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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     OP - October 19, 2014, 09:54 AM

    Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws

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    internet trolls could face up to two years in jail under new laws, Justice Secretary Chris Grayling has said.

    He told the Mail on Sunday quadrupling the current maximum six-month term showed his determination to "take a stand against a baying cyber-mob".

    The plan has been announced days after TV presenter Chloe Madeley suffered online abuse, which Mr Grayling described as "crude and degrading".

    Magistrates could pass serious cases on to crown courts under the new measures.
    Social media 'venom'

    Mr Grayling told the newspaper: "These internet trolls are cowards who are poisoning our national life.
    "No-one would permit such venom in person, so there should be no place for it on social media. That is why we are determined to quadruple the current six-month sentence."

    Miss Madeley received threats after defending her mother Judy Finnigan's comments on a rape committed by footballer Ched Evans, which she said was "non-violent" and did not cause "bodily harm".

    Richard Madeley has said "prosecution awaits" those who sent "sick rape threats" to his daughter.

    well that is the news from BBC on internet trolls., I Think this forum is full of Anti-Islamic Internet Trolls   finmad finmad

    Jail all of them for 2 years ...  finmad

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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #1 - October 19, 2014, 10:42 AM

    Ah, yes. Chris "we don't need no universal human rights" Grayling. And how long before online criticism of government policy becomes trolling, I wonder?
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #2 - October 19, 2014, 11:26 AM

    Ah, yes. Chris "we don't need no universal human rights" Grayling. And how long before online criticism of government policy becomes trolling, I wonder?

     May be these guys are talking about SPECIFIC incident(even that is not right)   but just curious here ...


    This   Grayling guy  who looks like a NOSE PICKER .,    is   he by chance related to that A. C. Grayling?? .. If he is, I have serious problem with  A. C. Grayling..

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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #3 - October 19, 2014, 02:55 PM

    Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
    I Think this forum is full of Anti-Islamic Internet Trolls   finmad finmad

    Jail all of them for 2 years ...  finmad


    Oh yeez, you wouldn't be trolling us now, would you?

    I do honestly despise how a huge chunk of the "world leaders" seem to be viewing the internet as Earth V2. Fuck off with your segregation and blasphemy laws and supervision programs.


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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #4 - October 19, 2014, 03:58 PM

    Oh yeez, you wouldn't be trolling us now, would you?

    No..no..Nope...  xtremestr

    This troll will not troll but monitor the trolls ....

    Quote
    I do honestly despise how a huge chunk of the "world leaders" seem to be viewing the internet as Earth V2. Fuck off with your segregation and blasphemy laws and supervision programs.

    frankly speaking .. many of these  countries do not have any WORLD leaders what they have is leaders that play the local politics better than others..  But this internet generation of 21st century will be different as they get exposed to not just to local problems but global problems..

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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #5 - October 19, 2014, 08:52 PM

    Ah, yes. Chris "we don't need no universal human rights" Grayling.

    ORLY? So what did he say about human rights?

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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #6 - October 19, 2014, 09:12 PM

    Short answer: his party thinks that the European Convention on Human Rights - which the same party, in a previous incarnation, was behind, to the extent that it was neutral to supportive of the Human Rights Act 1998 - is a very bad thing, because it allows UKIP free propaganda. Grayling thinks a British equivalent - with fewer protections for whoever is currently unpopular - is a good alternative, and is determined to ignore legal advice that says that it's a shitty idea.

    Longer answer: here's a good place to start.

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    The convention guarantees rights: some absolute, like the right not to be tortured; some qualified, such as the right to family life. It also guarantees ‘fundamental freedoms’, including free expression and freedom of religion. Grayling has picked up something from the American originalists, who believe that the meaning of the US constitution was settled for all time when it was first issued, and shouldn’t be reinterpreted in the light of later developments in law and society. He dislikes the idea that the convention is a living instrument; certainly, its founders couldn’t have envisaged the unregulated use by law enforcement of DNA evidence, or mass surveillance – but that’s the point. A living instrument can protect against new threats to individual freedoms on the part of the state. A dead letter can’t.

