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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     OP - November 26, 2014, 07:44 PM

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    Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam

    by Soeren Kern
    June 6, 2014 at 5:00 am
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4344/imran-firasat-spain

    "Okay, you Muslims, use violence, but we will continue to make films. One day, one of us will lose." — Imran Firasat.

    Firasat argued that the expression of his views about Islam fall within the constitutional rights of free speech.

    Two dissenting judges signed a statement in which they ask whether the source of the danger to national security is in the actions of Firasat or in the reactions of Islamic fundamentalists.

    The Spanish Supreme Court has ruled that a political refugee should be deported because his criticism of Islam poses "a danger to the security of Spain."

    The May 30 ruling, which upholds an earlier decision by a lower court to revoke the refugee status of a Pakistani ex-Muslim named Imran Firasat, showcases how the fear of Muslim rage continues to threaten the exercise of free speech in Europe.

    Firasat obtained political asylum in Spain in October 2006 because of death threats against him in both Pakistan and Indonesia for leaving the Islamic faith and marrying a non-Muslim.

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    Imran Firasat and his family.

    Spanish authorities, however, took measures to deport Firasat in December 2012, after he released a one-hour amateur film entitled, "The Innocent Prophet: The Life of Mohammed from a Different Point of View." The movie, which was posted on YouTube, purports to raise awareness of the dangers of Islam to Western Civilization.

    The film shows images of the Muslim terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York, on double-decker buses in London and on commuter trains in Madrid. The movie, which features many passages from the Koran that threaten violence against non-Muslims, promises to answer the question: "Was Mohammed an inspired prophet of God, or was he a madman driven by his own demons, thus producing a religion of violence and tyranny?"

    Firasat, who runs a website called MundoSinIslam.com (A World Without Islam), says he was inspired by another amateur film, "The Innocence of Muslims," which portrayed the Islamic Prophet Mohammed as a womanizer and a pedophile. Released in September 2012, the movie triggered a wave of riots across Europe and the Middle East that resulted in the deaths of more than 30 people.

    At the time, the Obama Administration falsely alleged that the film was responsible for the death of the American ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, and three others in Benghazi, Libya.

    "When I heard that the U.S. ambassador was slain," Firasat told the Belgian newspaper De Morgen in December 2012. "I said okay, you Muslims, use violence, but we will continue to make films. One day one of us will lose."

    Shortly after Firasat's film was released, Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel García-Margallo and Spanish Interior Minister Jorge Fernández Díaz initiated a process to review his refugee status.

    A Foreign Ministry document, dated November 27, 2012, stated that "the consequences of the release of a video with such [anti-Islamic] characteristics are highly worrisome and constitute a real risk for Spanish interests because the author of the video identifies himself as a 'Spanish citizen.'"

    The document added that Firasat's actions, including his threats to burn the Koran, were "destabilizing" and "heightened the risk of attacks against Spanish interests abroad, especially in the current context of the extreme sensitivity and indignation in the Muslim world."

    Fernández issued an order on December 21, 2012 to deport Firasat based on Article 44 of the Law on Asylum and Protection, which allows the state to revoke the refugee status of "persons who constitute a threat to Spanish security." The deportation order stated that Firasat constituted a "persistent source of problems due to his constant threats against the Koran and Islam in general."

    Firasat appealed the deportation order at the National Court [Audiencia Nacional], arguing that the expression of his views about Islam fall within the constitutional right to free speech.

    But the National Court rejected Firasat's appeal. A ruling dated October 3, 2013 states:

    "The right to the freedom of expression can be subject to certain formalities, conditions, restrictions or sanctions, which constitute necessary measures, in a democratic society, to preserve national security, public security and the constitutional order."

    Now the Supreme Court has not only confirmed the National Court's ruling, but it has gone one step farther. Its ruling states:

    "The right to the freedom of expression does not guarantee the right to intolerant manifestations or expressions that infringe against religious freedom, that have the character of blasphemy or that seek to offend religious convictions and do not contribute to the public debate."

    This paragraph is strangely similar to an international blasphemy law being promoted by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, a bloc of 57 Muslim countries dedicated to implementing a worldwide ban on "negative stereotyping of Islam."


