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  • Elephants in Arabia
     OP - December 19, 2014, 06:47 AM

    what was surah al fil about? acoording to traditional sources, a Yemeni king marched an entire army on elephants to mecca to destroy the kaaba. but this doesn't sound plausible. how can there be elephants in Arabia? they're not native to the land. if so, how were they transported there? and how could entire battalions of elephants be made to march through the Arabian desert from yemen to mecca?

    I don't think that this story could be believed by Muslims by thousands of years without there being an explanation for it. are there any muslim explanations on how Abraha achieved this seemingly impossible feat?

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #1 - December 19, 2014, 09:42 AM

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    Hannibal Barca, son of Hamilcar Barca[n 1] (247 – 183/182/181 BC)[n 2] was a Punic Carthaginian military commander, generally considered one of the greatest military commanders in history.


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    Hannibal recognized that he still needed to cross the Pyrenees, the Alps, and many significant rivers.[24] Additionally, he would have to contend with opposition from the Gauls, whose territory he passed through. Starting in the spring of 218 BC, he crossed the Pyrenees and, by conciliating the Gaulish chiefs along his passage, reached the River Rhône before the Romans could take any measures to bar his advance. Arriving at the Rhône in September, Hannibal's army numbered 38,000 infantry, 8,000 cavalry, and 38 elephants, almost all of which would not survive the harsh conditions of the Alps


    Elephants have been used in war for a long time.

    What is more interesting why anyone would bother to use their very specialist expensive and fragile weaponry against a one goat village in the middle of a desert.

    Methinks there are propaganda reasons for this tale of daring do. 



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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #2 - December 19, 2014, 10:13 AM

    It makes sense if it was a Northern Arabian city being attacked, by for example a Persian ruler...  whistling2

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #3 - December 19, 2014, 10:35 AM

    how can there be elephants in Arabia? they're not native to the land.


    Well Hannibal invaded Rome from north of the Alps with elephants. Before that he had crossed the Pyrenees with them.

    Someone shipping an elephant to Yemen is not completely unfeasible.

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #4 - December 19, 2014, 11:12 AM

    Elephants in Yemen isn't something unfeasible, no. However, transporting a whole army of elephants cross the Arabian desert all the way to Makkah, that is something that seems a little strange. Do you know how much water and food an elephant needs? Where are you going to find that in the middle of the scorching desert?

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #5 - December 19, 2014, 01:26 PM

    Elephants were used in war by Ethiopians and the Himyarite kingdom - roughly modern Yemen and part of south-west Saudi Arabia - was invaded by Ethiopians in the sixth century. So it's plausible that elephants were used in a raid on Mecca.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #6 - December 19, 2014, 01:46 PM

    However, transporting a whole army of elephants cross the Arabian desert all the way to Makkah, that is something that seems a little strange. Do you know how much water and food an elephant needs? Where are you going to find that in the middle of the scorching desert?


    Same places where one find food and water for the horses and camels?

    An elephant can go 4 days before having to get refueled says Sheikh Google.

    Also doesn't "Al-Fil" indicate only one elephant?

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #7 - December 19, 2014, 01:49 PM

    Perhaps, I just found it strange while Muslim and I find it strange now, that one would invest so much both in terms of time, effort and resources, for a small desert town in the middle of Arabia.

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #8 - December 19, 2014, 03:24 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5O_NUhrK0

    When you are a Bear of Very Little Brain, and you Think of Things, you find sometimes that a Thing which seemed very Thingish inside you is quite different when it gets out into the open and has other people looking at it.


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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #9 - December 19, 2014, 04:42 PM



    This book covers the period. It mentions the elephants but I can't remember exactly what it says. I'll have to check.
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Throne-Adulis-Emblems-Antiquity/dp/0199739323

    Review: http://www.historytoday.com/blog/2014/01/red-sea-wars-eve-islam

    Here's the start of a more useful review by Stephen Shoemaker.
    http://muse.jhu.edu/login?auth=0&type=summary&url=/journals/journal_of_early_christian_studies/v022/22.2.shoemaker.pdf
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    This brief book offers a lively introduction to the early history of Ethiopia and its relations with South Arabia. In it Bowersock opens up for readers the world of ancient East Africa primarily through the careful exegesis of two inscriptions that once were found on a now lost monument, the throne of Adulis, for which the book is titled. Our knowledge of this ancient structure comes entirely from the famous sixth-century traveler and geographer, Cosmas Indicopleustes, who saw the monument in the city of Adulis on the coast of the Red Sea sometime around 525 c.e. Cosmas had been tasked with making a transcription of these Greek inscriptions for the Ethiopian king in Axum, and apparently he kept a copy for himself, which he then included in his Christian Topography.

