugee crisis

    Another day in Molyvos
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #167 - July 03, 2015, 03:11 PM

    This is one of the better reports I've seen on the situation in Lesvos.

    Europe’s refugee crisis unfolds on Greek shores
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #168 - July 03, 2015, 03:36 PM

    Molyvos today: https://www.facebook.com/philippa.kempson.1/posts/10153175627384355
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    Today we were not able to count the amount of arrivals that we had as they were so many. This morning one boat was picked up at sea and two men who were in the water as they had jumped in from another boat to save it. Thier boat went to shore but the two men were taken to the harbour. The men started to panic as they had lost their wife and family. A lovely port police official went and collected the people from the boat on the shore and when the family was reunited there was clapping and tears. So we had a total of 59 in the harbour. The phone did not stop ringing telling us that another boat had arrived, another boat, another boat. We fed over 400 maybe more. The one volunteer who was the driver did not stop driving between the parking area and storage room re stocking. The other volunteers who were making the sandwiches did not stop for quite a few hours. The young men have left with hats and water. There are about 150 still at the parking area which are only families with many young children. There is no hope of a bus as we only had one today it collected all the ones from the harbour. They are waiting for the sun to go down a bit before attempting the long walk to Mytilene. We have been informed that there were over 1400 people that arrived today on Lesvos.


    'Heroes and villains'
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3Vts9Mg6g3U
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=5JocoTk0S98
    The resolution Eric Kempson talks about in the second video, link here. I've only posted it up because it's mentioned in the video and it's otherwise hidden away as a youtube comment, not because it's really worth reading. Feel free to ignore it.
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    (English Translation) RESOLUTION  of the committees of Mithimna (Molyvos) and its wider region regarding the creation… of a hosting center for refugees and immigrants at the “camping” of Molyvos. T o the Mayor of Lesvos mr Spyros Galinos, the President of the City Council mr Psanis Georgios, the President of ADEL and Vice-Mayor of Tourism Affairs mr Astyrakakis Konstantinos, Head of the municipal parties Kourtzis Nikos, Georgoulas Efstratios, Tsirigoti Niki, Kyrantzis Efstratios, Vice-Mayor of Mithimna mr Apostolou Stefanos, President and other local councelors of Mithimna Notification: Prefect of the Nothern Aegean mrs Kalogirou Christiana, Parliament Members of Lesvos Zerdelis Ioannis, Athanasiou Charalambos, Tassos Stavros mass media.  Today, 9th of June 2015, the committees of Molyvos along with lots of parishioners, we gathered at the “Sun Rise” hotel of Molyvos in order to discuss the creation of a hosting center for refugees and immigrants at the camping of Molyvos after the recent decision of the local board and affirmation to the broadcasting media by the Mayor of Lesvos. The big problem of the refugee-immigrant influx that has been observed the last two months at the island requires a permanent solution. Molyvo’s society, always an antiracist one and tolerant towards diversity indicated, indicates and will indicate its humanitarianism through the generous way that has been observed by everyone. It’s a society with deep solidarity to ailing and voluntary conscious contribution. However, it is requisite, necessary but, also, fair to make decisions which – on one hand will help and nurse the persecuted with dignity and on the other hand to ensure its social cohesion and tourist economy which is based on tranquility and visitor’s sense of security, women’s one above all. This is the balance that should be held at any cost so as the refugees and immigrants can be nursed and the economic development, employment and the general island’s income not to be put at risk in such difficult times for the Country and every single one of us. Unfortunately the local tourism development already undergoes great loss while the booking cancellations from abroad are increasing dramatically, right after the publicity of the immigrant issue. The danger of the current annual season but also the future of tourism has touched perilously not only the greater region of Molyvos but the whole Lesvos as the Mayor of Lesvos has mentioned in his interview at Vima FM, on Monday 8th of June, where he claims the following: “at this moment we are not just playing with the luck of our island, we are playing with the luck of what will happen to the tourism merchandise this summer but also for the following years. The camping’s choice or any other region in Molyvos, at the fundamental region (στρατηγίδα) of Lesvo’s tourism, DOES NOT solve the problem. The logic of a temporary installation “until the buses get them” is not valid since there is nothing more permanent than the temporary. This decision is simply intensifying and multiplying the problem. Camping’s capacity is no longer than a hundred tents as the infrastructure is few, inadequate, destructed and only for summer seasons. Molyvo’s camping is located at the heart of the hotel infrastructure of our region, on the way to Eftalou, a street for visitors’ hiking. Any criminal incident, taking into account that there are lots of violent incidents observed amongst immigrants, any other harassment towards women will blow up the whole building of tourism in this region. A rational solution is to find a place capable of size and infrastructure in order to have a permanent and dignified solution for the persecuted refugees-immigrants. We should also point out that repeatedly, during the mayoralties of D. Vounatsos and S. Galinos, there have been testified utilisation proposals for the camping which has been characterized as one of the most beautiful in Greece so as to accomplish the aim that has been created for: the hosting of mainly new visitors at low cost. One of these proposals was to turn the camping into one of the summer hosting centers of European and international scouting with lots of actions and events, with high imprint of environmental and cultural consciousness for the young people of our region. The committees of Molyvos are aware with high sense of responsibility to this big problem, with sense of justice towards the refugee-immigrant but also towards the future of the children and the region in general, with this current RESOLUTION, declare their decision to conquer a fair solution for everyone in any legal way, to publicise to all the responsible committees of the State and the broadcasting media their decision for an essential solution and REQUEST 1. The decision revoking of the local committee by which NOT ANY immigration problem can be essentially solved – on the contrary tourism and its derivative profits which keep alive a huge part of the work force of the island of Lesvos are torpedoed. 2. The convergence of a local committee along with the presence of the Mayor and a steering committee of local committees with exclusive topic the joint effort and action of the immediate refugee transfer in Mytilini as well as the organised and concerted assertion towards the responsible state factors so as to have a permanent and solution with duration and humanitarian character.  The Resolution is signed -amongst the large number of parishioners – by the following: -  Molyvo’s Committee of Tourism -  Hotel Association of Northern Lesvos -  Molyvo’s Corporation of Caterers and pertinent -  A.P.P.F.S. of Molyvo’s Aryans -  Agricultural Cooperation of Mithimna -  Cultural Association of folk dance “Molyvos” -  G.A.S. of Olympia -  Ladies and Donators Association “The Love” -  Parent’s Association of the Primary School and Kindergarten of Mithimna - Vatis Dimitrios, ex-Mayor of Mithimna -  Karantonis Stelios, ex-Mayor of Mithimna -  Hadjichristos Ignatios, Municipal Councilor of Lesvos -  Vatis Efstratios, Local Councilor of Mithimna -  Triantafyllou Panagiotis, Local Councilor of Mithimna