    Warning of potential trouble ahead for the exercise of free speech in Spain, two judges—Manuel Campos and Isabella Perelló—dissented from the majority opinion. They signed a statement in which they ask whether the source of the danger to national security is in the actions of Firasat, or in the reactions of Islamic fundamentalists. They write:

    "The pernicious effects against national security do not strictly derive from the conduct of the refugee, but rather from the violent reactions of third persons."

    Although Firasat can now be deported, the court says he and his family will not be delivered "to a country where there is danger to life or freedom." It remains unclear whether Firasat will appeal the Spanish high court ruling at the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR). The Strasbourg-based ECHR enforces the European Convention on Human Rights and its jurisdiction is compulsory and binding for all 47 member states of the Council of Europe.

    In a December 2012 interview with the online newspaper International Business Times [IBT], Firasat said he has received far more threats from the Spanish government than from angry Muslims. He said:

    "Seven years ago I was granted refugee status in Spain for the reason that I used to criticize Islam. Since then I have taken the fight against Islam very far. And my right to freedom of expression was always respected by this great country. But now suddenly for doing the same thing which I have been doing for the last seven years, I have been threatened by the authorities [and told] that my refugee status will be revoked. I will be deported back to Pakistan where the death penalty for blasphemy is waiting for me."

    IBT asked Firasat: "What made the Spanish authorities 'suddenly threaten' you? What could be the reason?" Firasat responded:

    "That's a very funny, interesting and surprising question even for me. Why now? I was granted asylum because of my criticisms of Islam. I have formally asked the Spanish government for the prohibition of Koran in Spain. I have given thousands of interviews to radio and TV channels. I wrote articles in newspapers. But I was never told by anyone that what I am doing is illegal. Now suddenly they try to revoke my refugee status, detain me and prosecute me for offending Muslims' religious sentiments. Why? There may be two reasons: Fear of violence by Muslims abroad and in Spain, and conflicts in diplomatic relations with Islamic countries which are investing in Spain... This is not the Spain where I arrived seven years ago and where there was complete liberty of expression."

    Some free speech activists say that Firasat is himself guilty of seeking to restrict free speech. In March 2012, Firasat filed a 10-point petition with the Spanish government asking that it ban the Koran in Spain.

    In an interview with the Spanish business newspaper La Gaceta (no longer online), Firasat explained why he submitted the petition:

    "There are hundreds of verses in the Koran that encourage believers to kill, hate, discriminate, exact revenge and torture women. A book that promotes violence should not be circulating in a free and democratic society. In the last 10 years, all terrorist attacks have been promoted by Islamic jihad as contained in the Koran.

    "Over 100 places in the Koran mention the phrases such as 'go to war' or 'kill all the infidels until everyone is submitted to Allah.' And the Koran requires Muslims to continue to fight jihad until it has captured the Western world, its freedoms and its religion at any cost.

    "I formally asked the government of Spain to ban the Koran in Spain. It is a book that cannot exist in our free society. There are millions of Muslims who follow the book, but we cannot allow millions of other people who want to live in peace and in freedom and enjoy human rights to suffer and die. I do not understand why the Spanish penal code, the Spanish constitution and the European constitution prohibit violence of any kind and yet close their eyes when talking about the Koran."

    Two days after filing his petition to outlaw the Koran, the Spanish National Police [Policía Nacional] called Firasat in for questioning after it emerged that he wanted to burn a Koran at the Plaza del Sol in central Madrid.

    According to a police statement dated March 5, 2012, agents asked Firasat if he "understood that his actions could hurt the religious sensibilities of those who profess the Muslim faith." He was also asked if he was "conscious that the burning of the Koran could be considered a crime" according to Title XXI, Chapter IV, Sections 1 and 2 of the Criminal Code [referring to crimes against offending religious sentiments]."

    After reviewing his website with the police, Firasat said: "I am not hurting the feelings of any Muslim. Rather, I am taking an action that seems necessary against a book which gives the message of jihad: killing, hatred, violence and discrimination, which in no way is compatible with Spanish law."

    Firasat summed up his feelings in a newspaper interview: "Fighting the injustice of Islam is not so easy. On the one hand there are the Islamists who are seeking to kill me, and on the other side our own police, our own system which seeks to intimidate me and dissuade me from confronting Islam."


    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4344/imran-firasat-spain
  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #1 - November 26, 2014, 08:16 PM

    http://www.d-intl.com/2014/06/05/spanish-supreme-court-islam-critic-imran-firasat-must-leave/?lang=en

    Found this article on a slightly less right wing website.
  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #2 - November 26, 2014, 08:44 PM

    "Slightly" is the word.