    In his proposed British Bill of Rights Grayling wants to curtail some of the convention rights, ostensibly in order to recapture its founding principles; in reality, to draw power back to the state and to curtail our rights and freedoms. This is where his cavalier indifference to facts turns frightening. He will introduce a ‘triviality test stopping human rights laws being used for minor matters’: meaning that the government will decide a priori whether your claim engages your human rights. He ‘will limit the reach of human rights claims to the UK, preventing cases being brought against our armed forces overseas, that just stop them doing their job and keeping us safe’. The battlefield would become a human-rights-free zone. Human rights, he goes on, will be available to ‘responsible members of society’ – responsible according to whom?

    He would ‘crucially’ restrict Article 8, the (qualified) right to family and private life: he says that travellers, foreign criminals and prisoners wanting artificial insemination would be denied it. So would illegal entrants to the country and their partners and children. He wants a whipped parliamentary majority to decide who should have the benefit of human rights. This à la carte approach comes unstuck immediately, however, because Article 1 provides that signatories ‘shall secure to everyone within their jurisdiction the rights and freedoms … of this convention’. We have human rights by virtue of being human, not because we belong to a section of society that the government doesn’t yet despise. Grayling also overlooks the fact that Article 8 rights (and others) are already qualified by the ‘interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others’. The right to family life is already subject to larger considerations.

    Another bugbear has been the difficulty that governments (of both parties) have had in expelling terror suspects and other undesirables. Since Strasbourg decided Chahal v. UK in 1996, we haven’t removed people to countries where they face a real risk of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment, because to do so would breach their Article 3 rights. That undoubtedly causes problems in the case of people like Abu Qatada who are seen as a threat to the UK’s security. The ‘real risk’ test found favour because it matched the test used in asylum cases, and because it is appropriate when trying to gauge a future risk. It makes sense to decide competing claims about past events by deciding which account is more probable; a future event is far less susceptible to that test, especially when a person’s life or personal safety may be at stake. Grayling’s answer is to replace the ‘real risk’ test with a tougher standard, and to redefine what constitutes ‘degrading or inhuman treatment’. He is happy to increase the chances of consigning people to a terrible fate in countries whose goon squads have no regard at all for human rights.

  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #7 - October 19, 2014, 09:38 PM

    Hmm, sounds like a typical conservative "defender of freedom". Although I do have to say that in a world with population growth problems and plenty of kids looking for adoption, I fail to see why anyone should have the right to artificial insemination if they are not prepared to fund the operation with their own money. If Grayling is intending that they can't have it even if they do pay for it themselves, that seems over the top, since it that case it would be none of the government's business anyway.

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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #8 - October 19, 2014, 10:06 PM

    If words are policed, we should be afraid of where that leads.
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #9 - October 19, 2014, 10:18 PM

    Words have always been policed throughout history. This is nothing new. It's just the law and society catching up to technology.

    If you threaten to rape someone in a letter or over the phone you'd get convicted. Why not over twitter comments?

    Words/ideas are policed on these forums. If you wish to voice certain views then go ahead and do so on the fourms/social media in which such views are acceptable. Don't cry like a bitch when someone pulls you up on your stupidity, chauvanism and criminal behaviour.


    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #10 - October 19, 2014, 11:01 PM

    Words have always been policed throughout history. This is nothing new. It's just the law and society catching up to technology.

    If you threaten to rape someone in a letter or over the phone you'd get convicted. Why not over twitter comments?

    Words/ideas are policed on these forums. If you wish to voice certain views then go ahead and do so on the fourms/social media in which such views are acceptable. Don't cry like a bitch when someone pulls you up on your stupidity, chauvanism and criminal behaviour.




    The bit that jumps out at me the most is the wording. Now, I'm absolutely not an expert on laws and such, I'm purely speculating, but isn't the wording a bit sketchy?

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    Under the act, which does not apply to Scotland, it is an offence to send another person a letter or electronic communication that contains an indecent or grossly offensive message, a threat or information which is false and known or believed by the sender to be false.


