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  • Question to muslims
     Reply #60 - March 24, 2017, 11:46 PM

    Taqiya is in Quran : 3:28. Believers are not to take disbelievers for friends instead of believers. Whoever does that has nothing to do with God, unless it is to protect your own selves against them.
    and also in sunna
    Muhammad has used taqqiya, all his life, more than Bush and Blair


    I'm not even sure if Muhammad of the koran existed.

    Bush and Blair exist. Taqqia is used by our very savvy media and pr companies all the time. fake news is nothing new. media will tell you stories to justify war all the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

    muslims do have non believers as friends and family. there are plenty of muslims  who are not stupid enough to take every single word of the koran literally and manage to live perfectly happy lives.

    I'm sorry if you've had bad experience of the religion. And I hate that islam is forced upon people in some countries.
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #61 - Yesterday at 12:46 AM

    There is no relationship between understanding the Quran and being or not being Muslim
    Muslims did not say that the Qur'an is easy to understand
    If the Koran was easy to understand there would not be many exegetes

    Very good question : If the Makkah verses are useless, why are they in Quran at all? It is to say to those who do not read Arabic: the Qur'an contains only tolerant verses
    Most Muslims do not know the violent and Misogynists verses

    I take note that you do not show us evidence




    All Muslims say the Quran is easy to understand, for Muslims believe Quran to be Divine, and Quran itself says it is easy to understand.
    No. Why would I show evidence for what is self-evident? Muslims are creating their own religion, through practice. What Islamic canon says and what people do are not the same thing. Sometimes that works out for good, as in most of Muslims are not doing what ISIS does in aping historical events, and sometimes it works out for bad, like when Muslims force their little daughters to cover.
    Muslims are, by and large, not interested in living out the story of Muhammad over and over. They already know that story.
    Like you said, most Muslims do not know the violent verses.The reason for this is two-fold, one being that people do find violence pleasant and so do not pick those out for sermons and memorization, and also because people are not encouraged to practice a religion espousing injustice- so imams and madrassahs (until our dear Saudi friends spread their version around in the past few decades) leave those verses out when trying to appeal to their communities.
    Doing this creates something maybe other than what was intended by the creators of the faith, and I think that is a good thing. If we, however, could point out the positive results we have obtained by downplaying the negatives and playing up the positives in the religion we could really encourage this filtering. But this is where the Divinity concept holds progress back in Islamic thought and reinforces pesky Islamic Law. This is why I am espousing Hassan's version of Islamic practice.
    Christianity gets to use concepts that we do not have in Islam to filter their texts. They have left most of their bad texts behind, save when it pleases them to discriminate or act on their baser instincts. Then they dust off what most other Christians have left behind and they demand men be head of household and women remain chaste and obedient and homosexuals be "rehabilitated". Sometimes when no one pays them any attention they go and kill people to make their points. However it is far worse in other areas of the world than mine. In some places Christians do rival Muslims in murders and mayhem. Any Abrahamic text can be used thus. Maybe even other texts, as well, but I am ignorant of those.
    Sounds familiar.

    I don't want to be good anymore. I want to be right.
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #62 - Yesterday at 09:11 AM

    so have muslims. and they will continue to reform given half the chance and despite whatever your agenda is.

    No Muslim country has reformed
    The reforms are only in the virtual (internet)
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #63 - Yesterday at 09:18 AM



    so your mum and sisters fit into which group? rare or non existent?


    My mom (as his mom as his mom , etc) ignore bad verses and it's impossible to discuss with her about islam, It would be an offense
    My syster, University professor,  ignore majority of bad verses and deny others. She says it's impossible for Muhammad to marry a 9-year-old girl
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #64 - Yesterday at 09:30 AM

    I'm not even sure if Muhammad of the koran existed.

    Bush and Blair exist. Taqqia is used by our very savvy media and pr companies all the time. fake news is nothing new. media will tell you stories to justify war all the time.

    I'm not even sure if Muhammad of the koran existed.

    Bush and Blair exist. Taqqia is used by our very savvy media and pr companies all the time. fake news is nothing new. media will tell you stories to justify war all the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

    muslims do have non believers as friends and family. there are plenty of muslims  who are not stupid enough to take every single word of the koran literally and manage to live perfectly happy lives.

    I'm sorry if you've had bad experience of the religion. And I hate that islam is forced upon people in some countries.

    muslims do have non believers as friends and family. there are plenty of muslims  who are not stupid enough to take every single word of the koran literally and manage to live perfectly happy lives.

