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  • The Koran and Islam as weapons
     OP - May 21, 2015, 06:05 PM

    There are conspiracy theories around that xianity is a Roman invention to defang Judaism.  There is plenty of evidence that Romans understood very well the dark arts of winning hearts and minds.

    Has anyone suggested the Koran and Islam are similar?  Might its aim to have been for the Arabs to help Rome conquer Persia, but once weapons are put in peoples' hands there is nothing stopping them using them as they see fit.

    It is just another way to give mercenaries weapons.

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Koran and Islam as weapons
     Reply #1 - May 21, 2015, 06:37 PM

    Yes.
    From the beginning, all 3 monotheistic faiths have flourished only through military enforcement.
    The silly notion that only one divine force exists in a uniVerse of such infinite diversity is an anomalous unnatural perversity among the innumerable plethora of polytheistic and pantheistic faiths that judaism, christianity, and islam have quite literally fought to suppress throughout history.
    The least reliable source of information regarding any faith is the information provided by any such faith's adherents; for objectivity and truth, try to avoid tainted sources sympathetic to the subject matter.
    The swords used was of real iron ans steel.The history of eastern Europe and India would provide ample testimony.you will find authority is Koran which says that non-believers in Allah and idolaters are enemies who should be vanquished or penalised by levy of protection money , called jizzia.This poll tax was levied by Aurangazeeb in India .Please read Koran and History of India during the Mogul period also

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  • The Koran and Islam as weapons
     Reply #2 - May 22, 2015, 06:39 AM

    Quote
    As the rebellion of the Jews at this time grew much more serious, [1009] Rufus, governor of Judea, after an auxiliary force had been sent him by the emperor, using their madness as a pretext, proceeded against them without mercy, and destroyed indiscriminately thousands of men and women and children, and in accordance with the laws of war reduced their country to a state of complete subjection.


    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=taagmnUcsD8C&pg=PT512&lpg=PT512&dq=As+the+rebellion+of+the+Jews+at+this+time+grew+much+more+serious,+%5B1009%5D+Rufus,+governor+of+Judea,+after+an+auxiliary+force+had+been+sent+him+by+the+emperor,+using+their+madness+as+a+pretext,+proceeded+against+them+without+mercy,+and+destroyed+indiscriminately+thousands+of+men+and+women+and+children,+and+in+accordance+with+the+laws+of+war+reduced+their+country+to+a+state+of+complete+subjection.&source=bl&ots=kAmcJktFH_&sig=qEssYtYx8Gl3G0id-SBtyX20LKw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bCBeVeKUMIaKsAHwy4GYCA&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=As%20the%20rebellion%20of%20the%20Jews%20at%20this%20time%20grew%20much%20more%20serious%2C%20%5B1009%5D%20Rufus%2C%20governor%20of%20Judea%2C%20after%20an%20auxiliary%20force%20had%20been%20sent%20him%20by%20the%20emperor%2C%20using%20their%20madness%20as%20a%20pretext%2C%20proceeded%20against%20them%20without%20mercy%2C%20and%20destroyed%20indiscriminately%20thousands%20of%20men%20and%20women%20and%20children%2C%20and%20in%20accordance%20with%20the%20laws%20of%20war%20reduced%20their%20country%20to%20a%20state%20of%20complete%20subjection.&f=false

    War tactics were incredibly sophisticated.  Why not some religious propaganda?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Koran and Islam as weapons
     Reply #3 - May 22, 2015, 06:49 AM

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    The Official Truth: Propaganda in the Roman Empire
    By Dr Neil Faulkner
    Last updated 2011-02-17

    Propaganda is considered to be a modern political art, but the Romans were masters of 'spin'. How did Rome's leaders communicate their power and their policies to a massive and diverse empire?



    All empire-builders have to justify what they do - to themselves, to their own people, and to those they dominate.

    The Romans developed a sophisticated world-view which they projected successfully through literature, inscriptions, architecture, art, and elaborate public ceremonial.



    Some elements of this world-view evolved during the existence of the empire, most notably with the adoption of Christianity in the early fourth century AD.

    Other themes remained constant. Perhaps the most important of the latter was the idea that Rome represented peace, good government, and the rule of law. The societies with which Rome was in conflict were caricatured as barbaric, lawless and dangerous.

    Julius Caesar, in his famous account of the Gallic Wars of the 50s BC, provided readers at home with a blood-curdling description of the Germanic tribes he encountered in battle:

    'The various tribes regard it as their greatest glory to lay waste as much as possible of the land around them and to keep it uninhabited. They hold it a proof of a people's valour to drive their neighbours from their homes, so that no-one dare settle near them. No discredit attaches to plundering raids outside tribal frontiers. The Germans say that they serve to keep young men in training and prevent them from getting lazy.'


    Barbaricum was not only a place of perpetual strife. There was also grinding poverty and cultural backwardness.

    Describing the Caledonian tribes of ancient Scotland in the early third century AD, Dio Cassius wrote:

    'They inhabit wild, waterless mountains and lonely, swampy plains, without walls, cities, or cultivated land. They live by pasturing flocks, hunting, and off certain fruits. They live in tents, unclothed and unshod, sharing their women and bringing up all their children together.'

    'Others shall hammer forth more delicately a breathing likeness out of bronze ... but you, Roman, must remember that you have to guide the nations.'

    Clearly, the implication seems to be, such people could not but benefit from Roman rule. But even those already civilised - those, indeed, whom many Romans recognised as more civilised than themselves - stood to gain.

    There is a famous passage in Virgil's Aeneid, written in the reign of the first emperor, Augustus (30 BC - 14 AD), where the achievements of the Greeks are acknowledged, but their need of Roman government asserted.

    'Others [that is, Greeks] shall hammer forth more delicately a breathing likeness out of bronze, coax living faces from the marble, plead causes with more skill, plot with their gauge the movements in the sky and tell the rising of the constellations.

    'But you, Roman, must remember that you have to guide the nations by your authority, for this is to be your skill, to graft tradition onto peace, to spare those who submit, but to crush those who resist.'


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/romans/romanpropaganda_article_01.shtml

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Koran and Islam as weapons
     Reply #4 - May 29, 2015, 10:15 AM

    Tom Holland discussed Christopher Hitchens views at hay.

    Should not some  religious texts be understood as propaganda tools and therefore weapons of war?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
  • The Koran and Islam as weapons
     Reply #5 - May 29, 2015, 10:55 AM

    Humanity has always had issues about how we live together - some half million year old bones have been found with what looks like evidence of murder.

    With towns and cities things get complex.  There are a series of responses, despots, tyrants, Greek city states. Eventually slavery is almost abolished, women get treated more equally in some places.

    Police and armies are invented.

    But what is better than internalised social controls?  Obvious buildings, bells, calls to prayer, religious police? Reciting stuff to yourself? Rituals?

    One God ideologies as social control?.  Holy books?

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


    A.A. Milne,

    "We cannot slaughter each other out of the human impasse"
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