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  • Hi everyone
     OP - February 09, 2015, 06:57 AM

    Hi everyone.

    Call me Pan. Taken from Peter Pan (the quote, "To die will be an awfully big adventure," was the first to force me to think thoroughly of Islam's idea of post-death adventures - it must be awfully nice at 6 years old to think of having your face dragged along Jahannam), pansexual (I think of myself as one), frying pan (I am only now sure that you're supposed to cook with them, and that they're not for hitting little kids' bottoms), Pan the Greek god (I liked that he had the hind legs of a deer when I was 8 - I didn't know what "rape" meant at the time), and Pantalaimon (the main daèmon from Philip Pullman's "The Northern Lights", a "shubhat" book in my house, and therefore, being rebellious, a must-read). But you can call me whatever you fancy, really. I've been called pretty much every name known to men from Indonesia's slums so I'm not about to go berserk over any new ones.

    So, I'm 17, and teetering on the edges of being an ex-Muslim in Indonesia. Never been out the country and always homeschooled, so I was never formally taught English (that's why I'm always happy if you would be so kind as to correct my grammar). Parents weren't the highest educated, but by Allah's will, my house was bang right in front of a small library stocking foreign-language books. Allah must have been a little nuts (or working in mysterious ways - wallahu a'lam) if he thought that giving me the keys to all sorts of knowledge would have placed me on the highroad to Jannah because here I am, in all my jinn-infiltrated, forcibly-ruqyah-ed glory.

    I was a "good" Muslim in the early years, waggling my little bottom in the air muttering fervent prayers, making sure my breath was as horrid as possible during Ramadhan so that Allah could smell the musk on my pink prayer mat, diverting my eyes from the males on the streets, making my mum and dad the strong-smelling, gag-inducing Indonesian-specialty drink Bajigur in the name of birrul walidayn, and just generally shutting down my tiny, wildly inquisitive head.

    As I grew and got to grips with both Islamic literature scattered around the house and other literature in the library, I gradually lost my shaking belief in the Qur'an and hadith. I found other written work that outshone the Qur'an. I found books that were far more eloquent. I found books that told of better heroes, better love stories, better human drama. "I don't need this shit," I told myself. But I was wrong. Because when you're a young girl living in a Muslim-majority country, you'll need that shit. You will so need it.

    It is expected for you here to know "wrong from right". Wear a flowing hijab. Don't go out alone. Hell, don't go out at all. Don't speak unless you're told to. No makeup: do you seriously want to look like a slut? Pray for a good husband. These and other restrictions were placed on me. If I broke one, knowingly or unknowingly, oh we'll get the pan. You'll be subservient in the end, once we're done.

    I came to realize that my mother and father weren't just "bad eggs", single-handedly "misinterpreting" Qur'anic verses and hadith, but that submission, suppression, aggression and dehumanisation were ingrained in the faith. And that my parents were just the result of a lifetime of drilled-in horrible totalitarian ideology.

    I was already on my way out of Islam a year back when I was hit by a succession of depressive episodes where I yearned for moral guidance. OK, time to whip out the Qur'an and see if I missed something. Nope. Nothing. I figured those who could find moral guidance were either really loosey goosey in their interpretations of it, or they were like me. Afraid of not finding anything to adopt as spiritual fodder and faking that the good values already inside ourselves were distilled from the Qur'an.

    Then I saved and got a phone. Besides being exposed to porn, cute cat pictures, and chain Facebook messages of how Muslim women are wrapped sweets, I was also exposed to more books. Oh my goodness, more books than I could ever imagine.

    Now, I'm ashamed to say this and I know it's wrong, but I found a way to get paid Kindle ebooks for free. And I used that way. I mean, whose mouth doesn't water when you think of reading Hitchens, Dawkins, Ibn Warraq, Harris, Hume, Grayling, Baggini, Darwin and others for practically nothing. I'm very ashamed of it now, but seriously, Indonesia doesn't stock these kinds of books and reading their work was like having a friend reach out to me through all the confusion.

    So I arrived at the crossroads. Ooh, choosing time! Eenie, meenie, minie, moe. Good Muslim or good person?

    I got stuck between the two. And haven't moved on from then. Choosing both has proved to be the worst decision of my life. And I've made tonnes of bad decisions. Granted, if I had been open about my apostasy I would have been kicked out, but what's worse: hiding in the space between my parents natural love for me and the suspicion that they have a murtad as their daughter or living on the streets and roughing it up? I'll dare to say that the latter is the least worst decision.