    I'm sorry if you've had bad experience of the religion. And I hate that islam is forced upon people in some countries.

    The subject is not if you believe that Muhammad exists, it is taught in all the schools of the world

    media will tell you stories to justify war all the time as Coran and Muhammad did

    Luckily that there are many Muslims who do not take every word of the Qur'an literally, but 10% of Muslims suffice to terrorize the entire planet

    You do not understand: I'm not talking about Muslims I'm talking about texts

  • Question to muslims
     Reply #65 - Yesterday at 09:41 AM

    All Muslims say the Quran is easy to understand, for Muslims believe Quran to be Divine, and Quran itself says it is easy to understand.
    No. Why would I show evidence for what is self-evident? Muslims are creating their own religion, through practice. What Islamic canon says and what people do are not the same thing. Sometimes that works out for good, as in most of Muslims are not doing what ISIS does in aping historical events, and sometimes it works out for bad, like when Muslims force their little daughters to cover.
    Muslims are, by and large, not interested in living out the story of Muhammad over and over. They already know that story.
    Like you said, most Muslims do not know the violent verses.The reason for this is two-fold, one being that people do find violence pleasant and so do not pick those out for sermons and memorization, and also because people are not encouraged to practice a religion espousing injustice- so imams and madrassahs (until our dear Saudi friends spread their version around in the past few decades) leave those verses out when trying to appeal to their communities.
    Doing this creates something maybe other than what was intended by the creators of the faith, and I think that is a good thing. If we, however, could point out the positive results we have obtained by downplaying the negatives and playing up the positives in the religion we could really encourage this filtering. But this is where the Divinity concept holds progress back in Islamic thought and reinforces pesky Islamic Law. This is why I am espousing Hassan's version of Islamic practice.
    Christianity gets to use concepts that we do not have in Islam to filter their texts. They have left most of their bad texts behind, save when it pleases them to discriminate or act on their baser instincts. Then they dust off what most other Christians have left behind and they demand men be head of household and women remain chaste and obedient and homosexuals be "rehabilitated". Sometimes when no one pays them any attention they go and kill people to make their points. However it is far worse in other areas of the world than mine. In some places Christians do rival Muslims in murders and mayhem. Any Abrahamic text can be used thus. Maybe even other texts, as well, but I am ignorant of those.
    Sounds familiar.

    I will answer you when you bring proofs to everything you say from the beginning until now

    There is no Saudi version ; They practice the Islam of Muhammad, Mohammed ben Abdelwahhab has not written any book
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #66 - Yesterday at 12:22 PM

    Muhammad ibn Abdullah wrote no book, either. You cannot claim authorship is required in Islam. It belies the supposed origin of the faith.
    Yeah I am not going to bother explaining the Ummah with proofs. I think many polls used to gauge opinion have utilized leading questions and thus given outcomes desired by the researchers. It's far simpler to think back about the communities you have known and observe their practices.
    If Islam is text, then take away the followers and try to convince someone that it is religion.
    Religion is not text alone.
    If you choose to ignore the practitioners of a religion and follow the books only then you are going to have trouble learning to pray as a Muslim. Good luck. 

    I don't want to be good anymore. I want to be right.
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #67 - Yesterday at 02:47 PM

    No quran without Muhammad
    I don't need explaining the Ummah
    I don't say Religion is not text alone.
    I don't choose to ignore the practitioners
    I don't need to learn to pray as a Muslimn, You did not even see that I am an  Ex-Muslim
    You left Islam but you kept the same habits: talk a lot without evidence and off-topic
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #68 - Yesterday at 03:58 PM

    ^
    Wow you're fucking dense.

    Fuck that, just watch me get mine
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #69 - Yesterday at 04:23 PM

    Be more explicit, argue
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #70 - Yesterday at 04:37 PM

    Sorry, the above was a typo.

    I was meant to say that you're really stupid.


    Edit : Damn, that was another typo. I just can't seem to catch a break :/

    Fuck that, just watch me get mine
  • Question to muslims
     Reply #71 - Yesterday at 11:32 PM

    I don't like the term taqiya outside a Shi'i or (historically) anti-Umayyad context.

    I might not be Muslim, or from a Muslim background (the French part of 1970s Algeria assuredly does not count); but I do sometimes take the time to listen to Sunni Muslims, and I've never heard them use it, except to make fun of Westerners who misuse it.

    ADDENDUM - or, of course, to attack the Shi'a.
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