    Bowersock’s decision to focus on this pair of vanished inscriptions may initially seem a bit odd, particularly since so many other inscriptions from the region do survive. Nevertheless, this is partly explained by the fact that this book was commissioned for a series on emblematic objects or events, but also by the fact that one of the inscriptions in question “is undoubtedly the earliest of all known Axumite royal inscriptions” (45). Moreover, the nature of the object itself, with inscriptions from two different periods and its description during a third period, enables it to serve as an emblem of ancient Ethiopia in three distinct periods: the Hellenistic period, the early Roman Empire, and late antiquity.

    Accordingly, the object affords Bowersock an opportunity to survey the history of Ethiopia in antiquity from the Ptolemies to the rise of Islam through the interpretation of its inscriptions and Cosmas’s account. Yet in this respect the book is seemingly a bit mistitled, at least in its subtitle: “Red Sea Wars on the Eve of Islam.” Only about twenty-five pages at the end of the book concern the wars of the sixth century and the rise of Islam, with the remainder largely focused on earlier events. One imagines that “the Eve of Islam” may have been added to increase sales, and readers interested specifically in the conflicts in South Arabia during the sixth century as a backdrop for the beginnings of Islam should probably look instead to another recent (and even more brief) publication by Bowersock, Empires in Collision in Late Antiquity (Brandeis University Press, 2012).

    The book begins with a description of the throne itself, at least as reported by Cosmas, who is then himself the focus of the following chapter. The third chapter focuses on the Hellenistic inscription, which is placed in the broader context of Ptolemy III’s rule and dated between 246–44 b.c.e. This early inscription, it is worth noting, was found not on the throne itself but on a stele that stood immediately behind it. The next chapter considers the throne’s inscription, which Bowersock dates to the late second or early third century. It preserves a record of imperial conquest in East Africa and beyond that Bowersock correlates with other roughly contemporary inscriptions from the region. Bowersock then turns in the subsequent chapters to the topic of Ethiopia’s conversion to Christianity and the intriguing role that Judaism played in the cultures of South Arabia during late antiquity. The final three chapters cover respectively the bloody conflict between Jews and Christians in South Arabia during the early sixth century; the involvement of the Romans and Persians in this regional conflict; and the rise of Islam in the early seventh.

    I found least successful those chapters to which the subtitle draws the reader’s focus: the final chapters in which Bowersock attempts to build connections with the beginnings of Islam. Bowersock seems to have more confidence in the accuracy of the early Islamic historical sources than I believe is warranted (see e.g. 159 n.15). Moreover, his criticisms of proposals by Hawting and Crone that the “pagans” of the Qur’an were in fact monotheists who also prayed to intermediary beings subordinate to God are not persuasive. Rather, Bowersock’s critique seems to operate from a rather rigid position that cannot envision that the opponents of these “associators” (as the Qur...

  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #10 - December 19, 2014, 11:45 PM

    Myth from top to bottom IMO ... The Surah gave rise to this story, not the other way around.  The surah is largely incomprehensible and the Classical Arabic reading very doubtful guesswork.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #11 - December 19, 2014, 11:56 PM

    Wish I could read that whole Shoemaker review!
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #12 - December 20, 2014, 12:16 AM

    Elephants were used in war by Ethiopians and the Himyarite kingdom - roughly modern Yemen and part of south-west Saudi Arabia - was invaded by Ethiopians in the sixth century. So it's plausible that elephants were used in a raid on Mecca.


    The Sura is directly linked to such an invasion. The person is the same as the invasion years before. From my point of view the story is borrowed as many myths are borrowed by neighboring cultures. The Alexander Romance, or legend, had nothing to do with Abraham's religion but were adapted. Legends of Troy were borrowed by the Romans. The sura formed a legend in it's own right but seems more theological than factual.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #13 - January 21, 2015, 08:32 PM

    I just happened across a discussion of the widespread story in which the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius held off counterattacking the Sassanids because he dreamed that the last Sassanid Persian emperor Khosrau was riding an elephant and chasing him.  When Heraclius dreamed that he himself was riding an elephant and chasing Khosrau, he knew it was time to attack.