    I'm pretending to love a loathesome god. I'm pretending to scour for self-worth from a book which does give me some, but then takes it all away. I'm pretending to believe I'm a slave, always under his watchful eye and never getting to experience true interaction with others. I'm pretending I'm not myself. "That just sucks," is what my usual teenage self would say.

    I'm here hoping to get unstuck and choose just one path.
     
    And I like it here. All of you are cool and I like seeing how much I have in common with other ex-Muslims.

    Since I'm probably going to die in the same city I was born in, I am never going to indulge my "hedonistic" side. You know, the side that really wants someone I'm attracted to to hold my hand, to mingle freely with other humans, to let my hair blow in the wind, to be stronger for having gone through Islam. Oh, and also to go to the pubs that some of you talk of and getting tipsy. I'd like that.

    So I like hearing how some of you are moving on and leading lives full of new hope and vigour. I feel happy knowing that maybe, just maybe, I'll be able to have a happy life of my own, without Islam.

    Oh and do any of you happen to know of any other Indonesians on this forum? Would be nice if there were any.

    Anyway, thanks so much for having me!
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #1 - February 09, 2015, 08:17 AM

    Welcome to the forum Pan Smiley

    He's no friend to the friendless
    And he's the mother of grief
    There's only sorrow for tomorrow
    Surely life is too brief
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #2 - February 09, 2015, 10:16 AM

    Welcome Pan  parrot

    You never know. You're young, maybe you get a chance to go to a foreign country, or at least another city in Indonesia. Let's see what the future brings to you.

    So many new people  dance. I guess it just needs the courage of someone to start signing in and introducing herself/himself, and others follow.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #3 - February 09, 2015, 10:38 AM

    Hey pan. Don't know of other indonesians, but i'm from another muslim majority south east asian country as well. Selamat datang.

    "we stand firm calling to allah all the time,
    we let them know - bang! bang! - coz it's dawah time!"
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #4 - February 09, 2015, 12:20 PM

    Welcome!  parrot
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #5 - February 09, 2015, 04:01 PM

    Hello!
    Have a bunny and a parrot. Second, when I joined this forum I remember being in a situation not too different from yours where I was on my way out but not quite yet. I hope you find your way here too.

    Just like Johnny Flynn said, the breath I've taken and the one I must to go on.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #6 - February 09, 2015, 06:05 PM

    Hi Pan

    Big welcome from Denmark Smiley You're obviously a very, very bright kid! I'm in awe of your post! I'm more then 2,5 the age of you and had English for a total of 8 years in school and high school and have worked for Microsoft where we spoke English every day and I still had to look words in your introduction up (however I *DO* suck at foreign languages - my own is hard enough...)

    Also, never judge a book by her tutung Smiley Or a judge by her book. Or book a judge by her tutung.

    Ok, I have seen to many Indonesian jokes about this video. But here it is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDQSY2mmCAs

    Danish Never-Moose adopted by the kind people on the CEMB-forum
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  • Hi everyone
     Reply #7 - February 09, 2015, 07:56 PM

    Excellent introductory post, so have a parrot.

    Also,
    Quote
    I was a "good" Muslim in the early years, waggling my little bottom in the air muttering fervent prayers, making sure my breath was as horrid as possible during Ramadhan so that Allah could smell the musk on my pink prayer mat,


    You really have a hilarious way with words! Afro
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #8 - February 09, 2015, 08:18 PM

    Great post. Welcome  parrot and hopefully you will realize all of your desires Smiley

    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #9 - February 09, 2015, 10:05 PM

    Your English is fantastic, not sure why you would by shy about that!

    "Since I'm probably going to die in the same city I was born in, I am never going to indulge my "hedonistic" side. You know, the side that really wants someone I'm attracted to to hold my hand, to mingle freely with other humans, to let my hair blow in the wind, to be stronger for having gone through Islam. Oh, and also to go to the pubs that some of you talk of and getting tipsy. I'd like that."

    That's actually pretty heart breaking ... there's no reason you can't move to other cities.  People do it all the time.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #10 - February 09, 2015, 11:27 PM

    I think the problem is that her family won't let her leave....in a very patriarchal culture just moving to another city is easier said than done :/

    إطلب العلم ولو في الصين

    Es sitzt keine Krone so fest und so hoch,
    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

    I don't give a fuck about your war, or your President.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #11 - February 09, 2015, 11:48 PM

    Welcome to the forum Smiley

    Quote
    Now, I'm ashamed to say this and I know it's wrong, but I found a way to get paid Kindle ebooks for free


    If you accidentally spell books as "bookz", add another z to the end of "bookz" and then accidentally add .org as a suffix, you may find something interesting.

