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  • Islamophobia campaign
     OP - May 10, 2015, 10:51 PM

    Interesting... Large campaign aimed at "bustin' hate with love."  parrot

      Huh?

    https://www.facebook.com/thehatebusters

    http://www.12000willnotfail.com/





    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z5XsHWqgWE
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #1 - May 10, 2015, 11:38 PM

    The story of Taif and the hadith quoted in the second picture, does it remind anyone about someone in the Bible?
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #2 - May 11, 2015, 02:40 AM

    I was just thinking that.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #3 - May 11, 2015, 02:51 AM

    Muhammad did not forgive them. He came back to Taif with his army and besieged the city. He refused to let them surrender until they agreed to become Muslim and destroy their statue of their Goddess Allat.
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #4 - May 11, 2015, 07:20 AM

    ^I wasn't referring to that, but the part prior to the so called hijrah. Hadith about Muhammad and his companions were collected in different parts and sown together to form a story.You can find fragments of pre islamic sources in these stories.
    Here's an example
    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=26947.msg817710#msg817710
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #5 - May 11, 2015, 11:04 AM

    Well let's see the actual hadith first. I am skeptical that there is even a hadith like that, I think they might have made it up.
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #6 - May 11, 2015, 11:06 AM

    I am talking about the second ad, the one about getting rocks thrown at him and him saying "forgive them".
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #7 - May 11, 2015, 12:02 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=50&v=0Z5XsHWqgWE

    well that is a good one and interesting..  I think those sayings/verses whatever  one may  call them, They   should BE ADDED TO QURAN. Also one need to delete some stuff from Quran..
    I am talking about the second ad, the one about getting rocks thrown at him and him saying "forgive them".

    well read/search Quran and read/search Hadith... But I don't think you will find that there.,  But you will find that or similar Quotes  in other Allah books

    Anyways let me read this This is more fun  ..fun pictures..

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    Question is the origins of that website...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Re: Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #8 - May 11, 2015, 01:59 PM

    Well let's see the actual hadith first. I am skeptical that there is even a hadith like that, I think they might have made it up.

    From Bukhari
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    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 63:
        Narrated 'Abdullah:

        As if I am looking at the Prophet while he was speaking about one of the prophets whose people have beaten and wounded him, and he was wiping the blood off his face and saying, "O Lord! Forgive my, people as they do not know."

  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #9 - May 11, 2015, 02:17 PM

    From Bukhari
     
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    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 63:
        Narrated 'Abdullah:

        As if I am looking at the Prophet while he was speaking about one of the prophets whose people have beaten and wounded him, and he was wiping the blood off his face and saying, "O Lord! Forgive my, people as they do not know."


    well that is interesting., Clearly this hadith must be so-called Meccan hadith., that is from the first 10 years of alleged Prophet and his Islam.. Let me put  here the time line of Prophet of Islam from Islamic stories  that often narrated  in Land of pure..

    Time line of Prophet of Islam as told from Islamic stories/hadith sunnah whatever

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    545: Birth of Abdullah, the Holy Prophet's father.
    571: Birth of the Holy Prophet. Year of the Elephant.  ?  Huh? Invasion of Makkah by Abraha the Viceroy of Yemen, his retreat.
    577: The Holy Prophet visits Madina with his mother. Death of his mother.
    580: Death of Abdul Muttalib, the grandfather of the Holy Prophet.
    583: The Holy Prophet's journey to Syria in the company of his uncle Abu Talib. His meeting with the monk Bahira at Bisra who foretells of his prophethood.
    586: The Holy Prophet participates in the war of Fijar.
    591: The Holy Prophet becomes an active member of "Hilful Fudul", a league for the relief of the distressed.
    594: The Holy Prophet becomes the Manager of the business of Lady Khadija, and leads her trade caravan to Syria and back.
    595: The Holy Prophet marries Hadrat Khadija. ..
    605: The Holy Prophet arbitrates in a dispute among the Quraish about the placing of the Black Stone in the Kaaba.
    610: The first revelation in the cave at Mt. Hira. The Holy Prophet is commissioned as the Messenger of God.
    613: Declaration at Mt. Sara inviting the general public to Islam.
    614: Invitation to the Hashimites to accept Islam.
    615: Persecution of the Muslims by the Quraish. A party of Muslims leaves for Abyssinia.
    616: Second Hijrah to Abysinnia.
    617: Social boycott of the Hashimites and the Holy Prophet by the Quraish. The Hashimites are shut up in a glen outside Makkah.
    619: Lifting of the boycott. Deaths of Abu Talib and Hadrat Khadija. Year of sorrow.
    ***************************************************************************************************************************************
    620: Journey to Taif. Ascension to the heavens.
    621: First pledge at Aqaba.
    622: Second pledge at Aqaba. The Holy Prophet and the Muslims migrate to Yathrib.
    623: Nakhla expedition.
    624: Battle of Badr. Expulsion of the Bani Qainuqa Jews from Madina.
    625: Battle of Uhud. Massacre of 70 Muslims at Bir Mauna. Expulsion of Banu Nadir Jews from Madina. Second expedition of Badr.
    626: Expedition of Banu Mustaliq.
    627: Battle of the Trench. Expulsion of Banu Quraiza Jews.
    628: Truce of Hudaibiya. Expedition to Khyber. The Holy Prophet addresses letters to various heads of states.
    629: The Holy Prophet performs the pilgrimage at Makkah. Expedition to Muta (Romans).
    630: Conquest of Makkah. Battles of Hunsin, Auras, and Taif.
    631: Expedition to Tabuk. Year of Deputations.
    632: Farewell pilgrimage at Makkah.
    632: Death of the Holy Prophet.Huh? Election of Hadrat Abu Bakr as the Caliph. Usamah leads expedition to Syria. Battles of Zu Qissa and Abraq. Battles of Buzakha, Zafar and Naqra. Campaigns against Bani Tamim and Musailima, the Liar


