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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     OP - January 14, 2015, 05:34 PM

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    After three years of research in texts of 10 biggest religions linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
    JANUARY 12, 2015 , BY NICOLAI SENNELS

    What makes this research project special is that it is not done by somebody working inside the field of religion, but by a linguist. Magaard’s conclusion that “If it is true that many Muslims view the Qur’an as God’s own words that can not be interpreted or rephrased, we have a problem.” is spot on. And unfortunately the answer is yes, it is true: 75 percent of Muslims in Europe think that the Quran can not be interpreted.

    Translated from JP:


    “For three years a Danish linguist has analyzed the basic texts of 10 religions. She concludes that the texts of Islam stand out by encouraging terrorism and violence more than other religions. …

    On the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center, the Danish linguist Tina Magaard presented an analysis that questions the relationship between Islam and terrorism, violence and holy war.

    Islam’s religious texts call upon its followers to commit terror and to fight to a much higher degree than any other religion, concludes Tina Magaard, who graduated from the Sorbonne in Paris as a Ph.D. in Textual Analysis and Intercultural Communication after a three-year research project that compared the basic texts of 10 religions.

    ‘The texts in Islam are clearly distinct from the other religious texts as they to a much higher degree call for violence and aggression against followers of other faiths. There are also direct incitements to terror. This has long been a taboo in research in Islam, but it is a fact we have to acknowledge,’ says Tina Magaard.

    Furthermore, the Quran contains hundreds of calls to fight against followers of other faiths.

    ‘If it is true that many Muslims view the Quran as God’s own words that can not be interpreted or rephrased, we have a problem.'”


    http://10news.dk/after-three-years-of-research-in-texts-of-10-biggest-religions-linguist-concludes-islam-is-the-most-violent-religion/
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #1 - January 14, 2015, 06:35 PM

    I have reservations about expressing these sorts of generalizations in absolute terms, or as a matter of technical research which requires specialists.  The 'violence' in a text is not some sort of clear abstract quantity that lends itself to meaningful quantification.

    And the headline of the news article is misleading, conflating sacred texts with the historical religion.  If you just looked at the New Testament text, you'd conclude that Christianity is one of the most radically peaceful and non-violent religions ever.  But Christianity isn't just the New Testament, and in fact Christianity has been one of the most violent religions ever.

    There is certainly a lot to be said about researching the connection between the Qur'an's text and the use of violence within Islam, but I guess to me this scholar's particular approach (as briefly described in the article) seems reductive and partisan.
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #2 - January 14, 2015, 06:54 PM

    @Zoatar and then people would say that you wrong viz-a-viz TNT as there are a host of violent and uncivilised statements within the text.

    Also, (this is the sociologist in me) how would one define violence?

    Strucutral violence? Systemic violence? Direct violence?

    I'd understand the context of the statement if it referred to Islam as an emerging polity whose founder not only explicitly endorsed violence but utilised it as a form of prosletysing the faith, obtaining the bounty and rewarding its believers with promises in the hereafter for engaging in such conduct. I think that's the key difference between Islam and many (all?) other major religions - Muhammad was a warrior who planned, conducted and innovated warfare for his people. He united, or inspired, disparate tribes to band together and invade other lands. This is no mean feat and to do this there was an element of coercion involved, both temporal and unearthly. Islam is a violent religion and definitely in a league of it's own...but that's on account of my gross ignorance of other religious texts/practices.

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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #3 - January 14, 2015, 07:26 PM

    There are just too many elements to "Islam" is my point.  The Qur'an itself has multiple layers.  Then you have the hadith.  Then you have the exegetes.  Then you have the sirah.  Then you have historical Islamic communities and movements.  Then the separate question of the historical Mohammed.  Then fiqh.  Then the vexed question of what the significance of Mohammed's life and teachings actually is ... not an easy question to answer at all, and Muslims have answered it in an incredibly varied set of ways.

