IS there any ex Muslim here who has knowledge on Fiqh?

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Reply #30 - April 18, 2015, 09:05 AM

Oh I should add tho that that isn't the end of Hagar's story. It would have been, except that Sarah died before Abraham. Isaac, seeing his father was distraught over Sarah's death, brought him a women who he married, and she was named Qetura in Genesis, but the Jewish texts explain that it was actually Hagar, because the place where he went to find Qetura was the place where Hagar had gone and because the verse says "and Abraham again took a wife"--he took a wife again, meaning it was someone he had been with (in the Biblical sense) before. Ishmael was definitely brought back into inheritance, albeit not as a firstborn, because he and Isaac buried Abraham together.

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Reply #31 - April 18, 2015, 10:43 AM

Quote from: Toronto on April 16, 2015, 11:15 PM
Islam around the world is based on the interpretations of the major Madhabs and their Fiqhs. Sexual intercourse isnt necessarily rape is what Muslims are arguing. And Imam Malik and Imam Shafi the founders of two of the great Madhabs said you cannot rape a slave.

Yes, in the same way that you cannot "rape" your wife according to Islam either, because in both instances sex has been lawfully consented through the marriage/slave contract, where the womans basic human right to refuse was sold away by their slave traders/parents, her body was the property of her husband or master.
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Reply #32 - April 18, 2015, 04:41 PM

Can an Islamic woman have a personal male slave?

What difference would possessing with one's left hand make?

If two adults, a male and female, agree to be slaves to each other, why is their adultery or fornication?

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Reply #33 - April 19, 2015, 01:13 PM

Quote from: happymurtad on April 17, 2015, 02:26 PM
That one is a different one. (Man, Muhammad really got around.) The link I posted is from Bukhari. The poor girl obviously did not want to be “married” to Muhammad. After raising his hand to her so that she might “calm down,” she sought refuge from him and he let her go. An interesting point is that in the Arabic, what has been translated as “give her two white linen dresses to wear” actually seems to imply that the girl was naked or close to naked at the time. iksuha is more like, “cover her,” than "give her two dresses to wear."

Perfect example for man kind right there.
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Reply #34 - April 19, 2015, 06:45 PM

Quote from: moi on April 18, 2015, 04:41 PM

What difference would possessing with one's left hand make?

Yeah, I don't understand that either; I'm assuming that the phrase "those whom your right hand possesses" is some sort of idiom? but I don't know what it means. Does anyone else know?

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Reply #35 - April 19, 2015, 06:52 PM

I think right hand means what is lawfully yours.. with regards to muslim women having male slaves, if they did, which i'm not sure, i guess they would have been enuchs, castrated men.
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Reply #36 - April 19, 2015, 06:56 PM

Slaves are the man's. There was a big deal made of prophet Joseph refusing the orders of his owner's wife to have sex with her as it would be dishonouring his owner by taking his owner's property.

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