    Since the Arab conquest largely took place in the collapse of Byzantine and Sassanian authority, it's interesting that elephants figure in the most widely circulated narrative about Heraclius deciding to counterattack.  But as it turns out, the Persians were known for battling against the earliest Muslims using Indian elephants (totally different species from Ethiopian elephants), which the Muslims defeated.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_al-Q%C4%81disiyyah

    It would seem quite possible that the "companions of the elephant" refers in Surah 105 not to a Himyarite assault on Mecca, but rather a failed Persian assault on either the Arabs or the Byzantines ... in other words, the Sassanids are the companions of the elephant.  And indeed, the Sassanids ruled Yemen until (in traditional Muslim narrative) the 'false prophet' expelled the Persians, around the year 630, whereupon Mohammed had Al-Aswad Al-Ansi assassinated (!) and Muslims thereby took over Yemen.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Aswad_Al-Ansi

    Thus I suspect it is more likely that the 'companions of the elephant' in Surah 105 were not Mecca-raiding Himyarites, but rather infidel Sassanian Persians, who after all had repeatedly invaded and conquered the Northern and Southern parts of the Arabian peninsula over the centuries, horribly oppressing the Christians and aiding the Jews.  If that's right, then Surah 105 basically commemorates the defeat of these Eastern infidels (which specific defeat, impossible to say).  Like the Qur'an's telling of the story of Dhul l Qarnayn, what we have here is an Arabic repetition of Syriac apocalyptic themes in the context of the imperial struggle between the Byzantines and the Sassanians.

    This still doesn't get around the problem that the Surah's language seems to be dodgy and confused, and is clearly an instance of salvation history rather than real history, but I think it's an interesting theory about why we have elephants in the mix.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #14 - January 21, 2015, 08:50 PM

    Btw, here is a long and very detailed article about the elephants in the Sassanid army ... they were well known for using war elephants, far more than anybody else during that era, and the Persians had regularly used elephants in their battles against the Romans and provincial peoples.

    http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/elephant-ii-sasanian-army

    So it seems to me that when you think about the "companions of the elephants" and praising their defeat in battle, the first place to start interpreting that would be the enemy empire that for centuries had constantly used elephants in battle across the region and in the context where the Qur'an was formed.  That would be the Sassanids; alternatively you might say it was the Axumites under Emperor Abraha (who are also supposed to have used elephants in Yemen), but that would be hard to understand given that they defeated the Jewish oppressors and protected Christians against them -- you would expect Surah 105 to refer to this as a positive, and also the Axumites in Yemen don't seem to have been defeated except by the Persians.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #15 - January 21, 2015, 09:41 PM

    There is also this figure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraha

    I see you mention him. Just providing a link to the person.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #16 - January 21, 2015, 11:43 PM

    Elephants have been used in war for a long time.

    What is more interesting why anyone would bother to use their very specialist expensive and fragile weaponry against a one goat village in the middle of a desert.

    Methinks there are propaganda reasons for this tale of daring do. 




    I have attended a lecture about pre-islamic history in the arabian peninsula a while back by a prominent french archaeologist and you are spot on.

    The evidence he found points to the following:

    -There was a large military campaign from yemen or habasha by a major king (they were under the same rule at the time) in arabia and it's main objective was Al-hirah in iraq which was a major city at the time, not mecca. The emblem of said king was the elephant, wether it was used in battle or not is unknown.

    -mecca was indeed an impoverished town and not worthy of any large scale military campaign, but it was on the way to al-hirah.

    -fate of said campaign is unknown and only speculation exists, but that is common because recorded history of that era and location is difficult to acquire and sketchy at best.

    -reign of this king was 535CE-550~

    Freebie interesting/funny tidbits from the same lecture:

    -Roman presence in yemen(200-300~CE)
    -The name muhammed appearing on tablets and large rocks predating islam on different locations and of different people. Also, arabic at that time was not developed enough so muhammed was written the same way as mahmud (arabic didn't have و ) so which is which is unknown.
    -jewish presence in yemen was large enough and strong enough to be capable of the genocide of over 300 people.

    I am forgetting some things so I omitted what I don't remember clearly.


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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #17 - January 21, 2015, 11:55 PM

    That's very interesting Kulay, and the other thing about al-Hirah is that it was a hotbed of pre-Islamic Arabic Christianity, particularly Syriac, and for that reason has been speculated by some scholars to be the source of some of the ur-Qur'anic material, particularly of the Early Meccan surahs (including Surah 105, which Noldeke puts as one of the very oldest surahs in the Qur'an).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Hirah

    So it would at least fit the plotline of a failed assault on a pre-Islamic Christian Arabic community by 'companions of the elephant.'
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #18 - January 22, 2015, 01:02 AM

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    he other thing about al-Hirah is that it was a hotbed of pre-Islamic Arabic Christianity, particularly Syriac

    You are correct on that account, thank you for bringing that up. I forgot to mention that.
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    So it would at least fit the plotline of a failed assault on a pre-Islamic Christian Arabic community by 'companions of the elephant.

    one of the evidence used for that was writing on a rock predating the birth of the prophet by many years that was commemorating  the start of the campaign and clearly mentions al-hira as the goal of the campaign.

    another fun fact is the use of the word priest in arabic (قسيس) which originally meant the equivalent of the word (قصيص) in modern arabic which translates into the word storyteller which when put into perspective with muhammad's relationship with khadija's cousin (waraqa ibn nauful) sheds new light to the origin of muhammad's stories because arabic alphabet was still in it's infancy and the letter ( ص ) also did not exist at the time.