    So when you talk about violence and Islam, to me it is only really helpful when done as a matter of careful historical discussion, at a broad level, rather than reductively focusing on a specific text.  The proof of a religion's proclivity for violence is almost meaningless at the pure textual level.  It becomes meaningful as a historical totality.

    I do think Islam, as a historical religion, has many elements that tend to make it more 'violent,' in terms of forcibly imposing its religious views, than most other religions.  And certainly part of that is the content of Islamic texts, particularly the Qur'an.  But it's just not as simple as determining whether the texts themselves are violent or not in the abstract -- it's a product of the whole.

    For example, if you took the year 650 AD and compared the emerging "Islam," the Byzantines, the Jews, and the deposed Sassanian Persians, who had the more 'violent' religion?  In many ways it was the Byzantines and Jews that were the worst and most violent rulers.  Almost everybody seems to have generally preferred Arab rule because the Persians, Byzantines, and Jews had set the bar so low.
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #4 - January 14, 2015, 07:32 PM

    Interesting stuff guys! Was hoping to trigger discussion!
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #5 - January 14, 2015, 11:23 PM

    I reiterate that the view on the OP has a lot of merit in relation to the traditional narrative of Islam and Muhammad. When talking of Islam and texts they all point to a Mo that advocated violence as well as instrumentalised as a form of political and social control.

    Islam is a virulently violent ideology and political system. Whereas the OT is rooted in history and appears to speak of violence is a past tense - the Muslim tests have a very here and now feel to it. There will be blood aka End Days which is what the hadith and Koranic literature is awash with. Not to mention that it obsesses with the afterlife and its eternal punishment.

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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #6 - January 15, 2015, 03:29 AM

    I would have to say that the only way I could qualify this is if she separated the Old Testament/Injil bits out of the Quran. Those references to Allah's previous temper tantrums would be common to three religions, not one, and would not be new ideas specific to Islam. Regurgitating another religion's violent history shouldn't count.
    I find it really hard to believe that the OT was less violent than Quran. That book horrified me as a child.

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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #7 - January 15, 2015, 04:21 AM

    the OT is rooted in history and appears to speak of violence is a past tense -

    That was always how it struck me as a Church of England kid.

    The Old Testament was a 'history' book, the New was the nub of the faith. Leviticus etc. had essentially been abrogated.
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #8 - January 15, 2015, 09:18 AM



    Is there a link to the study in English. A newspaper with one quote does not make a study.

    Islam is a virulently violent ideology and political system. Whereas the OT is rooted in history and appears to speak of violence is a past tense - the Muslim tests have a very here and now feel to it. There will be blood aka End Days which is what the hadith and Koranic literature is awash with. Not to mention that it obsesses with the afterlife and its eternal punishment.


    I would have to say that the only way I could qualify this is if she separated the Old Testament/Injil bits out of the Quran. Those references to Allah's previous temper tantrums would be common to three religions, not one, and would not be new ideas specific to Islam. Regurgitating another religion's violent history shouldn't count.
    I find it really hard to believe that the OT was less violent than Quran. That book horrified me as a child.


    It is a mistake to treat the OT as history since a number of events have no historical merit. However it fine as a theological narrative which has some history behind it.

     If you look at a number of the horrible events in the OT many of these are God's Will not commands as per the Quran. Judges 7:2-3 has God commanding the Israelites to disband a majority of their army so victory is by God's Will rather than the believer's acts. This strictly puts the believer as a puppet/tool rather than an independent being which is enforcing a command as a choice and thus free-will. If you read the full chapter God hand picks which men are to fight reducing the army from 30,000 to 300 men. Those that fought acknowledged the suspension of their rights of "being" as tools. Joshua 5:13-14 likewise has the believer function as a direct tool of God's Will while making the ground Holy. For a place to be Holy is recognize Divine Presence at a location. This is different from a synagogue which only some are considered Holy. Joshua 6 and Joshua 10 shows God's Will not the actions of the believers delivered victory. Besides God's Will as an act on the believer tool these verses also show God's Will upon the unbeliever. Leviticus 19:33-34 is a command not an act of God's Will, I mention this to provide a distinction between God's Will and God's Command.