    It should probably be pointed out that according to Eric Kempson this bit is racist nonsense without any basis; "Any criminal incident, taking into account that there are lots of violent incidents observed amongst immigrants, any other harassment towards women will blow up the whole building of tourism in this region."
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #169 - July 03, 2015, 04:38 PM

    Yanis Varoufakis interview on the referendum and a possible deal: https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/vb.6622931938/10153050793226939/?type=2&theater

    A longer interview here: https://soundcloud.com/morning-ireland/a-deal-is-more-or-less-done-greek-finance-minister
    'Europeans tried to block IMF debt report on Greece': http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0PD20120150703?

    'Varoufakis prepares for economic siege': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11716318/Greeces-Yanis-Varoufakis-prepares-for-economic-siege-as-companies-issue-private-currencies.html
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #170 - July 04, 2015, 10:31 AM

    The Greek yes campaign meets the refugee issue - Maria Spyraki is an MEP for the right wing New Democracy party.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/VeriasA/status/617270602764718080
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    "We say yes because FRONTEX protects our borders from illegal immigrants" MEP @MariaSpyraki v @miltostr  #Greferendum


    Meanwhile in Lesvos...

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/refugeesGr?src=hash
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    Solidarity rally at the island of Mytilene. Woman is tried for giving a ride to pregnant refugee & kids @blacktom1961 #refugeesgr #rbnews

    https://mobile.twitter.com/maledictus/status/617236915989938176
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    Urgent: Hotel owner arrested in Lesvos for giving a ride to #refugees women. Her court hearing is in 20 min  https://twitter.com/dplastir/status/617229539987587072

  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #171 - July 04, 2015, 12:55 PM

    What a mess.  I can't see any hope for improvement either, regardless of what way Greeks vote tomorrow.  What they need is a debt writedown, but that's politically unacceptable to the other 18 EZ countries, so I suspect Greece is going to be thrown under a bus. 

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #172 - July 04, 2015, 07:22 PM

    If I was still living there I'd be voting no, but not with any expectation of a good outcome. As far as I can see the political imperative is to make an example of Greece to encourage the others, maybe partly with Spain and Podemos in mind.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #173 - July 05, 2015, 04:05 PM

    That's what it looks like to me too.   The Spanish and Irish governments have Podemos and Sinn Féin respectively breathing down their necks, so the last thing they want to see is Greece standing up for itself and getting the debt writedowns that they should have held out for.

