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 Topic: Born Sinner

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  • Born Sinner
     Reply #30 - February 22, 2015, 10:47 PM

    So I've sort of dealt with predestination, Mohammed marrying a kid, next I had to deal with was slavery, where did Allah come from & gays. I didn't want to ask myself where Allah came from, I had no answers. No one had, I was so scared of thinking about it. One day I had the courage to google it, Islamic website came up. Something about sjaitaan and beyond our knowledge. Not a satisfying answer but I was too scared the devil was tryna ask me these kinda questions.

    I tried to forget about slavery, I couldn't. I tried to deal with the Islam's view on gays, I couldn't. I simply can't deal with injustice, but still, leaving Islam never came up even when I met this muslim guy on that forum. He was doubting Islam and when I read that, I actually felt hurt. So I sent him a pm asking how his parents would react and he explained everything, the guy had a really messed up youth and I could relate to most of the stuff. My first thought was he is young (he was just a year younger than me lol) and went through a lot and now he is reacting it on the Islam. That was not the case, the guy did his research and I actually supported him (while feeling guilty) when he was going through a roller coaster of emotions en finally made his 'decision'.

    At the same time, I had my own issues (incl religion) and after all these years I couldn't handle it anymore. I was feeling depressed, didn't want go college and thus skipped a lot, stopped with playing sports, had no contact with friends and family and just wanted to stay in my room the whole day. This continued for a couple of months and resulted in me failing some of my A-level exams (even missed one) and barely passing my BTEC. I was so disappointed in myself, knowing that I didn't even try. I had no idea what to do, suddenly I found some of my motivation back, went through clearing and enrolled for a HND Business Studies course. My tutor was really impressed with me as I was one of few who had a clear goal and knew how to get there but somehow all my motivation was gone before even the 2nd week went past. I couldn't even get my introduction assignment done, nice start. I started skipping again, my course was not a priority anymore. Life was more of a surviving now, having no joy in anything (except for watching Real Madrid Tongue).

    One of my biggest dreams is travelling so I decided to book a trip to one of my favourite regions in Spain, finally had something to look forward to. This, however, didn't motivate me to do my best. The trip seemed somehow surreal, my parents would never let me go so I had to lie to them and told them it was an educational trip. I remember the day I was leaving, booked my coach really early and my brother brought me to the coach station. Lucky me, we just made it so when my brother asked where my classmates were I told him they were already on the coach. Couple of hours later I was in Stansted and waiting for my flight. Went through security, ate something at Burger King and before I knew it was time to board. There I was, standing in the queue with my abaya and scarf on, on my way to the country I always dreamt of. Didn't feel nervous at all until 15/20min before landing. Shit got real then. What if Allah punished me and had a crash or died in Spain, the thought of my parents killed me. I tried to calm myself down and sort of felt safe when we finally landed.

    First thing I did was go to the toilet, no more abaya and no more scarf. It felt so weird, I had the feeling everyone looked at me when I walked out but god, it felt so liberating. The world looked so much nicer, I felt like a tota different person on my way to Malaga from the airport. Hour later I was checking in my hostel, I still couldn't believe it. I was going to sleep in a mixed room, should've told my dad that grin12 Got to know some lovely people from different countries and we went out the 2nd night, after getting used to eating meat and chicken from Mac, Burger King & KFC and not feeling guilty, taking off my hijab and abaya, sleeping in a dorm this was going to be another step. I never thought I would go out and there I was, going to a bar, taking shots, having the best cocktail ever (Adios motherfucker) and going to a club afterwards with people I've just known 2 days. It was great, one of my best nights. I made sure I didn't get drunk and I notified two of my 'mates' that I've never drunk alcohol before so they were watching out for me. The best thing was, I wasn't even feeling guilty.

    I fell in love with Malaga, the atmosphere was so lovely, the weather was nice eventho it was november. For once I felt happiness, real happiness. I went to my first Real Madrid match in Malaga, I remember how nervous I felt lol. After a couple of days in Malaga my next stop was Granada: Alhambra, free tapas, wonderful views, great people. Granada was simply amazing. 3rd and last city was Sevilla. Didn't enjoy Seville as much as I could've, the thought of going back home and leaving my freedom was freaking me out. I barely got out of my hostel, only when I had to eat. Did socialise within the hostel (they had a bar) but not as much as in Granada and Malaga. Also, I didn't have a lot of money left (didn't have much to begin with) so I couldn't do much.