    So we have a theological distinction between a descriptive events and a prescriptive command using the previous verses. While the Quran has distinctions between believer and non-believer as political commands. The Quran has a greater emphasis on commands rather than God's Will when it comes to questionable treatment of non-believers. This is a direct contradiction to the idea of the Hebrews as the Light of God, representatives of God's Commands and Will as per above. Unequal treatment between a non-believer and believer in the Commands which dictate political and social concepts would cast a shadow on the Light, Numbers 15:15-16, Leviticus 24:22, Exodus 23:9, Deuteronomy 24, Deuteronomy 10:18, Leviticus 19:33-34, Exodus 12:48-49, Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 56:7, Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:6.  Also keep in mind the OT is a sequence of events over centuries while the Quran is only of a few decades. So we have a chain of narrations in the OT which theological narratives develop the concept of God's Will within the world separate from the God's Commandments. While the Quran being the last within the chain of prophets can only allow one to infer a victory, defeat, plight, etc, as an act of God's Will. This lacks theological authority which allows anyone to claim God's Will, from peaceful to violent. The issue I see is the some of the Quran's verses which are applied to social and political are based on misinterpreting Commands with Will statements. Both the OT, Romans 15, and NT state God loves the unbeliever, while the Quran has many harsh words for the unbeliever, even one that is peacefully co-existing within a Muslim community. The NT itself is about unconditional love which is built upon the OT. The Quran is the direct opposite with it's unequal treatment between believers and unbeliever in which love is conditional. Allowing different court systems based on religious divides is unequal treatment and contradicts the OT.  Commandments which form political and social structures are material. Such structures are used to developed the spiritual connection with God only. The material has no value outside of acts which lead to spiritual development. By placing Muslims at the top of the political structure the Qur'an is expressing material favoritism. This is further reinforce by a distinction under Islamic law between Freeman and Slave; rights, punishments, etc.


  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #9 - January 16, 2015, 01:56 AM

    I am the thread killer!
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #10 - January 16, 2015, 02:39 AM

    Is there a link to the study in English. A newspaper with one quote does not make a study.

    It is a mistake to treat the OT as history since a number of events have no historical merit. However it fine as a theological narrative which has some history behind it.

     If you look at a number of the horrible events in the OT many of these are God's Will not commands as per the Quran. Judges 7:2-3 has God commanding the Israelites to disband a majority of their army so victory is by God's Will rather than the believer's acts. This strictly puts the believer as a puppet/tool rather than an independent being which is enforcing a command as a choice and thus free-will. If you read the full chapter God hand picks which men are to fight reducing the army from 30,000 to 300 men. Those that fought acknowledged the suspension of their rights of "being" as tools. Joshua 5:13-14 likewise has the believer function as a direct tool of God's Will while making the ground Holy. For a place to be Holy is recognize Divine Presence at a location. This is different from a synagogue which only some are considered Holy. Joshua 6 and Joshua 10 shows God's Will not the actions of the believers delivered victory. Besides God's Will as an act on the believer tool these verses also show God's Will upon the unbeliever. Leviticus 19:33-34 is a command not an act of God's Will, I mention this to provide a distinction between God's Will and God's Command.