    TLDR: waraqa ibn nauful was most probably just a glorified storyteller and the source of many of muhammad's stories.

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #19 - January 22, 2015, 10:03 AM

    Could we link the plague of Justinian within this narrative? The plague hit major sea ports along with areas in the Sassanid Empire. These type of events tend to cause a destabilizing factor for more developed civilizations with urban centers. From a strictly Byzantium history it causes the rural groups along the border regions to attack the Empire due to said instability. It had at least four recorded outbreaks. With this in mind Yemen could possibly be a border region which used the instability of the dominate Empires for a land grab. It could also have been a focus point for spreading the disease as Yemen contained some of the only significant urban populations. Plagues are usually associated with God's Will so this could be a source of the theological input rather than the victory itself. It also fits the timeline
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #20 - January 27, 2015, 07:24 PM

    Not to beat a dead elephant, but I now think Surah al Fil may be a reference to 2 Maccabees, in which the infidel Seleucid Persians repeatedly attack Jerusalem with armies including "eighty elephants" and "twenty-two elephants."  According to 2 Maccabees, which mentions war elephants at five different points, Maccabeus heroically defeats the Seleucid Persian army which (as discussed above) is commonly known for using war elephants.  From 2 Mac 13:

    "In the one hundred and forty-ninth year word came to Judas and his men that Antiochus Eupator was coming with a great army against Judea,
    [2] and with him Lysias, his guardian, who had charge of the government. Each of them had a Greek force of one hundred and ten thousand infantry, five thousand three hundred cavalry, twenty-two elephants, and three hundred chariots armed with scythes."

    In 2 Maccabees, Yahweh repeatedly sends angel Jewish warriors who magically fight alongside Maccabeus, and who confuse and blast the enemy and their army w/ elephants.  Example:

    "[30] Surrounding Maccabeus and protecting him with their own armor and weapons, they kept him from being wounded. And they showered arrows and thunderbolts upon the enemy, so that, confused and blinded, they were thrown into disorder and cut to pieces."

    The more I think about it (and I guess I hadn't really thought much about 2 Maccabees before, since it's considered non-canonical by Protestants and Jews), the more this fits very beautifully with the Biblical subtext of the early Qur'anic surahs, such that what we have here in Surah al Fil is not an actual Arabian battle against elephants but rather a reiteration of the glorious Biblical story (2 Mac being in the Catholic Bible) when the believers defended their holy city against the infidel invaders and their elephants, with the aid of Yahweh's magical attacks to confuse and disorder the enemy .... but the holy city was actually *Jerusalem* and the elephants were the *Seleucid army*.  Here is how 2 Maccabees ends:

    [20]  When all were now looking forward to the coming decision, and the enemy was already close at hand with their army drawn up for battle, the elephants strategically stationed and the cavalry deployed on the flanks,
    [21] Maccabeus, perceiving the hosts that were before him and the varied supply of arms and the savagery of the elephants, stretched out his hands toward heaven and called upon the Lord who works wonders; for he knew that it is not by arms, but as the Lord decides, that he gains the victory for those who deserve it.
    [22] And he called upon him in these words: "O Lord, thou didst send thy angel in the time of Hezekiah king of Judea, and he slew fully a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the camp of Sennacherib.
    [23] So now, O Sovereign of the heavens, send a good angel to carry terror and trembling before us.
    [24] By the might of thy arm may these blasphemers who come against thy holy people be struck down." With these words he ended his prayer.
    [25] Nicanor and his men advanced with trumpets and battle songs;
    [26] and Judas and his men met the enemy in battle with invocation to God and prayers.
    [27] So, fighting with their hands and praying to God in their hearts, they laid low no less than thirty-five thousand men, and were greatly gladdened by God's manifestation.
    [28] When the action was over and they were returning with joy, they recognized Nicanor, lying dead, in full armor.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #21 - January 29, 2015, 08:57 PM

    zoatar that's brilliant. Lateral thinking, makes sense, novel, but believable. When are you going to write your book?Huh?Huh?

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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #22 - January 29, 2015, 09:39 PM

    Ha ha thanks, I think it's a crafty hypothesis, but to really turn it into a detailed academic argument would require things like (a) closely analyzing the orthography, language, and grammar of the Qur'anic text and its variant readings; (b) closely analyzing the orthography, language, and grammar of the related sections of 2 Maccabees, particularly as interpreted through Aramaic channels in the context of Late Antiquity; (c) closely analyzing the tafsir literature; (d) closely reading prior Western scholarship on this Surah.

