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 Topic: Israel for the Jews Only

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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     OP - November 25, 2014, 10:45 AM

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/23/israeli-cabinet-approves-bill-defining-nation-state-jewish-people

    A controversial bill that officially defines Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people has been approved by cabinet despite warnings that the move risks undermining the country’s democratic character.

    Opponents, including some cabinet ministers, said the new legislation reserved “national rights” for Jews only and not for its minorities, and rights groups condemned it as racist.
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #1 - November 25, 2014, 11:40 AM

    that's the problem with religious states or states defined by religious identity


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #2 - November 25, 2014, 01:25 PM

    There's stupid, there's Dubya stupid, and there's Netanyahu stupid.

    Suicidal, as well as being stupidly wrong.
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #3 - November 25, 2014, 04:25 PM

    Heck Israeli was never a Hebrew nation in history. There were a number of non-Hebrews leaders, polytheist kings, etc. It seems like they are taking revisionist religious dogma as fact for this "bill".
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #4 - November 25, 2014, 04:49 PM

    But... But... But... HAMAS!!!!! D: D: D:

    The secular pluralistic democratic LGBT-friendly human rights-abiding light house in the dark, dark, dark savage Musselman-dominated Middle East strikes again... finmad

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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #5 - November 25, 2014, 06:25 PM

    Lol Niki,  I'm reminder of the posting style of another well known member.
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #6 - November 26, 2014, 05:49 PM

    We'll be seeing camps for Arabs and another nakba soon in my lifetime, I am afraid :/

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    Der mutige Springer erreicht sie doch.

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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #7 - November 26, 2014, 06:09 PM

    I am afraid that the Middle-East whirling itself up at the moment and sucking others in into a military Religious war.
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #8 - November 26, 2014, 06:39 PM

    We'll be seeing camps for Arabs and another nakba soon in my lifetime, I am afraid :/

    See this proposed bill - which won't go through but may be a sign of things to come:
    http://972mag.com/bill-aims-to-strip-citizenship-curb-speech-a-bellwether-of-israels-right/99249/
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #9 - December 02, 2014, 11:40 AM

    The law would also increase role of jewish law in government and judiciary,including High court.

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    The bills' purpose is not only declarative; they seek to give the High Court something to consider when making rulings, in addition to democracy, as they would be Basic Laws, which the court gives constitutional standing.


    Quote
    Another divisive article is that the government work toward "Jewish settlement in its land and allocate resources to this goal," as well as one stating that Jewish law should be an inspiration for lawmakers and judges.


    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Netanyahu-announces-support-for-Jewish-State-Bill-381926
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #10 - December 02, 2014, 01:29 PM

    the only democracy in the middle east strikes again…

    See this proposed bill - which won't go through but may be a sign of things to come:
    http://972mag.com/bill-aims-to-strip-citizenship-curb-speech-a-bellwether-of-israels-right/99249/


    wow…just, wow. thats scary. 
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #11 - December 02, 2014, 02:34 PM

    About the issue with religious law, I made a thread on the similarity between Islam and Judaism. From that thread:

    In this video an islamists asks a rabbi about penalty for homosexuality and apostasy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQWdISPPCdg

    The rabbi starts up by railing against Sharia, and ends up supporting killing pagans or apostates and gays if the legal requirement(of the halacha) are fulfilled. He uses the word Beth Din, which for those of you who don't know means rabbinical court, in order to fulfill one of the requirements to carry out the penalty.

  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #12 - December 02, 2014, 02:50 PM

    Funny that he says "the situation is so rare!" the same exact argument I heard from my father regarding adultery and the 4 witnesses required etc.

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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #13 - December 02, 2014, 02:55 PM

    Heck Israeli was never a Hebrew nation in history. There were a number of non-Hebrews leaders, polytheist kings, etc. It seems like they are taking revisionist religious dogma as fact for this "bill".

    Israel was not an Arab nation either before Islam. Iraq, Syria, Jordan etc. did not even exist as nations. I can go on and talk like that about every country in the world e.g. France, Germany, Italy, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. did not exist.

    Don't forget the Palestine President Abbas has said no Jew will be allowed to live in independent Palestine.