    "Befriend them not, Oh murtads, and give them neither parrot nor bunny."  - happymurtad's advice on trolls.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #174 - July 06, 2015, 09:21 AM

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLXjqQf1xYLQ47IJ7OIRD2uP7cbhhjBU7B&v=IaHNy51MEoM&index=1
    Varoufakis on the no vote and his resignation as finance minister: http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2015/07/06/minister-no-more/
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    .... I shall wear the creditors’ loathing with pride....


    Euclides Tsakalotos is new finance minister: https://mobile.twitter.com/AmbroseEP/status/617959646062469124
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #175 - July 06, 2015, 09:45 AM

    If I was still living there I'd be voting no, but not with any expectation of a good outcome. As far as I can see the political imperative is to make an example of Greece to encourage the others, maybe partly with Spain and Podemos in mind.


    I'm not a leftist, I don't like Tsipras, but there are many economic annalists that are keep saying that regarding the cuts that Angela Merkel is proposing, the Greek debt is unsustainable. You zeca provided links also about this. I would have probably voted NO also.

    It's painful to see politicians like Angela Merkel running the affairs in Europe today. She is opposing a debt write-down because the German voters won't accept this, meaning she and her party could not win the next elections.  The Finnish PM said exactly this "the voters won't accept this" after an Eurozone meeting. I really doubt that the main reason is not encouraging others. They are accusing Tsipras that he put his interests in front of Greeks interests but Angela Merkel is doing exactly the same thing.

    Todays European politicians are mainly a bunch of hypocrites.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #176 - July 06, 2015, 10:08 AM

    To an extent the support for yes and no cuts across the lines of left and right. The Greek government is a coalition of Syriza and ANEL, a small right wing breakaway from New Democracy. The nearest British equivalent would be UKIP. It was noticeable though that in Athens only some of the wealthier coastal and northern suburbs returned a majority yes vote, so there was a definite class divide.

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    I really doubt that the main reason is not encouraging others.

    I don't know - you may be right - I might be trying to read too much rationality into their stance.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #177 - July 06, 2015, 10:29 AM

    Back on Lesvos...

    https://www.facebook.com/nobordersnetwork/posts/883015498433010?
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    Two urgent announcements from Mytilini about the refugees.

    1,800 people are crammed into the miserable camp at Kara Tepe; women with children, pregnant women, the elderly, with risk to their lives, walk for hours on roads with high speed traffic to get from the villages to the harbor, second arrest of a woman volunteer who helped with the transportation of a family with three small children and a pregnant woman.
    ....
    Lives of hundreds of refugees in danger in Lesvos! They walk the entire network of highways for kilometers! They sleep on the road! Danger of involvement in a traffic accident with our fellow citizens!

    One of the active members of the "Village of All Together" writes:
    Today was the worst day of my life. In the hellhole that they set up for the migrants in Kara Tepe they have over 1,800 people. The main road leading out of Mytilini and going to the villages passes right outside the camp. There are so many people that even outside on the road hundreds of people are waiting. We were afraid that there could be some accident and some person would be run over by the cars that pass by.

    The evening I went by in my car and suddenly two women ran straight across the road, there wasn't time for me to step on the brakes before I hit her (fortunately only a little). The woman was running because at that time they were bringing food. She has three children, one is a baby still nursing.

    After I got done at the police station, Efi and I took Mohammedi to the hospital, who is also an Afghani interpreter, to see her. From the shock the woman suffered, her milk stopped. It's not enough all that her family suffered, now she had this happen too. I can't believe what happened.

    Today in the afternoon they arrested a young woman, who will be in court tomorrow, because she did the obvious which fortunately  many of us do. To bring them [refugees] from the place they were released in Mytilini so they don't walk 60 or 70 kilometers.

    As long as there are borders, as long as there are wars in those countries, the nightmares of these people will continue. And as long as we don't do what we can, we are complicit.
    ....
    Second arrest yesterday for transportation of refugees in solidarity.

    Yesterday afternoon we were notified to go to the harbor Security, this time for interpretation in Farsi for two families with small children who a young woman, resident of Mytilini, was transporting from the area of Moira to the city.

    The woman was arrested after being accused by a citizen and she was brought to security. While nothing indicated that she took money, the prosecutor ordered her confinement at the harbor Security and her appearance today (I don't know exactly when, I'll inform as soon as I find out - around 12:00 they tell me), at court.

    As far as I know the people arrested face charges of trafficking, potentially with serious penalties.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #178 - July 06, 2015, 11:35 AM

    ... sry post was meant for other thread... Deleted.
  • Greek island refugee crisis
     Reply #179 - July 06, 2015, 03:27 PM

    'Family of refugees from Syrian war zone'
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vx__i7wq9qk
    'Too tired to walk'
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ND-nz5FpWj8
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