    So we have a theological distinction between a descriptive events and a prescriptive command using the previous verses. While the Quran has distinctions between believer and non-believer as political commands. The Quran has a greater emphasis on commands rather than God's Will when it comes to questionable treatment of non-believers. This is a direct contradiction to the idea of the Hebrews as the Light of God, representatives of God's Commands and Will as per above. Unequal treatment between a non-believer and believer in the Commands which dictate political and social concepts would cast a shadow on the Light, Numbers 15:15-16, Leviticus 24:22, Exodus 23:9, Deuteronomy 24, Deuteronomy 10:18, Leviticus 19:33-34, Exodus 12:48-49, Isaiah 42:6, Isaiah 56:7, Isaiah 66:19, Isaiah 49:6.  Also keep in mind the OT is a sequence of events over centuries while the Quran is only of a few decades. So we have a chain of narrations in the OT which theological narratives develop the concept of God's Will within the world separate from the God's Commandments. While the Quran being the last within the chain of prophets can only allow one to infer a victory, defeat, plight, etc, as an act of God's Will. This lacks theological authority which allows anyone to claim God's Will, from peaceful to violent. The issue I see is the some of the Quran's verses which are applied to social and political are based on misinterpreting Commands with Will statements. Both the OT, Romans 15, and NT state God loves the unbeliever, while the Quran has many harsh words for the unbeliever, even one that is peacefully co-existing within a Muslim community. The NT itself is about unconditional love which is built upon the OT. The Quran is the direct opposite with it's unequal treatment between believers and unbeliever in which love is conditional. Allowing different court systems based on religious divides is unequal treatment and contradicts the OT.  Commandments which form political and social structures are material. Such structures are used to developed the spiritual connection with God only. The material has no value outside of acts which lead to spiritual development. By placing Muslims at the top of the political structure the Qur'an is expressing material favoritism. This is further reinforce by a distinction under Islamic law between Freeman and Slave; rights, punishments, etc.





    Ah, good points. I see. Yes, Quran is VERY conditional and does create a definite hierarchical system. It never occurred to me that unconditional was part of the OT, I assumed it was an NT trait.
    If you look at it that way and take the timespans into account, the article makes more sense. If you look at it from the viewpoint of a small child, each as a collection of violent stories, it might explain my perceptions.
    You are not a thread killer, I just have to do homework each night with each child and cannot get on here until they have gone to bed.

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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #11 - January 16, 2015, 08:54 AM

    The theological narrative is part of the problem of evil in which the Will of God is never an evil acts. So rather than pointing out how bad the Hebrews were look at how subjective God is with acts of Will
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #12 - January 16, 2015, 06:57 PM

    I do not consider the Bible to record history, but rather make historical claims in which the depiction of God is very violent.

    Fact is, more so than the Bible the Koran is primarily a political manifesto for the elite who had already establsihed themselves as in power. In fact, if one studies it, there is a transcendance from provocation to outright holy war. The Koran far exceeds the Bible in terms of its implciations as well as its injunctions etc. As I said, Islam is the Koran and Mohammad combined and both were extremely violent. There is no song of songs or as many 'hippie' verses ala New Testament. The Koran has the blueprint for a tyrannical system which was implemented during the time of Muhammad when non-Islam was driven out of Mecca (save for a picture of Jesus and the Ka'aba itself). That violence erupted following the death of Mo is no surprise.

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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #13 - January 16, 2015, 07:25 PM

    I don't know if any of y'all have ever read Renee Girard's fairly mind-blowing books on the connection between violence and the sacred, but they are pretty astonishing.

    http://www.amazon.com/Violence-Sacred-Ren%C3%A9-Girard/product-reviews/0801822181/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R1EDED49NNTATZ

    Although it's not easy to summarize Girard's argument, his basic point is that deities historically originate as a sort of ideological byproduct of resolving communal violence and imposing social order *through a form of communal divine violence* dedicated to the gods.

    In this sense, there is no such thing as a non-violent god.  The more violence, the more god becomes invoked in the sacred sense.  Without violence, gods degenerate into mere stories and vague feelings.

    It's characteristic of more developed forms of religion to *internalize* the violence in complicated ways within the life of the individual believer, whereas in more archaic times the violence is more extrinsic.  Jihad being an example.

    Christianity, for example, is thought of as a peaceful doctrine, but this peace is built upon the slain body of God, which the community ritually consumes as its core rite.

    A pretty amazing book!
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #14 - January 16, 2015, 08:26 PM

    The Quran has always struck me as the type of religious text that would be a politicians wet dream. An encouragement of fighting people deemed to be "unrighteous" even if you "desire peace," if you turn your back on the enemy in battle you will be sent to hell, an emphasis on martyrdom, a respect to give large portions of loot and booty to the authorities (Muhammad), and an emphasis on treating fellow believers kindly while dehumanizing outsiders. It all seems like the perfect religious text for expanding and maintaining an empire and keeping citizens under control. Top it off with some promises of cheap thrills in the afterlife if you obey the messenger (or subsequent authorities) and horrible punishment of you don't.