    It sucks that it is seemingly mostly right wing bigots who stand up for people like Imran's right to speak against Islam lipsrsealed

    Of course him teaming up with Terry Jones might be a factor. The guy who often threatens to burn Qur'ans.

    Here is the movie's English version:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJeFU_6pOCk

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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #3 - November 26, 2014, 08:53 PM

    It does suck that the right wing is the only group willing to put their necks on the guillotine over Islam related issues. Pisses me off!
  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #4 - November 26, 2014, 09:45 PM

    He is calling for the banning of the Qur'an in Spain but he is a convert to Christianity himself and I doubt he will call for a ban of the Old Testament which makes the Qur'an look like happy hippie stuff.

    Still weird that he was granted refugee status because of his criticism of Islam and now Spain wants to deport him because of his criticism of Islam.

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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #5 - November 26, 2014, 09:49 PM

    Yup, but him saying that is his right to freedom of speech. He alone cannot create that law, much like Geert Wilders cannot create that law alone. Those views must be heard in the debating melee though and not filtered out!
  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #6 - November 26, 2014, 09:56 PM

    if he's deported he'll be killed in Pakistan. Whether or not he's a dumbass right winger, the chilling effect of it all says that you can be to blame if Islamic extremists do something violent because they don't like what you say. That amounts to an ipso facto blasphemy code and would silence anyone that Islamists wish to silence simply by them saying this might lead to some Muslims being violent. That is in principle the wrong thing to do, whoever says it

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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #7 - November 26, 2014, 10:09 PM

    There seems to be some fishy things about him...

    25 November 2010, El Mundo:

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    The National Police has arrested a Pakistani fugitive in Madrid who is being sought by the Indonesian authorities for dismembering a man and dividing up his remains in bags and suitcases last June. The detainee had appeared in various Spanish media outlets claiming to have been the victim of religious persecution in his country.

    According to police information, the arrested man, Imran Firasat, 32, lived for several years with his wife and children in Cantabria [Spain], from where he fled in 2007 with a large quantity of money and numerous debts, after opening various restaurants with other partners whom he may have defrauded.

    During the time he was in Spain, he appeared together with his wife in various media outlets insisting that he was the victim of persecution in his country, and even that he had suffered an amputation for religious reasons.

    After fleeing to Indonesia and committing the murder, he returned to Spain in September of this year and settled in Cordoba, where, after a week of trial employment in a restaurant, he attacked the owner and stole 6,000 euros of the takings.

    The arrested man was finally located when he tried to go through a subway entrance in the Spanish capital, with 1,250 euros in his pocket and his documentation.

    At the moment of his arrest, the man was again in a period of trial employment with another restaurant in Madrid.

    An international arrest warrant for extradition was issued for the arrested man by the Indonesian authorities, who suspected that he might be in Spain.

    The officers involved in the case believe he had arrived 20 days ago in Madrid, where he shared a residence with various people.

    The kidnap and murder were committed in June 2010 in Indonesia. The perpetrators contacted the victim under the pretext of creating a web page and took advantage of the encounter to kidnap him and demand a ransom for his liberation.

    The crime ended in murder by stabbing and later dismembering, keeping the different parts of the body in bags in refrigerated chambers and in various suitcases, to disperse them later in different places within the city of Karawang.


    From Islam versus Eriope: Does Imran Firasat have a Shady Past?

    Another article from that site: Islam versus Europe: Even More on Imram Firasat's Past

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    This is quite devastating, I have to say. I wasn't sure about Firasat before, but this article makes me think that it's time for the Counterjihad movement to start disinvesting in this guy.

    I should also say that I was in email correspondence with Firasat, correspondence which ceased abruptly when I asked him the name of the restaurant where he had worked in Cordoba. I was just casually curious about this, because I go to a lot of restaurants here (Cordoba), and wondered if it had been one I knew. He had been in some kind of dispute with the restaurant owners here, too, though, so perhaps he thought I wanted to make inquiries about his past.

    This was published on 24 February 2008

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    They took flight leaving a trail of victims and debts behind. Imran Firasat and Jenny Setiawan, political refugees in Cantabria who need to answer before a court in relation to the case filed by their business partners from Santander, have abandoned the flat they were living in and also the city. And the lawyer for the accusers has now asked the judge for a search and capture order covering all the national territory. For the many Cantabrians who threw themselves into helping them because of their hard personal history, the Pakistani and the Indonesian must have been a great disappointment.

