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OP - January 26, 2015, 05:52 PM

About these cases of 500 newly discovered
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29642997

But Im not sure people are understanding that they shouldn't be suprised. If women or girls from countries where fgm is prevalent, surely it's very likely that a large number would have undergone fgm. Aside from the fact that these girls and women should receive all the care they need, the relevant issue is how many have undergone fgm AFTER moving to the UK. I suspect that's what most think when they read the headline.
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Reply #1 - January 31, 2015, 12:06 PM

UK's first female genital mutilation prosecutions announced

About fucking time. I feel secure in saying that if these were white vaginas it wouldn't have taken this long. Fucking PC bollocks.

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Reply #2 - February 05, 2015, 03:00 PM

Doctor found not guilty of performing FGM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31138218

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11390629/NHS-doctor-cleared-of-performing-FGM-amid-claims-he-was-used-as-a-scapegoat.html

Not suprised.
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Reply #3 - February 05, 2015, 03:16 PM

Quote from: Skywalker on February 05, 2015, 03:00 PM
Doctor found not guilty of performing FGM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31138218

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11390629/NHS-doctor-cleared-of-performing-FGM-amid-claims-he-was-used-as-a-scapegoat.html

Not suprised.

hello Skywalker his lawyer which you see down here

Says .." labelling him a criminal would not stop FGM in the UK" ., would you disagree with it? and what would you suggest for stopping this FGM in UK and in other countries?

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Reply #4 - February 05, 2015, 03:38 PM

It didn't suprise me that he was exonerated as I suspected that there was something wrong with the case since the woman was married and had a child with her husband, whats the point with fgm then? Also, the doctor doesn't seem to be from a community that practices fgm. Even if it was Islamic fgm, it wouldn't include closure of the vulva, which was what the doctor seems to have been accused of when partially re-stitching.
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Reply #5 - February 05, 2015, 04:10 PM

I think the first thing that needs to be done is a survey of the women that where born in the UK to asses the risk for girls in the UK. That can be done as these women, born in the UK, are having their first child in the UK. 500 or 2000 or more who've gone through fgm revealed, doesn't say much about how many of them have gone through fgm AFTER arrival to the UK.
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Reply #6 - March 10, 2015, 04:09 AM

Shooting the savages who mutilate children might bring about a reduction in new cases.

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Reply #7 - May 05, 2015, 05:38 PM

When women and girls who come from countries with high prevalence of fgm move to the UK/EU/US , they're likely to have undergone fgm by the time arrive.This is why it's problematic when there are reports of 'discoveries' of fgm cases, as these reports aren't distinguishing between those who've undergone fgm prior to immigration and those who've undergone fgm after.
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Reply #8 - May 05, 2015, 05:47 PM

Maybe there should be medicals for people wanting to immigrate into the country?
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Reply #9 - May 05, 2015, 05:52 PM

Medicals
Do you mean medical test?
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Reply #10 - May 05, 2015, 05:53 PM

That too. What I meant though is checks on people coming in to the country which would pick up on FGM from the outset.
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Reply #11 - May 05, 2015, 05:54 PM

Shocking!
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Reply #12 - May 05, 2015, 05:55 PM

It was a question/suggestion Hassan not a validation or endorsement.
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Reply #13 - May 05, 2015, 06:01 PM

Sorry, Lily I was commenting on the original post - I should have made that clear.
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Reply #14 - May 05, 2015, 06:05 PM

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I changed my post prior to your post....so medical test then.

I think that there's a way to distinguish between the two groups. By looking specifically at those girls who are born in the UK, you can make an estimate of how probable it is for a girl to undergo fgm after arrival. So if doctors were to look at women who are born to families from a country were fgm is prevalent, when they're having a checkup at the gynocologist or during childbirth, they could make an estimate and conclude whether the tradition continues at some level or not.
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Reply #15 - May 05, 2015, 06:11 PM

Quote from: Hassan on May 05, 2015, 06:01 PM
Sorry, Lily I was commenting on the original post - I should have made that clear.

Not sure you read that either
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Reply #16 - May 05, 2015, 06:34 PM

I read the link, which says:

NHS figures show 467 newly identified cases of girls and women needing treatment after female genital mutilation in England last month.

A further 1,279 people, who had already been identified, were receiving treatment according to the Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC) data.

It is the first time the NHS has collected figures on the criminal act.

The children's charity the NSPCC said the numbers were "shocking".

The cutting of girls' genitalia has been illegal in Britain since 1985, but nobody has been convicted in the courts.
The HSCIC data is an attempt to understand the scale of the problem.

It shows the crime is happening in all regions in England although half of the cases were in London.

I get the impression from that, that these girls had been "circumcised" here in the UK? No?
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Reply #17 - May 05, 2015, 06:47 PM

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It shows the crime is happening in all regions in England although half of the cases were in London.

The last point makes an assumption that those newly identified cases are specifically about cases after arrival to the UK, which is what I was getting at in my first post.
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