    Admittedly I'm completely uncertain if that is in fact how the law is stated or not, or how exactly laws are applied in the UK, but if it is similar to the above then I think things might get a bit iffy.

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  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #11 - October 19, 2014, 11:05 PM

    A rather stupid law
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #12 - October 19, 2014, 11:16 PM

    Words have always been policed throughout history. This is nothing new. It's just the law and society catching up to technology.

    If you threaten to rape someone in a letter or over the phone you'd get convicted. Why not over twitter comments?

    Words/ideas are policed on these forums. If you wish to voice certain views then go ahead and do so on the fourms/social media in which such views are acceptable. Don't cry like a bitch when someone pulls you up on your stupidity, chauvanism and criminal behaviour
    .  

    That behavior is criminal behavior Jedi.,  NOT a  troll behavior  .., Then these fools should use different word for such criminal threats

    here see this post of INcePtion
    A rather stupid law

      that is trolling  Cheesy...lol...


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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #13 - October 20, 2014, 02:41 PM

    Somewhat tangential: as I was glancing through it, it said something about "revenge porn," which, while it doesn't sound like he's the guy who's going to fix it, is actually something I think deserves a bit of policing.
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #14 - October 20, 2014, 06:56 PM

    That behavior is criminal behavior Jedi.,  NOT a  troll behavior  .., Then these fools should use different word for such criminal threats

    here see this post of INcePtion   that is trolling  Cheesy...lol...

    (Clicky for piccy!)
    that is a beautiful kitty


    Irresepctive of the language that you use (trolling) it's the intent behind that is important. Keep things in perspective:

    1) Children have committed suicide due to harrasment (trolling) by bullies.

    2) Threats to rape women on twitter have occured with numerous high profile cases. Are they 'actual'  threats? Perhaps not, but the intent behind them is serious, malicious and unwarranted.

    3) Lives have been ruined by online stalking and deliebrate misrepresentation of people (editing photos etc).

    Any law that is used to protect the vulnerable in society (all of us) is not a stupid law. If you want to argue the specifics then make sure that you get the interpretation fo the specifics right. Gung-ho liberal wannabes are all too prone to shout 'big brother' or 'Orwell was right' when such laws are discussed. The fact is that no 'new' laws needs to be introduced and the scare mongering by the left/right just accentuates the stupidity of their ideology.

    If the law is extended so it protects youngsters from cyber bullying and others from blatant criminal activity  then I don't give a fuck what some sheep in a token Che-Gueverra t-shirt thinks.

    No free mixing of the sexes is permitted on these forums or via PM or the various chat groups that are operating.

    Women must write modestly and all men must lower their case.

    http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?425649-Have-some-Hayaa-%28modesty-shame%29-people!
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #15 - October 20, 2014, 07:06 PM

    Cyber bullying and trolling are two different things.


    If the law is extended so it protects youngsters from cyber bullying and others from blatant criminal activity  then I don't give a fuck what some sheep in a token Che-Gueverra t-shirt thinks.


    Neither do I.
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #16 - October 20, 2014, 07:29 PM

    <trolling>

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg
    </trolling>
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #17 - October 21, 2014, 08:10 AM

    When the media reports on trolls, they are really talking about cyber bullying/harassment. They don't understand the classic definition, so don't apply the classic definition when reading media articles, it is pointless.

    As for the law itself, it is needed. Although it does worry me that it will be abused used to silence the wrong people. But on the other hand, online harassment is being used to silence others. That cant be allowed either. I've seen too many cases of people (women especially) on the receiving end of harassment/rape threats on sites like Twitter/Reddit. They have no avenue to go to.

    When someone makes a facebook page about you just to harass people including you, and facebook refuses to take it down, something has to happen. Being online does not exempt you from the law.

    But that's not to say that the law makers/enforcers are to be trusted themselves. There's issues on both sides.
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #18 - October 21, 2014, 01:04 PM

    Irresepctive of the language that you use (trolling) it's the intent behind that is important. Keep things in perspective:

    1) Children have committed suicide due to harrasment (trolling) by bullies.