    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
    -Thomas Paine
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #15 - January 16, 2015, 08:33 PM

    Not to say there aren't a few good qualities to the Quran, but for the most part it creates the exact type of citizens a leader would want: zealous fighters and a fearful yet motivated populace.

    "I moreover believe that any religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system."
    -Thomas Paine
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #16 - January 16, 2015, 09:36 PM

    I don't know if any of y'all have ever read Renee Girard's fairly mind-blowing books on the connection between violence and the sacred, but they are pretty astonishing.

    http://www.amazon.com/Violence-Sacred-Ren%C3%A9-Girard/product-reviews/0801822181/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R1EDED49NNTATZ

    Although it's not easy to summarize Girard's argument, his basic point is that deities historically originate as a sort of ideological byproduct of resolving communal violence and imposing social order *through a form of communal divine violence* dedicated to the gods.

    In this sense, there is no such thing as a non-violent god.  The more violence, the more god becomes invoked in the sacred sense.  Without violence, gods degenerate into mere stories and vague feelings.

    It's characteristic of more developed forms of religion to *internalize* the violence in complicated ways within the life of the individual believer, whereas in more archaic times the violence is more extrinsic.  Jihad being an example.

    Christianity, for example, is thought of as a peaceful doctrine, but this peace is built upon the slain body of God, which the community ritually consumes as its core rite.

    A pretty amazing book!


    Yup I agree with this idea but not the last. The sacrifice of God in the form of Christ was to display love. The ultimate express of love is to sacrifice yourself not for your friends of family but for your enemies as well. God can not kill himself literally. Such an act would be unobservable to us thus meaningless. If one takes the position of God as the the one which sustains reality God's death would result in the physical and spiritual death of everyone. No world, no heaven, no hell. So Christ is a placeholder for God as an avatar which can die, being human form rather than God form. I would take more issues with the ritualized symbolic cannibalism than the Christ's death alone. This makes this sacrific different from one done to appease God in which an innocent human dies with no link to the divine as an avatar.
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #17 - January 16, 2015, 09:59 PM

    The Quran has always struck me as the type of religious text that would be a politicians wet dream. An encouragement of fighting people deemed to be "unrighteous" even if you "desire peace," if you turn your back on the enemy in battle you will be sent to hell, an emphasis on martyrdom, a respect to give large portions of loot and booty to the authorities (Muhammad), and an emphasis on treating fellow believers kindly while dehumanizing outsiders. It all seems like the perfect religious text for expanding and maintaining an empire and keeping citizens under control. Top it off with some promises of cheap thrills in the afterlife if you obey the messenger (or subsequent authorities) and horrible punishment of you don't.


    In this sense the Koran is a successor to 'The Art of War'. The greatest propaganda triumph: raise violence to the realm of the sacred. Thus, it's justification need not be articulated save 'tis the Will of Allah and any innocents slain will be received in the lap of Allah.

    Muhammad, unlike Moses or Jesus, was a warrior. He organised and led and fought in many raids and battles. He mingled with some of the best warriors. He negotiated treaties and led a successful campaign against the Meccans. He, in the matter of a years, banded together a tribal society into a well organised, loyal force. A force that hit the fan when he died but it was triumphant to raise hell throughout the Middle/Near East and beyond within a 100 years.

    These facts alone are overwhelming evidence that Islam or a proto-Islam not only was developing into a violent ideological state apparatus but that its founder had exhibited the tendencies that would mark its most pure and extreme form: the subjugation of the masses to the Will of Allah which is Islam. Islam means submission.

    Renee's thesis is obvious to those who have studied Islam and the devlopment/conjuring of verses/hadiths but I'd like to see the other examples used to bolster the claims. I love these kinds of works so long as they are not overly laid with BS jargon that impresses non but self-aggrandising muppet.

