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     OP - February 26, 2015, 12:42 AM
    Been reading the forum for about 6-7 months so I'll finally introduce myself. I became muslim after befriending a group of Muslims several years ago. Almost immediately I began to have doubts. Why do we need hadith if the quran is the perfect word of allah? My doubts were brushed aside with the usual, less than satisfying, its the work of shaitan,  you just need to believe, and so on. I fell into sort of a quranist stance, at least privately, and continued along that way for a couple of years.

    Oddly enough, it was dahwaganda that caused me to question again, this time more seriously. You see, I was not dawagandised before; it was the good heartedness of the muslim friends that drew me in. Eventually I started coming across scientific miracle arguments and I wondered why depend on such absurd arguments? Not long after that I found cemb and began reading voraciously. This was during Ramadan 2014. One evening at the mosque before breaking the fast I was dutifully reading quran, sura mariam, and it hit me what a garbled mess!

    The only other thing I'll say for now is a big thank you to cemb!
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     Reply #1 - February 26, 2015, 01:16 AM
    Congratulations and welcome. Have a celebratory, introductory parrot! parrot
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     Reply #2 - February 26, 2015, 01:22 AM
    Thanks O curiously-avatared one!
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     Reply #3 - February 26, 2015, 02:29 AM
     parrot
    Welcome!
    Don't let Hitler have the street.
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     Reply #4 - February 26, 2015, 10:23 AM
    Welcome. I'm sure you know our ritual for new members  parrot  parrot parrot
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     Reply #5 - February 26, 2015, 12:25 PM
    Hi,

    welcome  parrot 
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     Reply #6 - February 26, 2015, 12:58 PM
    Welcome  Smiley

    I'd be interested in how CEMB first came across to you as a doubting Muslim?

    The bad as well as the good points please  grin12  - as I think it would be helpful for us to always try to improve the way we are seen by visitors since we always seem to have so many guest visitors reading us these days (I usually see an average of 50 guests whenever I log in.)

    Those of us who have been here a long time have got used to the forum and it's members it is not easy for us to see where we may be going  wrong or could improve.

    If any other guest reading this - Muslim, Ex-Muslim or never-been-Muslim would like to give their opinion I would ve very grateful.

    Thanks - and again welcome Smiley

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     Reply #7 - February 27, 2015, 12:53 AM
    Astaghfirullah. May Allah guide you towards al Siraat ul Mustaqeem once more. Ameen thuma ameen, ya rabal 3aaaalaameeeeen. La hawla wa la quwata illa billah.

    *deep breaths*

    Welcome to the forum Smiley parrot
    One only acquires wisdom when one sets the heart and mind open to new ideas.

    Chat: http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/#ex-muslims
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     Reply #8 - February 27, 2015, 04:37 PM
    Quote from: Abu Ali on February 26, 2015, 12:58 PM
    Welcome  Smiley

    I'd be interested in how CEMB first came across to you as a doubting Muslim?

    The bad as well as the good points please  grin12  - as I think it would be helpful for us to always try to improve the way we are seen by visitors since we always seem to have so many guest visitors reading us these days (I usually see an average of 50 guests whenever I log in.)

    Those of us who have been here a long time have got used to the forum and it's members it is not easy for us to see where we may be going  wrong or could improve.

    If any other guest reading this - Muslim, Ex-Muslim or never-been-Muslim would like to give their opinion I would ve very grateful.

    Thanks - and again welcome Smiley





    I think it would be good to welcome ex muslims, ex religionists who still have a faith or some kind of spirituality, and be able to discuss their beleifs after Islam etc. The board is too focused on athiest/science discussions.

    Sorry, welcome Fool me once..  x
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     Reply #9 - February 27, 2015, 04:52 PM
    Quote from: suki on February 27, 2015, 04:37 PM

    I think it would be good to welcome ex muslims, ex religionists who still have a faith or some kind of spirituality, and be able to discuss their beleifs after Islam etc. The board is too focused on athiest/science discussions.


    Fair point, Lua.
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     Reply #10 - February 27, 2015, 04:58 PM
    I'm not Lua btw lol

    Yeah i reckon there will be a few ex muslim, apostates visiting here who will still be figuring out what remains of their beliefs or lack of, would be interesting to hear them write about it i guess so..

    x
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     Reply #11 - February 27, 2015, 05:17 PM
    Damn! Sorry Suki - that's the second time I've mistaken you for Lua.

    Yes - I agree - though I'm not sure how to deal with that problem since most of us here are not in that initial stage of losing our faith anymore and have moved on somewhat. Perhaps we should just try to be a bit gentle, patient and understanding to newbies. Though to be fair I think most of us are. (Apart from perhaps Yeezy Wink )
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     Reply #12 - March 01, 2015, 07:20 PM
    Thanks for the welcome.

    To answer your question Hassan, what attracted me to cemb as  a doubting muslim was definitely the abundance of thoughtful discourse about islamic scripture as well as the threads on contemporary islamic studies.
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     Reply #13 - March 01, 2015, 09:52 PM
    Quote from: fool me once on March 01, 2015, 07:20 PM
    To answer your question Hassan, what attracted me to cemb as  a doubting muslim was definitely the abundance of thoughtful discourse about islamic scripture as well as the threads on contemporary islamic studies.