    If I were unemployed and had no kids, this is something I might do, since the more I think about it the more the hypothesis makes good sense, certainly far more sense than a pre-Islamic elephant war on the tiny barren valley of Mecca.  We already have a canonical (for Catholics and Orthodox) Biblical story about an assault by an elephant army on the holy city that God foiled by magically blasting the attackers.  So wouldn't that be the presumed subtext here?

    It is interesting, however, to go through the surah word-by-word, and think about whether the alleged Arabic reading of its terms (including the doubtful hapax legomen "ababila," usually interpreted as "flocks") really makes sense.  I suspect what we have here in this "Early Meccan" surah is another garbled very old pre-Islamic text with a strong Aramaic substrate.

    http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=105&verse=1

    Notice, for example, that the word "tayran," read as "the birds" which is right before the hapax "ababila" is actually closely associated in the Qur'an with the word from the same root used to mean "evil omens" as well as "fate."  So I would not be surprised if this phrase (and the pelting with "sijjilin") actually should be read very differently as referring to some sort of omen or fate that Allah slammed the attackers with ... not birds pelting people with pieces of clay, which sounds like a misreading (though it is not impossible that it refers to some sort of legend).

    http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Tyr#%28105:3:3%29
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #23 - January 29, 2015, 09:58 PM

    So after I wrote that, I googled Syriac and 2 Maccabees.  Well, as it turns out there were bucketloads of different pre-Islamic Maccabee texts, including even an ancient Arabic version.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Maccabees

    There are also some very strange and bizarre Ethiopic versions called Meqabyan (!) which are in the Ethiopian Orthodox canon.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meqabyan

    Wading through all that would take months.  But I guess the general point here is that the whole region of Semitic pre-Islamic religions seem to have been suffused with various "Maccabee" texts, including 2 Maccabees in the Orthodox Catholic and Eastern Orthodox canons -- far from obscure, the "Maccabee" stories seem to have been retold and modified like crazy across the region.  So it would not at all be surprising to find a homiletic Arabic work that comments on this background known to the Christian believers, aka Surah 105.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #24 - January 29, 2015, 10:21 PM

    zoatar that's brilliant. Lateral thinking, makes sense, novel, but believable. When are you going to write your book?Huh?Huh?


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  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #25 - February 27, 2015, 10:34 PM

    Update:  So I've read all 4 of the canonical Maccabees books that appear in the Syriac OT Peshitta.  I'm almost completely convinced that Surah al Fil is a very straightforward reference to either 2 Maccabees or 3 Maccabees, texts that were wildly popular throughout the Semitic Christian near-East, particularly as they center around themes of martyrdom and deliverance against Syrian/Ptolemaic/Persian secular authority.  Here's Surah al Fil in translation:

    Have you not considered, how your Lord dealt with the companions of the elephant?
    Did He not make their plan into misguidance?
    And He sent against them birds in flocks,
    Striking them with stones of hard clay,
    And He made them like eaten straw.

    Now here's 3 Maccabees 5, which rather precisely describes the evil plan of the companions of the elephant against the Jews:

     1 Then the king, completely inflexible, was filled with overpowering anger and wrath; so he summoned Hermon, keeper of the elephants,
    2 and ordered him on the following day to drug all the elephants—five hundred in number—with large handfuls of frankincense and plenty of unmixed wine, and to drive them in, maddened by the lavish abundance of drink, so that the Jews might meet their doom.
    3 When he had given these orders he returned to his feasting, together with those of his Friends and of the army who were especially hostile toward the Jews.
    4 And Hermon, keeper of the elephants, proceeded faithfully to carry out the orders.
    5 The servants in charge of the Jews went out in the evening and bound the hands of the wretched people and arranged for their continued custody through the night, convinced that the whole nation would experience its final destruction.
    6 For to the Gentiles it appeared that the Jews were left without any aid,
    7 because in their bonds they were forcibly confined on every side. But with tears and a voice hard to silence they all called upon the Almighty Lord and Ruler of all power, their merciful God and Father, praying
    8 that he avert with vengeance the evil plot against them and in a glorious manifestation rescue them from the fate now prepared for them.
    9 So their entreaty ascended fervently to heaven.
    10 Hermon, however, when he had drugged the pitiless elephants until they had been filled with a great abundance of wine and satiated with frankincense, presented himself at the courtyard early in the morning to report to the king about these preparations.
    11 But the Lord sent upon the king a portion of sleep, that beneficence that from the beginning, night and day, is bestowed by him who grants it to whomever he wishes.
    12 And by the action of the Lord he was overcome by so pleasant and deep a sleep that he quite failed in his lawless purpose and was completely frustrated in his inflexible plan.
    13 Then the Jews, since they had escaped the appointed hour, praised their holy God and again implored him who is easily reconciled to show the might of his all-powerful hand to the arrogant Gentiles.
    14 But now, since it was nearly the middle of the tenth hour, the person who was in charge of the invitations, seeing that the guests were assembled, approached the king and nudged him.
    15 And when he had with difficulty roused him, he pointed out that the hour of the banquet was already slipping by, and he gave him an account of the situation.
    16 The king, after considering this, returned to his drinking, and ordered those present for the banquet to recline opposite him.
    17 When this was done he urged them to give themselves over to revelry and to make the present portion of the banquet joyful by celebrating all the more.
    18 After the party had been going on for some time, the king summoned Hermon and with sharp threats demanded to know why the Jews had been allowed to remain alive through the present day.
    19 But when he, with the corroboration of the king's Friends, pointed out that while it was still night he had carried out completely the order given him,
    20 the king, possessed by a savagery worse than that of Phalaris, said that the Jews were benefited by today's sleep, "but," he added, "tomorrow without delay prepare the elephants in the same way for the destruction of the lawless Jews!"
    21 When the king had spoken, all those present readily and joyfully with one accord gave their approval, and all went to their own homes.
    22 But they did not so much employ the duration of the night in sleep as in devising all sorts of insults for those they thought to be doomed.
    23 Then, as soon as the cock had crowed in the early morning, Hermon, having equipped the animals, began to move them along in the great colonnade.
    24 The crowds of the city had been assembled for this most pitiful spectacle and they were eagerly waiting for daybreak.
    25 But the Jews, at their last gasp—since the time had run out—stretched their hands toward heaven and with most tearful supplication and mournful dirges implored the supreme God to help them again at once.
    26 The rays of the sun were not yet shed abroad, and while the king was receiving his Friends, Hermon arrived and invited him to come out, indicating that what the king desired was ready for action.
    27 But he, on receiving the report and being struck by the unusual invitation to come out—since he had been completely overcome by incomprehension—inquired what the matter was for which this had been so zealously completed for him.
    28 This was the act of God who rules over all things, for he had implanted in the king's mind a forgetfulness of the things he had previously devised.
    29 Then Hermon and all the king's Friends pointed out that the animals and the armed forces were ready, "O king, according to your eager purpose."
    30 But at these words he was filled with an overpowering wrath, because by the providence of God his whole mind had been deranged concerning these matters; and with a threatening look he said,
    31 "If your parents or children were present, I would have prepared them to be a rich feast for the savage animals instead of the Jews, who give me no ground for complaint and have exhibited to an extraordinary degree a full and firm loyalty to my ancestors.
    32 In fact you would have been deprived of life instead of these, if it were not for an affection arising from our nurture in common and your usefulness."
    33 So Hermon suffered an unexpected and dangerous threat, and his eyes wavered and his face fell.
    34 The king's Friends one by one sullenly slipped away and dismissed the assembled people to their own occupations.
    35 Then the Jews, on hearing what the king had said, praised the manifest Lord God, King of kings, since this also was his aid that they had received.
    36 The king, however, reconvened the party in the same manner and urged the guests to return to their celebrating.
    37 After summoning Hermon he said in a threatening tone, "How many times, you poor wretch, must I give you orders about these things?
    38 Equip the elephants now once more for the destruction of the Jews tomorrow!"
    39 But the officials who were at table with him, wondering at his instability of mind, remonstrated as follows:
    40 "O king, how long will you put us to the test, as though we are idiots, ordering now for a third time that they be destroyed, and again revoking your decree in the matter?
    41 As a result the city is in a tumult because of its expectation; it is crowded with masses of people, and also in constant danger of being plundered."
    42 At this the king, a Phalaris in everything and filled with madness, took no account of the changes of mind that had come about within him for the protection of the Jews, and he firmly swore an irrevocable oath that he would send them to death without delay, mangled by the knees and feet of the animals,
    43 and would also march against Judea and rapidly level it to the ground with fire and spear, and by burning to the ground the temple inaccessible to him would quickly render it forever empty of those who offered sacrifices there.
    44 Then the Friends and officers departed with great joy, and they confidently posted the armed forces at the places in the city most favorable for keeping guard.
    45 Now when the animals had been brought virtually to a state of madness, so to speak, by the very fragrant draughts of wine mixed with frankincense and had been equipped with frightful devices, the elephant keeper
    46 entered at about dawn into the courtyard—the city now being filled with countless masses of people crowding their way into the hippodrome—and urged the king on to the matter at hand.
    47 So he, when he had filled his impious mind with a deep rage, rushed out in full force along with the animals, wishing to witness, with invulnerable heart and with his own eyes, the grievous and pitiful destruction of the aforementioned people.
    48 When the Jews saw the dust raised by the elephants going out at the gate and by the following armed forces, as well as by the trampling of the crowd, and heard the loud and tumultuous noise,
    49 they thought that this was their last moment of life, the end of their most miserable suspense, and giving way to lamentation and groans they kissed each other, embracing relatives and falling into one another's arms —parents and children, mothers and daughters, and others with babies at their breasts who were drawing their last milk.
    50 Not only this, but when they considered the help that they had received before from heaven, they prostrated themselves with one accord on the ground, removing the babies from their breasts,
    51 and cried out in a very loud voice, imploring the Ruler over every power to manifest himself and be merciful to them, as they stood now at the gates of death.