    2) Threats to rape women on twitter have occured with numerous high profile cases. Are they 'actual'  threats? Perhaps not, but the intent behind them is serious, malicious and unwarranted.

    3) Lives have been ruined by online stalking and deliebrate misrepresentation of people (editing photos etc).

    Any law that is used to protect the vulnerable in society (all of us) is not a stupid law. If you want to argue the specifics then make sure that you get the interpretation fo the specifics right. Gung-ho liberal wannabes are all too prone to shout 'big brother' or 'Orwell was right' when such laws are discussed. The fact is that no 'new' laws needs to be introduced and the scare mongering by the left/right just accentuates the stupidity of their ideology.

    If the law is extended so it protects youngsters from cyber bullying and others from blatant criminal activity  then I don't give a fuck what some sheep in a token Che-Gueverra t-shirt thinks.


    Trolling...Trolling... biggest troll of CEMB..  

    Language is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT without which we all will be saying

    Woof...Woof...Woooof..,    Bhoouu...Bho..Bhoouu........ Mew...maewuu...    Cheesy Cheesy

     And specially if you are politician, Preacher., teacher, public figure .. they better have  skills.,   or learn.... what word to use when and how....

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #19 - October 21, 2014, 11:03 PM

    Perfect .. the News says   Twitter  is a  ‘source of all evil
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    Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh said on his “Fatwa” television show broadcast late Monday.

    Twitter is “the source of all evil and devastation”, the mufti said.

    “People are rushing to it thinking it's a source of credible information but it's a source of lies and falsehood.”


    and that fool who said that is this fellow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iTViQJsN5A

    In glasses... Well he is fit to move and join in British Politics..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #20 - October 22, 2014, 12:07 AM

    Perfect .. the News says   Twitter  is a  ‘source of all evil
    and that fool who said that is this fellow

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iTViQJsN5A

    In glasses... Well he is fit to move and join in British Politics..


    Haha!  Cheesy

    Guy looks like General Aladeen!



    Absolute twerp too (the sheikh),  "Cry it says stuff that is against me - must all be juice/CIA lies; lies I tell you LIES!"
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #21 - October 22, 2014, 05:26 AM

    Enemies of Islam ‘spreading evil and lies through Twitter  Says that idiot



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    Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh says that the enemies of Islam are using social networking sites such as Twitter to spread lies about the religion and attack Muslims. Al-Asheikh, who is also the president of the Council of Senior Scholars, made the remarks during a show on Saudi television. The mufti called on Saudis using Twitter to think carefully about what they post.

    He urged tweeters to ensure that their posts serve the interests of the nation, and not undermine the legitimacy of the country’s ruler.

    “Those who speak badly of Islam are without shame, have no faith and don’t fear God.” He said those who behave in this manner do not care about anyone. He said Twitter has become a site that promotes all kind of “evil and harm. If people use it for their benefit, it would be better, but unfortunately it is being used for trivial things.” He said the Holy Qur’an states: “O you who believe, if an evil-doer comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a person out of ignorance, and then be sorry for what you have done.”

    The grand mufti said many people nowadays appear to be addicted to Twitter. The first thing they would talk about is what was published on the social networking site. “They think that whatever is tweeted or written about is reliable information and news, but it is all lies and falsehoods,” he said.
    Quote
    The grand mufti’s arguments come as a social media agency, The Social Clinic, found earlier this year that there are more than 3 million active Twitter users in Saudi Arabia who generate over 50 million tweets a month. This was greater than the global average. In an earlier report, the agency said some Western media outlets use Twitter to observe and monitor Saudi public opinion, attitudes and trends.


    This is not the first time that Al-Asheikh has commented on the use of Twitter. In a sermon last year, he said some tweeters were seeking to spread discord and chaos in the country and inciting people to rise up against the leaders of the nation.

    that is what that fool sys in Arab news.com...  is he blind?? 

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    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws
     Reply #22 - December 28, 2014, 06:15 PM

    Most internet trolls are underage, so guess how much that jail sentence will be in the end Wink
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