    Last day in Spain was quite emotional, I was leaving from Malaga airport. The city where it all started, where I went to see my first Madrid match, where my journey of getting to know myself started, where I enjoyed the sunset on the beach and talked for hours with two old Spanish men while not even speaking the same language thinking I can't get happier, where I met some wonderful people. I was leaving all that behind, back to the old me. The scarf and abaya wearing girl.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #31 - February 22, 2015, 10:48 PM

    OMG I remember I didn't have my first alcohol in Malaga but at home  grin12 Went tesco's with my parents and suddenly I felt the need to taste alcohol, wine always looked so nice and same goes for cocktails. Parents were still shopping so I went to the till, behind the lady that was helping me was a pakistani guy. He looked at me, couldn't believe that a girl wearing abaya and scarf was about to buy alcohol haha. Alas, I had no passport with me and went home with my parents without alcohol. I couldn't get the alcohol out of my mind so I got my passport and walked all the way back to tesco's to buy it, the wine was disgusting. The cocktail however was nice  grin12
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #32 - February 22, 2015, 11:40 PM

    Didn't enjoy Seville as much as I could've,

    Seville is an amazing city; I prefer it to Granada. It awaits you next time. Cordoba is fab too. If I had to llive anywhere inn Europe (I live in Japan), it would be Andalucia.

    If you don't mind my asking, why did your family move from Holland to England? Anecdotally, it seems as if a lot of Somalis are moving to Britain from elsewhere in Europe.

    If your parents kick up a fuss about you living on campus, act like Violet Elizabeth Bott.



  • Born Sinner
     Reply #33 - February 23, 2015, 06:54 AM

    My mum's sisters and friends moved way before her but she was too attached to Holland, that all changed when she went on holiday. She absolutely loved the islamic atmosphere and wanted to live close to her family again. So we moved, and now she wants to move back to holland again Cheesy

    Andalucia is wonderful, will defo go back there. So many cities I want to visit. Probably going to be in Malaga again in 2 months Smiley
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #34 - February 23, 2015, 07:03 AM

    the wine was disgusting. The cocktail however was nice  grin12

    Wine is something you have to try more than once. There are so many types out there, you could spent years without having the same one. Rose wine is different to red wine which is different to white wine. Rose wines are different from each other as are red and white. Some are bland, some are sharp. some are fruity, some are spicy. Some need to be drank chilled, some need to be drank at room temperature, some need to be drank hot. Some are disgusting, some are like vinegar, some are tolerable, some are lovely, and some are so heavenly when you drink it you'll believe in god Grin

    There is no such thing as someone who doesn't like wine, only someone who has yet to find their wine.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #35 - February 23, 2015, 08:25 AM

    Haha, I've tried different ones in restaurants and bars  so far I only like rose and champagne. Also, mixed wines such as sangria & tinto de verano. I will keep on trying different ones. I just expected my first experience with wine to be much different, had to many expectations of it I guess.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #36 - February 23, 2015, 08:53 AM

    An idea might be to keep a wine journal, you'll notice quite quickly how your tastes run. Have you ever tried any type of mulled wine?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #37 - February 23, 2015, 09:20 AM

    No, I thought of a wine journal before but I was to lazy. Let's give it another try.

    I feel alive, hope I still feel like over a couple of hours. Want to make it a productive day, job hunting so I will need all the energy I can get. Thinking of taking my scarf off aswell, first time in my city so I'm quite scared.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #38 - February 23, 2015, 09:21 AM

    Make this your theme song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2u5uUu3DE

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #39 - February 23, 2015, 10:08 AM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y66j_BUCBMY
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #40 - February 23, 2015, 11:12 AM

    Thinking of taking my scarf off aswell, first time in my city so I'm quite scared.

    Bin it. I've got a Somali friend in London who doesn't wear it. She gets all kinds of abuse from one side, and doors open elsewhere. It helps too that she's absolutely lovely.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #41 - February 23, 2015, 01:56 PM

    Your trip to Malaga sounds awesome. Sounds like my trip to Milano, which was quite similar. Always wanted to go to Spain, still haven't.  Smiley

    You are the Universe, Expressing itself as a Human for a little while- Eckhart Tolle
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #42 - February 23, 2015, 01:57 PM

    And like Quod said, wine definitely takes some time getting used to. You have to find out which kind you like. Wine is awesome.

    You are the Universe, Expressing itself as a Human for a little while- Eckhart Tolle
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #43 - February 27, 2015, 07:40 PM

    Have to go to an Islamic lecture now, fml  Cry
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #44 - February 27, 2015, 08:08 PM

    MashaAllah! May Allah make it the light you need to return to your deen. May the veil of deception from the kafiroon be lifted from your eyes. Have hayya. Rabanna 3aatina fiduniya 7asana wa fil 3aa5irati 7asana wa qinna adhabanaaaar

    One only acquires wisdom when one sets the heart and mind open to new ideas.

    Chat: http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/#ex-muslims
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #45 - February 27, 2015, 08:19 PM

    Haha  Cheesy

    Brother, the world is just temporary and like prison for us muslims. We're working for our akhira.

    Ugh, still got an hour left. Hurts to hear my dad preaching these things.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #46 - February 27, 2015, 08:21 PM

    Yes. The akhira. Make sure you keep your eyes on that akhira. This life is pointless, hence Allah didn't know what he was doing when he sent us here, and focus on the true thing which comes next which we have zero evidence of - the akhira. Tabarakallah

    One only acquires wisdom when one sets the heart and mind open to new ideas.

    Chat: http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/#ex-muslims
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #47 - February 27, 2015, 08:29 PM

     Cheesy
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #48 - February 28, 2015, 03:41 PM

    I've got a job interview this thursday with a 90% chance of getting it. However I have no idea whether to accept it or not, it takes about 90min to get there and is full time.