     ----- So that's the plan.  And then the resolution, when the Jews (trapped in the hippodrome, about to be exterminated by pagan elephants that the king is bringing in an army) call unto God, and he saves them by sending two blinding angels who confuse the elephants, turning them back to trample the King's retinue, whereupon he sees the light and repents, throwing a feast for the Jews and saving them:

     1 Then a certain Eleazar, famous among the priests of the country, who had attained a ripe old age and throughout his life had been adorned with every virtue, directed the elders around him to stop calling upon the holy God, and he prayed as follows:
    2 "King of great power, Almighty God Most High, governing all creation with mercy,
    3 look upon the descendants of Abraham, O Father, upon the children of the sainted Jacob, a people of your consecrated portion who are perishing as foreigners in a foreign land.
    4 Pharaoh with his abundance of chariots, the former ruler of this Egypt, exalted with lawless insolence and boastful tongue, you destroyed together with his arrogant army by drowning them in the sea, manifesting the light of your mercy on the nation of Israel.
    5 Sennacherib exulting in his countless forces, oppressive king of the Assyrians, who had already gained control of the whole world by the spear and was lifted up against your holy city, speaking grievous words with boasting and insolence, you, O Lord, broke in pieces, showing your power to many nations.
    6 The three companions in Babylon who had voluntarily surrendered their lives to the flames so as not to serve vain things, you rescued unharmed, even to a hair, moistening the fiery furnace with dew and turning the flame against all their enemies.
    7 Daniel, who through envious slanders was thrown down into the ground to lions as food for wild animals, you brought up to the light unharmed.
    8 And Jonah, wasting away in the belly of a huge, sea-born monster, you, Father, watched over and restored unharmed to all his family.
    9 And now, you who hate insolence, all-merciful and protector of all, reveal yourself quickly to those of the nation of Israel —who are being outrageously treated by the abominable and lawless Gentiles.
    10 "Even if our lives have become entangled in impieties in our exile, rescue us from the hand of the enemy, and destroy us, Lord, by whatever fate you choose.
    11 Let not the vain-minded praise their vanities at the destruction of your beloved people, saying, "Not even their god has rescued them.'
    12 But you, O Eternal One, who have all might and all power, watch over us now and have mercy on us who by the senseless insolence of the lawless are being deprived of life in the manner of traitors.
    13 And let the Gentiles cower today in fear of your invincible might, O honored One, who have power to save the nation of Jacob.
    14 The whole throng of infants and their parents entreat you with tears.
    15 Let it be shown to all the Gentiles that you are with us, O Lord, and have not turned your face from us; but just as you have said, "Not even when they were in the land of their enemies did I neglect them,' so accomplish it, O Lord."
    16 Just as Eleazar was ending his prayer, the king arrived at the hippodrome with the animals and all the arrogance of his forces.
    17 And when the Jews observed this they raised great cries to heaven so that even the nearby valleys resounded with them and brought an uncontrollable terror upon the army.
    18 Then the most glorious, almighty, and true God revealed his holy face and opened the heavenly gates, from which two glorious angels of fearful aspect descended, visible to all but the Jews.
    19 They opposed the forces of the enemy and filled them with confusion and terror, binding them with immovable shackles.
    20 Even the king began to shudder bodily, and he forgot his sullen insolence.
    21 The animals turned back upon the armed forces following them and began trampling and destroying them.
    22 Then the king's anger was turned to pity and tears because of the things that he had devised beforehand.
    23 For when he heard the shouting and saw them all fallen headlong to destruction, he wept and angrily threatened his Friends, saying,
    24 "You are committing treason and surpassing tyrants in cruelty; and even me, your benefactor, you are now attempting to deprive of dominion and life by secretly devising acts of no advantage to the kingdom.
    25 Who has driven from their homes those who faithfully kept our country's fortresses, and foolishly gathered every one of them here?
    26 Who is it that has so lawlessly encompassed with outrageous treatment those who from the beginning differed from all nations in their goodwill toward us and often have accepted willingly the worst of human dangers?
    27 Loose and untie their unjust bonds! Send them back to their homes in peace, begging pardon for your former actions!
    28 Release the children of the almighty and living God of heaven, who from the time of our ancestors until now has granted an unimpeded and notable stability to our government."
    29 These then were the things he said; and the Jews, immediately released, praised their holy God and Savior, since they now had escaped death.
    30 Then the king, when he had returned to the city, summoned the official in charge of the revenues and ordered him to provide to the Jews both wines and everything else needed for a festival of seven days, deciding that they should celebrate their rescue with all joyfulness in that same place in which they had expected to meet their destruction.
    31 Accordingly those disgracefully treated and near to death, or rather, who stood at its gates, arranged for a banquet of deliverance instead of a bitter and lamentable death, and full of joy they apportioned to celebrants the place that had been prepared for their destruction and burial.
    32 They stopped their chanting of dirges and took up the song of their ancestors, praising God, their Savior and worker of wonders. Putting an end to all mourning and wailing, they formed choruses as a sign of peaceful joy.
    33 Likewise also the king, after convening a great banquet to celebrate these events, gave thanks to heaven unceasingly and lavishly for the unexpected rescue that he had experienced.
    34 Those who had previously believed that the Jews would be destroyed and become food for birds, and had joyfully registered them, groaned as they themselves were overcome by disgrace, and their fire-breathing boldness was ignominiously quenched.
    35 The Jews, as we have said before, arranged the aforementioned choral group and passed the time in feasting to the accompaniment of joyous thanksgiving and psalms.
    36 And when they had ordained a public rite for these things in their whole community and for their descendants, they instituted the observance of the aforesaid days as a festival, not for drinking and gluttony, but because of the deliverance that had come to them through God.
    37 Then they petitioned the king, asking for dismissal to their homes.
    38 So their registration was carried out from the twenty-fifth of Pachon to the fourth of Epeiph, for forty days; and their destruction was set for the fifth to the seventh of Epeiph, the three days
    39 on which the Lord of all most gloriously revealed his mercy and rescued them all together and unharmed.
    40 Then they feasted, being provided with everything by the king, until the fourteenth day, on which also they made the petition for their dismissal.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #26 - February 27, 2015, 10:40 PM