    So my cut off date to Islam which I like is year 619 and I do carefully read the alleged  Quran that allegedly came through Gabriel before the year 619., what I am interested is in the hadith narrations that came before the year 619. . well let me watch a children's story...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiozExuqYDA

    that is the story of migration to Abyssinia....Abyssinia.....  well that is Ethiopia .. and we all know how far is Ethiopia from present sand land..

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    Ethiopia has close historical ties with all three of the world's major Abrahamic religions. In the 4th century, the region was one of the first in the world to officially adopt Christianity as the state religion. While no longer distinguished as a state religion, it remains the majority faith. There is also a substantial Muslim demographic, representing about a third of the population. Ethiopia is also the site of the first Hijra in Islamic history. A town in the Tigray Region, Negash is the oldest Muslim settlement in Africa. Until the 1980s, a substantial population of Ethiopian Jews (Beta Israel) resided in Ethiopia.
     
    According to the 2007 National Census, Christians make up 62.8% of the country's population (43.5% Ethiopian Orthodox, 19.3% other denominations), Muslims 33.9%, practitioners of traditional faiths 2.6%, and other religions 0.6%


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAm2iA7JutQ

    lala...lal..lalalalllalllaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #10 - May 23, 2015, 09:54 PM

    Islamophobia campaign ...Islamophobia.,   Well let me read some Islamophobia ...

    1) Crescent International .  .. It has  a publication of the Institute of Contemporary Islamic Thought (ICIT) Shia Islam

    2) turntoislam.com

    3) Islamicboard.com

    4) sunniforum.com

    5). islamicity.com

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #11 - May 24, 2015, 01:03 AM

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    Volume 9, Book 84, Number 63:
        Narrated 'Abdullah:

        As if I am looking at the Prophet while he was speaking about one of the prophets whose people have beaten and wounded him, and he was wiping the blood off his face and saying, "O Lord! Forgive my, people as they do not know."

    That's straight out of the Bible, a mash-up of 'turn the other cheek' and 'Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.'

  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #12 - May 24, 2015, 10:21 AM

    ^There's another story about Muhammad hiding from Quraysh in a cave thats very similar to a jewish story of King David.It would be interesting if there was a list of all the stories in which Muhammad is supposed to have been involved, but have been taken from other sources.
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #13 - May 24, 2015, 11:30 AM

    This campaign is just straight up dishonest. Like was said before, Muhammad didn't forgive Taif, he besieged the town later in his life. And how forgiving was mo to the qurayza? And one of the billboards on their facebook wrote "i beleive people of all faiths can live together" next to a quote by mo. Well mo didn't think that. Apostates to be killed, polytheists to be converted, and jews and christians to be driven out of the jazeera.

    and they do this in the name of love. The nerve of these people. Mo is hate. Period. Basically they want people to love a hateful guy? And no, they're not trying to fight against anti-muslim hate, they're trying to fight anti-muhammad sentiments. Because every damn billboard has mo's name on it.

    i know this word is controversial in this forum, but i gotta use it anyway: this is taqiyya. Because this campaign is so dishonest. And when people ultimately find out the truth they're gonna hate them even more.

    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #14 - May 24, 2015, 11:51 AM

    This campaign is just straight up dishonest. Like was said before, Muhammad didn't forgive Taif, he besieged the town later in his life. And how forgiving was mo to the qurayza? And one of the billboards on their facebook wrote "i beleive people of all faiths can live together" next to a quote by mo. Well mo didn't think that. Apostates to be killed, polytheists to be converted, and jews and christians to be driven out of the jazeera.

    and they do this in the name of love. The nerve of these people. Mo is hate. Period. Basically they want people to love a hateful guy? And no, they're not trying to fight against anti-muslim hate, they're trying to fight anti-muhammad sentiments. Because every damn billboard has mo's name on it.

    i know this word is controversial in this forum, but i gotta use it anyway: this is taqiyya. Because this campaign is so dishonest. And when people ultimately find out the truth they're gonna hate them even more.

    Hello kephas.. everything is OK.. everything is debatable., But this   taqiyya  thing in this forum has been misunderstood  and you too appears to be mistaken..