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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #18 - January 17, 2015, 12:19 AM

    Yup I agree with this idea but not the last. The sacrifice of God in the form of Christ was to display love. The ultimate express of love is to sacrifice yourself not for your friends of family but for your enemies as well. God can not kill himself literally. Such an act would be unobservable to us thus meaningless. If one takes the position of God as the the one which sustains reality God's death would result in the physical and spiritual death of everyone. No world, no heaven, no hell. So Christ is a placeholder for God as an avatar which can die, being human form rather than God form. I would take more issues with the ritualized symbolic cannibalism than the Christ's death alone. This makes this sacrific different from one done to appease God in which an innocent human dies with no link to the divine as an avatar.


    Setting aside debates about the 'meaning' of the death of Jesus (which could, and do, fill dozens of libraries), the point was just that the central crux of the religion is the *death* via *violent crucifixion* of God's own Son, who himself was God, sent down by God to die for our sins.  After three days, he then rose again, having defeated death itself.  And that this is remembered via the central Christian rite, which is drinking the symbolic blood and eating the symbolic flesh of the divine sacrifice, thus creating the holy Christian community.

    That is why the central symbol of Christianity is a crucifix upon which Jesus was tortured and killed.

    The religion itself thus springs from a radical sacrificial killing of the deity itself ... unless you go by the Qur'anic version (wink wink!) in which Jesus supposedly did not die.

    My point isn't to go on at great length about theories of atonement and whatnot, but just to emphasize how tightly bound conceptions of the sacred are with acts of violence, which is Girard's theory, the sacred is inherently born from communal violence.  So any religion that is obsessed with an omnipotent sacred God is likely to be violent, although this can be internalized to some degree (as with ascetic mortification) rather than turned on the external world.
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #19 - May 03, 2015, 06:36 AM

    Whereas the OT is rooted in history and appears to speak of violence is a past tense

    I'm willing to bet my life savings that if the Amalekites were still around, news stories of christians murdering them would be common place. Not saying all christians or even most, it would be a minority, but when you saw it in the paper or on the news, it wouldn't surprise you it's happened again.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #20 - December 19, 2015, 02:51 AM

    http://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Story_of_Umm_Qirfa

    How can anyone justify killing an old woman in this fashion?

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #21 - December 19, 2015, 03:28 AM

    Allah and his apostle know best or some such nonsense I imagine.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #22 - December 19, 2015, 04:10 AM

    I just sent this article to a Muslim online and do you know how he responded?

    "Uh, well, why are you pointing out such small things in the Prophet's life? Why don't you look at the bigger picture? He, uhh, gave women their rights.."

    So annoying.

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #23 - December 19, 2015, 04:24 AM

    Yeah. Because Khadijah sure didn´t have any before she met Muhammed.

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  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #24 - December 19, 2015, 04:27 AM

    Well, Mo did give them rights. The fact those rights might be shitter than what they had before islam is besides the point.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #25 - December 19, 2015, 04:39 AM

    What I point out with Muslims who have that argument is...

    Human Rights Today > Women's Rights under Sharia Law


    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #26 - December 19, 2015, 04:43 AM

    The pointy thing meaning sharia is better than modern human rights?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #27 - December 19, 2015, 04:58 AM

    it's a "greater than" sign haha

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #28 - December 19, 2015, 05:01 AM

    Why do muslims argue that human rights laws are greater than sharia?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • linguist concludes: Islam is the most violent religion.
     Reply #29 - December 19, 2015, 05:03 AM

    No I was saying I point that out to them whenever they say, "Islam gave women rights"

    I point out and ask them, "What are better rights? Getting stoned to death or Human Rights of today?"

    "If you don't like your religion's fundamentalists, then maybe there's something wrong with your religion's fundamentals."
    "Demanding blind respect but not offering any respect in reciprocation is laughable."
    "Let all the people in all the worlds be in peace."
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