    Pro's: Full time and no one knows me meaning I can take off my veil.
    Cons: 90min to get there.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #49 - February 28, 2015, 03:52 PM

    The former supercedes the latter I think? I used to commute daily to my workplace about 90mins away for about half a year, it is tiring but it was worth it! Smiley

    One only acquires wisdom when one sets the heart and mind open to new ideas.

    Chat: http://client01.chat.mibbit.com/#ex-muslims
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #50 - February 28, 2015, 03:54 PM

    Go grab it. Job comes with freedom Afro

    Tired of the bull-shit. I write my own doctrines.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #51 - February 28, 2015, 04:41 PM

    I was already looking for ways to get there and how much it would cost me but started doubting because of my bf. He thinks it might be to tiring for me.

    Was thinking of accepting it but can't :( It's a service station so you probably have to get there by car?
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #52 - February 28, 2015, 10:40 PM

    Wine is something you have to try more than once. There are so many types out there, you could spent years without having the same one. Rose wine is different to red wine which is different to white wine. Rose wines are different from each other as are red and white. Some are bland, some are sharp. some are fruity, some are spicy. Some need to be drank chilled, some need to be drank at room temperature, some need to be drank hot. Some are disgusting, some are like vinegar, some are tolerable, some are lovely, and some are so heavenly when you drink it you'll believe in god Grin

    There is no such thing as someone who doesn't like wine, only someone who has yet to find their wine.


    I personally really liked a pretty sweet, slightly sparkling kosher wine. Pretty sure it was this one: http://www.bartenura.com/Bartenura-Moscato.html Kosher wines are usually much sweeter than non-kosher wines and have a lower alcohol content, because in general, they've been boiled (but they're served cold). The reason is that in Jewish law, you can't drink any wine that has, in any amount, been dedicated to another god, which later became you can't drink any wine that has been handled by anyone who worships another god. To get around this, you can boil the wine, and then it is no longer legally classified as "wine" under Jewish law even tho it is still alcoholic, and then it doesn't matter who has handled it, so any kind of store can stock it, even if it isn't owned and operated exclusively by Jews.

    Haven't had it for a while (well, about five years, since I converted to Islam lol). Giving up alcohol was the hardest thing for me on leaving Judaism, and I'm honestly a bit scared to start drinking again. Two main reasons: I don't want someone Muslim who knows me to come over and find me with alcohol, don't want to deal with that; and I have a family history of alcoholism, and don't want to become anything like my family. Also, slightly less importantly, alcohol is a bit pricey, and I don't exactly have stacks of money lying around.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #53 - March 01, 2015, 12:18 AM

    The reason is that in Jewish law, you can't drink any wine that has, in any amount, been dedicated to another god, which later became you can't drink any wine that has been handled by anyone who worships another god. To get around this, you can boil the wine, and then it is no longer legally classified as "wine" under Jewish law even tho it is still alcoholic, and then it doesn't matter who has handled it, so any kind of store can stock it, even if it isn't owned and operated exclusively by Jews.

    Holy crap how toxic an attitude that is!

    "OMGEE not Jew, Ewwww! Boil it awoo!"
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #54 - March 02, 2015, 08:32 AM

    Did you decide to take that job or not? Being financially independent of your parents is really important, specially in case they find out about your apostasy and you find yourself on the run from them Smiley So you should consider it

    You are the Universe, Expressing itself as a Human for a little while- Eckhart Tolle
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #55 - March 02, 2015, 05:10 PM

    No, I've got the interview tomorrow but I'll have to cancel it, got 3 other interviews tomorrow and hopefully the one that pays the least will offer me a job :p It's an hour away and in a hotel, nobody will know me and I'd love to get experience working within a hotel being a future International Tourism Management/Business Administration in Hospitality Management student Smiley

    So, I've just came in -happy and all, been feeling great lately started to take control of my life- when my mum says ''we have to talk''. Turns out this guy is coming to our house this friday and he wants to marry me..
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #56 - March 02, 2015, 07:59 PM

    Hi fellow Dutchie Smiley Smiley

    When did you actually move to the uk?

    Dogs never bite me - just humans. ~ M. Monroe

    Religions seem to cause more grief than good.

    Exmuslim Chat
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #57 - March 06, 2015, 01:21 AM

    To get around this, you can boil the wine

    Sounds foul.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #58 - March 06, 2015, 01:48 AM

    Sounds foul.


    Eh, it gets sweeter, but not syrupy (unless you're drinking manischewitz, which no one drinks except the people who don't know enough about Judaism to know there are other wines--mostly people who are only religious on holidays and life events). I've never had any other type of wine, so I don't know how much sweeter it gets by comparison.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Born Sinner
     Reply #59 - March 06, 2015, 01:56 AM

    I may give it a try just so I've had the experience of it (fairness and all), but it'll be more if I randomly walk by a jewish place selling it than going out of my way to buy a bottle. Boiled wine just does not sound appealing.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
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