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    Entire World is One Family
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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #14 - December 02, 2014, 03:01 PM

    I am afraid that the Middle-East whirling itself up at the moment and sucking others in into a military Religious war.

    Religious war has been going on in the Middle East for thousands of years - has never stopped.

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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #15 - December 02, 2014, 03:11 PM

    Yes, but it had simmered down. It is ramping up again now!
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #16 - December 02, 2014, 04:53 PM

    Israel was not an Arab nation either before Islam. Iraq, Syria, Jordan etc. did not even exist as nations. I can go on and talk like that about every country in the world e.g. France, Germany, Italy, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. did not exist.

    Don't forget the Palestine President Abbas has said no Jew will be allowed to live in independent Palestine.


    This just goes back to ethnocentric ideology that some how a "true" citizen is defined by one's bloodlines and cultural views rather than the type of citizenship/government agreements most secular nations are founded on. However such a view is not unusual since not just Jews, Arabs and Muslim tend to become isolationist within a larger nation-state of many ethnic groups. From my point of view such an ideology is a hold over from basic tribalism of the past. The in and out grouping of people and the handing out of "rights" one "deserves" for a heritage largely out of an individuals control.
  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #17 - December 02, 2014, 09:42 PM

    No mixing, please. We are Jewish.

    Quote
    Arab-Jewish school, symbol of Jerusalem co-existence, torched

    JERUSALEM, Nov 30 (Reuters) - Suspected Jewish extremists set fire to a classroom in an Arab-Jewish school in Jerusalem, police said on Sunday, targeting a symbol of co-existence in a city on edge over a recent surge in violence.

    The premises were empty late on Saturday when assailants torched a classroom used by first-graders at the Hand in Hand school, where Palestinian and Israeli children study together in Hebrew and Arabic.

    "Death to Arabs" had been scrawled on a schoolyard wall.

    Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the slogan pointed to "nationalist motives", a reference to suspected far-right Jewish attackers.

    More than 600 pupils attend Hand in Hand. From pre-school to high school, its student population is divided equally between Jews and Arabs. There are four other such schools in the Hand to Hand network in Israel.

    The smell of smoke still lingered in the air when children came to school on Sunday, the first day of the working week in Israel. A police forensic team worked in the burnt classroom where charred books were scattered on the floor.

    Tearful mothers dropped off their children and about 150 people held a protest outside against the violence.

    "We're supporting each other, this just makes us stronger," said Mimi Fkia, an Arab kindergarten teacher, as Vida, her Israeli counterpart, embraced her.

    Violence in Jerusalem and other areas of Israel and the Palestinian Territories has surged in the past few months.

    In July, a Palestinian youth was burned to death by Jewish attackers, allegedly in revenge for the killing of three Israeli teens by Palestinian militants in the occupied West Bank in June.

    A 50-day war that began in July between Israel and Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip resulted in the deaths of more than 2,100 Palestinians, many of them civilians, as well as 67 Israeli soldiers and six civilians on the Israeli side.

    Tensions have also risen in past weeks over access to a Jerusalem holy site where al-Aqsa mosque now stands and Biblical Jewish Temples once stood. Attacks carried out by Palestinians have killed 11 Israelis, and 12 Palestinians have also been killed, including several of the assailants.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the arson at the school. "We are making great efforts to restore peace and quiet to Jerusalem," he said at a cabinet meeting.

    At the school, Brian Callan, a father of one of the children whose class was burnt, accused the government of "encouraging, inciting and legitimising this behaviour through populist, racist legislation".

    Netanyahu has been criticised for promoting a new bill that would decree Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people only, a step critics say will further alienate the country's Arab minority.

    (Reporting by Maayan Lubell; Editing by Jeffrey Heller and Raissa Kasolowsky)


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  • Israel for the Jews Only
     Reply #18 - December 03, 2014, 05:03 AM

    Don't forget the Palestine President Abbas has said no Jew will be allowed to live in independent Palestine. 


    he said "not a single israeli settler" would be allowed to remain in a free palestine… remember 1/3 of them live on literal stolen land that was privately owned by people who were kicked out by idf. not as anti-semitic or crazy when you put it like that as opposed "palestine will be judenrein". 



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