    Firasat and Setiawan succeeded in gaining temporary authorisation to reside in Cantabria in view of their exceptional circumstances: marriage between a Muslim and a Buddhist is punished by both religions, which prevented them from returning to either of their countries of origin. Having arrived in this region from Germany, Firasat moved like a fish in water between institutions and communication media. He even organised an internet campaign to support his cause.

    Having achieved their goal of regularising their stateless situation, the pair opened a catering business in the Grupo Amaro in Santander, called 'Kebabish'. Under this name they formed a company with two Cantabrian couples who quarrelled with them in relation to business-related crimes approximately one month ago: after opening three premises (the Grupo Amaro one, another in Menéndez Pelayo and a third in Marqués de la Hermida), the young man and his wife sold them without the knowledge of their business partners. This gave rise to the complaint for document falsification and administrative fraud.

    One of the accusers had also rented a home to them. Because they stopped paying the rent a few months ago, an eviction process has been started.

    These were not the only “irregularities” committed by the political refugees. Maite Calderón, owner of a signage company, has also filed a complaint with the police after observing that the Pakistani had given her a cheque without any funds for an amount just below 600 euros. The businesswoman says it is not the money that bothers her (“I don’t expect to get it back”) but the “tremendous disappointment”. “The personal deception hurts me. When he gave me the cheque dated February, he was already preparing his flight”.

    Calderón – who had no previous knowledge of the history of the immigrants through the media – is aware that the young man “had a wide circle of people who were supporting him. He offered to make all of them partners in his business. Now it’s clear his only aim was to rip them off”.

    She doesn’t think it will be easy to find him. “It would be a stroke of luck”, she notes. A fortune for all those who have been left unpaid, she indicates, “because there were also people, like bar suppliers, that he has left owing”.

    The family that support him in his business projects have it worst. A few days ago they learned that they will have to pay the bank the amount they guaranteed for him and they are very upset.

    And the local government also have knowledge of the couple, who got a grant to start their business which these sources put at almost 5,000 euros with specific conditions that, if not fulfilled, would mean it had to be returned.

    For this reason an investigation has been opened, as has been confirmed by the ex-partners of the Pakistani and the first to accuse him in the situation, who are moving heaven and earth to find him.

    These persons add that, among the victims, is a former employee and the compatriot to whom he sold the premises in Menéndez Pelayo. It seems the man who convinced so many people of his painful family situation will have to give many explanations. But for that, he first has to stick his neck out.


    Source


    Imram Firasat actually replies:

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    Imran Firasat said...
    Dear friends

    This is Imran Firasat. Thank you very much for showing so much interest in my life. First of all I have never asked any favour, help or support to the owner of this blog.

    The blog runner is simply looking at the 4 years old media coverage and defaming me. Why don´t those newspaper print anything now about me? Have you ever thought about it? Because they were sued by me in the court for defamation and false statements.

    I am not surprised by the opposition and defamation which I am facing at this blog. It is nothing new for me. but your negative attitude towards me will not discourage me. I will continue doing what I believe is right.

    You dont need to worry whether I will be deported from Spain or not and I have no obligation to provide you any proof or document proving my innocence as you already have made up your mind in a negative way about me.

    Stop talking about my wife and my family. By doing so you are putting them in danger.

    Only God knows whether I am a true Christian or not. I dont need to clarify it to any human. I dont mind if you want to defame me. but dont depend on what you see 4 years old in internet. What do you think, if I have done so many frauds, will I still be free and not detained? I am free because everything against me have been closed.

    Thank you very much and good luck in your fight against Islam. Yours sincerely IMRAN FIRASAT


    Another commenter:

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    Anonymous said...
    Illustated PIG

    MR Firasat, the owner of this blog has not attacked you here He only asked a simple question, do you have a shady past.

    Well for your information I have been living in Java since 1993, and have personally witnessed the anti ChInese riots also I do business with enthnic Chinese.

    I have been Blogging since 2003 and my Blog was named The Illustrated PIG to Islam. This can be verified by many within the CJM, Shiek Jer' mami, Ibloga, and Avid Editor, also FaithFreedom INdonesia/international.

    There rhythm or reason for an Ethnic Chinese Buddhist to go to one of the most unfriendliest places on this planet for Buddhists. Especially when fleeing for Islamic violence in Indonesia.