    Thanks Smiley

    Did you ever feel posts were biased, islamophobic or bigoted in any way?
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     Reply #14 - March 02, 2015, 03:12 AM
    Hassan,
    To me cemb has been a breath of fresh air in a sea of Islam-bashing sites long on froth but short on substance. Certainly there is a range of discourse here, from blunt criticism of all religion to measured analysis of scriptural sources. Overall I've not found the posts to be islamophobic or bigoted-- maybe some occasional background noise here and there-- but on the whole,  no.
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     Reply #15 - March 02, 2015, 05:46 AM
    Welcome to your new friends here on CEMB and even though I'm a bit late, have a parrot!  parrot parrot parrot
    You are the Universe, Expressing itself as a Human for a little while- Eckhart Tolle
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     Reply #16 - March 02, 2015, 11:55 AM
    Quote from: fool me once on March 02, 2015, 03:12 AM
    Hassan,
    To me cemb has been a breath of fresh air in a sea of Islam-bashing sites long on froth but short on substance. Certainly there is a range of discourse here, from blunt criticism of all religion to measured analysis of scriptural sources. Overall I've not found the posts to be islamophobic or bigoted-- maybe some occasional background noise here and there-- but on the whole,  no.


    That is really good to hear  Afro

    Thanks for the feedback, fool me once   Smiley
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     Reply #17 - March 06, 2015, 01:23 AM
    Welcome. parrot
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #18 - April 15, 2015, 12:45 PM
    yeaay another former Quranist  dance

    Welcome, have a  piggy
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     Reply #19 - April 15, 2015, 04:19 PM
    "One evening at the mosque before breaking the fast I was dutifully reading quran, sura mariam, and it hit me what a garbled mess!"


    Indeed! It's weird how religious texts can hit people as a 'revelation', either definitively for or absolutely against. What would the odds be on you re-reverting?


    Ha Ha.
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     Reply #20 - April 15, 2015, 05:51 PM
    Or re-converting, since the islamic concept of re-vert as opposed to con-vert is so fucked up and blatantly false.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #21 - April 15, 2015, 06:04 PM
    "Or re-converting, since the islamic concept of re-vert as opposed to con-vert is so fucked up and blatantly false."

    Yeah, I haven't a clue how it works with the labels. Having said that, I can think of a new one for this particular phenomena right now, but I'll keep it under wraps  Smiley
    Ha Ha.
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     Reply #22 - April 15, 2015, 07:16 PM
    Revert - everyone is born muslim, it's your parents/society that convinces you of the falseness of allah. So, as everyone is born a muslim, converts aren't con-verts, they're re-verts.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #23 - April 15, 2015, 08:58 PM
    Quote from: Quod Sum Eris on April 15, 2015, 05:51 PM
    Or re-converting, since the islamic concept of re-vert as opposed to con-vert is so fucked up and blatantly false.


    Apparently we are all born Muslim yet I didn't come in to the world knowing that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his final messenger, odd that. If God wanted to he could have written it in Arabic on the back of our hands, I guess he likes playing games with us, thankfully its only the destination our eternal soul at stake.
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     Reply #24 - April 15, 2015, 09:02 PM
    Unless you come out your mother's womb declaring in arabic "There is no god but allah and Mo is his messenger", you aren't born muslim.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #25 - April 15, 2015, 09:06 PM
    "Apparently we are all born Muslim yet I didn't come in to the world knowing that there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his final messenger, odd that. If God wanted to he could have written it in Arabic on the back of our hands, I guess he likes playing games with us, thankfully its only the destination our eternal soul at stake."

    Oh come on, how can you be such an ingrate - I suppose you didn't notice when 'Allah' in Arabic, was found inscribed on a crisp? Or when it was written in the cloud formation? Or on a piece of bark in the woods?

    Some people wouldn't notice if the prophet himself was to sand-dance out from behind a shrubbery, whilst balancing the Koran on his.....head.
    Ha Ha.
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     Reply #26 - April 15, 2015, 09:13 PM
    Sometimes I imagine the logical (if covering all religions) result if the dawah chimps got their wish for a blasphemy law. You say Jesus isn't god? Blasphemy against christianity which is (as I type this) the largest religion in this country! What? All children are born muslim? Blasphemy against judaism which teaches the religion is passed on through the mother! There's only one god? Blasphemy against hindus and pagans!

    And so on.
    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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     Reply #27 - April 15, 2015, 09:14 PM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on April 15, 2015, 09:06 PM

    Oh come on, how can you be such an ingrate - I suppose you didn't notice when 'Allah' in Arabic, was found inscribed on a crisp? Or when it was written in the cloud formation? Or on a piece of bark in the woods?

    Some people wouldn't notice if the prophet himself was to sand-dance out from behind a shrubbery, whilst balancing the Koran on his.....head.




    Praise Allah
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     Reply #28 - April 16, 2015, 03:52 AM
    Quote from: Jack Torrance on April 15, 2015, 04:19 PM
    "One evening at the mosque before breaking the fast I was dutifully reading quran, sura mariam, and it hit me what a garbled mess!"


    Indeed! It's weird how religious texts can hit people as a 'revelation', either definitively for or absolutely against. What would the odds be on you re-reverting?





    1,573,288:1
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     Reply #29 - April 16, 2015, 08:49 AM
    'What would the odds be on you re-reverting?'

    '1,573,288:1'

    I thought it would be something like that, and I reckon all ex muslims would give similarly astronomical odds.
    Ha Ha.
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