    People here don't care if you accuse some Muslim preachers  do play  this taqiyya  game to project history of Islam in different light.  What this forum folks question on that taqiyya thing  is., "when people accuse some members of this forum are playing that  taqiyya game to project Islam in a better light  "

    that is the problem kephas.. Often they accuse a  guy "Hassan " ( A secret MIA agent )  who actually Insults Islam more than me as taqiyya master   Cheesy Cheesy

    but  I have more serious problem .. there is some guy in CEMB who is taunting "yeezevee" in his blog....  let me call mossad

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #15 - May 24, 2015, 12:26 PM

    I'm aiming to be fair and balanced here.

    I do believe it is acceptable to criticise or poke fun at any belief/ideology in whatever manner. There should be no problem with this. However, I do think there is some hatred towards Muslims or those that are PERCEIVED to be Muslim. I have heard about attacks against Muslims. Some were fatal. Then was an old Muslim man who was killed in my area and in Germany, there was a Muslim woman attacked and killed in court. Of course there are Muslims who attack others, but two wrongs don't make a right.

    I think there are some people who fail to make the distinction that just because someone is Muslim, does not mean they represent Islam. Most Muslims that I know sleep, drink alcohol, mix with opposite genders, date, eat pork and so on. Some Muslims don't even pray or read the scriptures. Therefore, it is very important to make that distinction.

    Then again Muslims in general do hold certain traditional religious views (e.g. anti-homosexuality), but this is not an excuse to start physically attacking individuals left and right. I'm not talking about the members on this forum at all.

    I'm referring to individuals in the UK/USA that tend to assume that because someone who is brown they are going to be a Muslim and believe X Y Z. In fact, I do suspect there is an element of racism. There have been some Sikh people that have been attacked because they are brown skinned. I have also seen unflattering cartoons of Muslims who have very racial features, even though Muslim come in different shapes and colours. You have Chinese and Eastern European Muslims. I just don't like how race is brought into religion because not all brown people are Muslims. 

    So it is important to separate Islam and Muslims, because there are two different subject matters. Okay there are some overlap now and then, but appreciate Islam is not adopted as a whole by Muslims. As someone who is raised in a Muslim community, it was not common to find a practising Muslim. Yeah they might pray 5 times a day and have a beard, but next minute they are socialising with the opposite gender and trying to flirt.

    I also don't like how some Muslims are so quick to assume that just because someone is critising Islam, that it means they are racist or whatever.
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #16 - May 24, 2015, 12:50 PM

    I'm aiming to be fair and balanced here.....

    .............good...good.... it is nice to read a balanced view   hello someone1991  greetings... never read you so i am glad to read  your balanced views
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    I think there are some people who fail to make the distinction that just because someone is Muslim, does not mean they represent Islam. Most Muslims that I know sleep, drink alcohol, mix with opposite genders, date, eat pork and so on. Some Muslims don't even pray or read the scriptures. ...............

    well that is UNBALANCED or unclear., what does that mean??  

    "Most Most Muslims you  know sleep, drink alcohol, mix with opposite genders, date, eat pork and so on."

    So? so what??   are they good or bad?  good Muslims or bad Muslim? good people or bad people??  

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    Then again Muslims in general do hold certain traditional religious views (e.g. anti-homosexuality), but this is not an excuse to start physically attacking individuals left and right. I'm not talking about the members on this forum at all.

    No.. no you can talk about  the members on this forum., Rascals here attack all sorts of people and every religious view. In fact they attack everything and any thing that makes noise..

    ......................

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    ........So it is important to separate Islam and Muslims, because there are two different subject matters. Okay there are some overlap now and then, but appreciate Islam is not adopted as a whole by Muslims. As someone who is raised in a Muslim community, it was not common to find a practising Muslim. Yeah they might pray 5 times a day and have a beard, but next minute they are socialising with the opposite gender and trying to flirt.

    I also don't like how some Muslims are so quick to assume that just because someone is critising Islam, that it means they are racist or whatever.

    I am confused totally confused by your words  someone1991 ,.  But that is OK you can write more to explain in-detail..  So what does "1991" stand for?

    that you are  24 year old?
    or US of A attacks Iraq??
    or  Lithuania votes for independence from USSR?
    or  Nelson Mandela gets out of prision?

    what is the importance of 1991?

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #17 - May 24, 2015, 01:21 PM

    Quote from:  yeezevee
    well that is UNBALANCED or unclear., what does that mean??


    Well it is self-explanatory. It means not all Muslims represent Islam.

    The Muslims that I know commit acts that are not representative of the religion. Here I'm talking about my personal experience.

    Quote
    So? so what??


    Like I mentioned above not all Muslims represent Islam. Some people assume just because someone is a Muslim that they are going to fully adopt and practise the entire religion. That is the point I'm making.

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    are they good or bad?


    Life is too complicated to boil it down to good or bad.

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    I am confused totally confused by your words  someone1991 ,.  But that is OK you can write more to explain in-detail.. 


    Well not all Muslims practise Islam fully. That is my first point. Why do I believe this? Because of my personal experience. The Muslims that I know don't fully practise or even understand the religion.
  • Islamophobia campaign
     Reply #18 - May 24, 2015, 01:39 PM

    People are also assuming Islam is a monolithic religion. While many of Islam's divided groups make this claim it is usually made against rival groups rather than to non-Muslims.
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