    Now the one part I have not been able to figure out is what the alleged "birds in flocks" means, aka 'tayran ababila.'  I think this is almost certainly a misreading or mistranslation, but of what?

    http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=105&verse=1

    The triliteral Arabic root for "birds" can also mean "fate" or "omen," and is used that way in the Qur'an (in keeping with typical beliefs of Antiquity).  So it's possible this line is talking about some dreadful divine fate or omen befalling the companions of the elephant ... the birds being *divine fate*, not actual birds.  But the following hapax legomen "ababila" appears to be from a triliteral root the only other meaning of which is "camels," and is traditionally interpreted as "flocks" from the apparent context, rather than from any etymology or known meaning.

    http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Abl#%28105:3:4%29

    It is very unsatisfactory, but I lack the expertise to resolve the riddle of the ababila hapax legomen.

    It is of course possible that the birds are fulfilling a dual role of bad omen/fate and deliverer of that bad omen/fate (i.e. they are both understood as actual birds and as evil/bad fate), but regardless of how tayran is understood as written in the rasm, ababila remains difficult.
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #27 - April 27, 2015, 06:04 PM

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=agXYIDGx9Fc
    The Story of the Elephant: http://shade7publishing.com/prouduct/the-story-of-the-elephant/

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    I think this now beats Bowersock's The Throne of Adulis as best recent publication on late ancient Arabia. @AnnetteYReed @cobbpasha

    https://mobile.twitter.com/michael_pregill/status/592687285944098816
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #28 - April 27, 2015, 07:56 PM

    "...historical story..." Cheesy

    Awesome! I want one!! I hope it's available on Amazon.

    Hope they do a Sulayman & Bilqis pop-up book next. Little green pocket-Jinn could really catch on with the young 'uns!!
  • Elephants in Arabia
     Reply #29 - April 27, 2015, 08:10 PM

    "...historical story..." Cheesy

    Awesome! I want one!! I hope it's available on Amazon.

    Hope they do a Sulayman & Bilqis pop-up book next. Little green pocket-Jinn could really catch on with the young 'uns!!


    Or perhaps the Massacre of Banu Qurayza  Wink
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