    Mr Firasat, your story about your wife being Buddhist and you met her in a mall in Lahore, is extremely difficult to believe. The Chinese that fled the riots went to Singapore, Australia and USA. Some went back to Hong kong and mainland China.

    Now a simple question, you claim to be threaten by muslims, but instead of reporting to the police you go to Indonesia, Why?

    Can you explain why all the Kebab bussiness papers where signed in your wifes name, Is it because if your dishonest y was exposed you would slip under and your wife take the wrap. I can give links to back this up.

    And please do not be hypocritical about your wife.

    According to you, you spoke out against islam in Indonesia, even though your wife told you to keep quite, and the you tell us take we are putting your family in danger.

    It is you that has put them in danger by taking them to Indonesia, and not keeping you mouth shut.

    For many people who do not know how thing work here in Indonesia, it is impossible to see you are not telling the truth.

    You claim to have published books, that Mr Firasat, is a blatant lie, no publisher would take the risk here in Indonesia.

    As Mr Cheradenine Zakalwe said "But the truth matters."


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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #8 - November 26, 2014, 10:15 PM

    if he's deported he'll be killed in Pakistan. Whether or not he's a dumbass right winger, the chilling effect of it all says that you can be to blame if Islamic extremists do something violent because they don't like what you say. That amounts to an ipso facto blasphemy code and would silence anyone that Islamists wish to silence simply by them saying this might lead to some Muslims being violent. That is in principle the wrong thing to do, whoever says it


    Afro Billy!

    There seems to be some fishy things about him...

    25 November 2010, El Mundo:

    From Islam versus Eriope: Does Imran Firasat have a Shady Past?

    Another article from that site: Islam versus Europe: Even More on Imram Firasat's Past

    Source


    Imram Firasat actually replies:

    Another commenter:



    Interesting developments here Nikolaj. I didn't research him a lot but he seems dangerous if the above is true. Thing is then he should be extradited to Indonesia on murder charges not on security issues to Spain due to his religio-political views.

    Something odd going on behind the scenes?
  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #9 - November 26, 2014, 10:25 PM

    if he's deported he'll be killed in Pakistan. Whether or not he's a dumbass right winger, the chilling effect of it all says that you can be to blame if Islamic extremists do something violent because they don't like what you say. That amounts to an ipso facto blasphemy code and would silence anyone that Islamists wish to silence simply by them saying this might lead to some Muslims being violent. That is in principle the wrong thing to do, whoever says it


    This is a bit like those evicted mobsters Denmark can't send back to Lebanon because they have told that they cooperated with Israel back in the day so they would be killed if they were shipped there, so now they roam the country and earn their money by organised crime.

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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #10 - November 26, 2014, 10:48 PM

    There seems to be some fishy things about him...

    25 November 2010, El Mundo:

    From Islam versus Eriope: Does Imran Firasat have a Shady Past?

    Another article from that site: Islam versus Europe: Even More on Imram Firasat's Past

    Source


    Imram Firasat actually replies:

    Another commenter:



    the media should be asking questions about this, as should the Spanish authorities, rather than handing down deportation orders on the basis of his critique of Islam, no matter how stupid and idiotic that critique is.

    If he's a criminal using this as a ruse it shouldn't be hard for the Spanish governement to investigate

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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #11 - November 26, 2014, 10:50 PM

    the media should be asking questions about this, as should the Spanish authorities, rather than handing down deportation orders on the basis of his critique of Islam, no matter how stupid and idiotic that critique is.

    If he's a criminal using this as a ruse it shouldn't be hard for the Spanish governement to investigate


    Yup as I said too ...

    Afro Billy!

    Interesting developments here Nikolaj. I didn't research him a lot but he seems dangerous if the above is true. Thing is then he should be extradited to Indonesia on murder charges not on security issues to Spain due to his religio-political views.

    Something odd going on behind the scenes?

  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #12 - November 27, 2014, 12:39 AM

    Anyone proficient in Spanish able to dig into this from the Spanish Supreme court?

    http://soerenkern.com/pdfs/docs/FirasatRuling.pdf

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  • Dhimmitude in Spain: Spain to Deport Pakistani Refugee for Criticizing Islam
     Reply #13 - November 30, 2014, 04:35 AM

    He better not be deported. What good is the West if we behave like dhimmies?
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