    You're welcome everyone.

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #12 - February 10, 2015, 12:10 AM

    If you accidentally spell books as "bookz", add another z to the end of "bookz" and then accidentally add .org as a suffix, you may find something interesting.


    That is marvellous! Afro
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #13 - February 10, 2015, 02:22 AM

    Welcome to the forum Pan, have a rabbit!  bunny

    You're awfully eloquent for 17, and I hope to hear more from you here!  Smiley

    how fuck works without shit??


    Let's Play Chess!

    harakaat, friend, RIP
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #14 - February 10, 2015, 03:46 AM

    Thank you for the warm welcome, everyone! You're all too kind.

    Oh and Nikolaj, that video is the first to make me grin in a long time. The girl totally rocks and if there are any jokes about her and the music she plays, I suppose they are all about her tudung (sounds like a Malay word, Indonesians tend to use "jilbab") and not about her kickass playing. If this ever got on reddit, I'm pretty sure there'd be an outcry from those frequenting the haramyaasheikh subreddit. Mkay, I think I made that subreddit up whistling2 but I'm pretty sure there's some people out there calling her guitar the instrument of the devil.

    Thanks again, everyone. I feel better already for joining the forum dance
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #15 - February 10, 2015, 02:29 PM

    Your English made me jealous! (Wait a minute isn't allah a jealous wrath-spewing deity?)

    Rephrase, your English is to die for!

    Fine. How do I say "your English is perfect" without sounding islamically-correct?? Huh?

    Tired of the bull-shit. I write my own doctrines.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #16 - February 11, 2015, 01:22 PM

    That is marvellous! Afro


     grin12

    My mind runs, I can never catch it even if I get a head start.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #17 - February 16, 2015, 06:57 PM

    I have to say, your English is far above basic. Your English is spectacular. Exemplary. Wonderful. Chic. Brilliant. No I'm not cheating *closes Thesaurus*

    A fascinating story, with a sad twist to it too with regards to being in the same place. I can understand however, being from the background I am from. Females are kept in close ranks in certain cultures, which is perhaps what you are subject to. Though you never know, the universe has funny ways of acting at times - you may find yourself escaping the clutches somehow. I bid you good luck, fellow rebel of the religious custom!

    One only acquires wisdom when one sets the heart and mind open to new ideas.

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  • Hi everyone
     Reply #18 - February 22, 2015, 07:14 PM

    Very well-written introduction. Keep improving your English, and it might take you places...

    Welcome!  parrot

    The future is full of thrilling possibilities.
  • Hi everyone
     Reply #19 - March 27, 2015, 12:02 AM

    Pan, not only is your English wonderful, you're a clear, natural, talented writer.  If you hadn't told us that English isn't your first language, I never would have guessed.  And your intelligence is obvious.

    But if I do ever find any grammar errors in your writing, I'm happy to correct you, if that's what you want.  Smiley

    Listen, if you *want* to leave your hometown someday, please don't tell yourself "Since I'm probably going to die in the same city I was born in..."   Instead, put in your mind that you *will* find a way to live in a place where you can be fully free and feel the wind in your hair and be a "hedonist" Roll Eyes  grin12.  Then your mind will be on the alert for possibilities and opportunities.   

    With your great English, you'd have an edge going to a country like Australia. 

  • Hi everyone
     Reply #20 - March 27, 2015, 02:19 AM

    Pan, like everyone else here I am in awe of your 'informally-learnt' English - I wouldn't have known you were not a native speaker.

    I live in Australia and travelled a bit in Indonesia many years ago. From your intro it seems that you are from quite a strict muslim community compared to the ones I travelled through - although perhaps things have changed and people have become more religious in recent years (and I have not been to Java or Sumatra).

    Do you have any chance to go to further education like college, or perhaps work outside the home? I wouldn't give up hope of seeing more of the world than your home town, particularly given how resourceful and smart you clearly are!

    regarding your enthusiastic reading, I am sure not one of the authors mentioned would begrudge you reading their books for free under the circumstances. If you haven't read it, you might enjoy Carl Sagan's book 'The Demon Haunted World - Science as a candle in the dark', it is a favourite of mine (and is available in PDF form on the interwebs).

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