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  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     OP - October 15, 2014, 01:38 PM

    Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle .....Back in the news...  

    well You guys are blocking all the threads on this subject...   no good no good etal..   banghead  banghead  banghead

    So let me start again.....  finmad

    Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo7z2Ml2tI0

    Professor Reza Aslan On Sam Harris  ..Cenk Uygur, host of The Young Turks
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwpwEFmkZCc

    On CNN  10-13-2014,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ_oTeMpHMw


    Guys this is NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT ORIGINAL Sword fight that you guys don't want to see..  Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #1 - October 15, 2014, 01:52 PM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlm5o5ewnDs

    Quote
    Gad Saad was born in 1964 in Beirut, Lebanon. His family emigrated to Montreal, Quebec, Canada in October 1975 to escape the brutality of the Lebanese civil war. Saad is an evolutionary behavioral scientist and Professor of Marketing at the John Molson School of Business (Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada). He holds the Concordia University Research Chair in Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences and Darwinian Consumption (2008–2018).

    Gad Saad, Professor of Marketing at Concordia University and author of The Consuming Instinct and The Evolutionary Bases of Consumption, joins David to discuss the recent controversy on Real Time With Bill Maher, involving Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and Ben Affleck discussing radical Islam and Islamaphobia

    Well one is born as Jew and other is born is Christian ... 

     Nah....i don't need to listen to these guys...

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #2 - October 15, 2014, 03:04 PM

    if this thread degenerates into abuse, it will be closed again.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #3 - October 15, 2014, 03:39 PM

    if this thread degenerates into abuse, it will be closed again.


    .o.k. That is all right ., Let me hide Islam and bash the rest of religions..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4i0mwBuoM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPvevy-J5a8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn_i3RxGGTk


    RELIGOUSPHOBIA at its best  finmad   Hmm this is guy very deceptive., He is bashing other religions  so he can bash Islam......  what a bad ass...     and let me take the liberty of linking locked  folders on this subject..

    Locked folder-1
    Locked folder -2
     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nL7PZIIx4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyM-_kKu1fA

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #4 - October 22, 2014, 02:54 PM

    Let's be honest: Islam has a problem today_ Fareed Zakaria

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_dgbxtyiTE

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #5 - October 22, 2014, 03:00 PM

    Reza Aslan   Again

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #6 - October 26, 2014, 09:20 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo7z2Ml2tI0

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #7 - October 26, 2014, 09:23 AM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVl3BJoEoAU

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #8 - October 26, 2014, 09:40 AM


    Whoo  ho...  that is 3hrs? 

    that is a good one to watch..   specially w.r.t.  these two tubes from turks..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN52CP2_F0U

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aro7pxyKy1Q

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #9 - October 26, 2014, 09:55 AM

    specially w.r.t.

    What's w.r.t. Huh?

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #10 - October 26, 2014, 11:33 AM

    "with regard to"
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #11 - October 26, 2014, 11:46 AM

    Ah. Thank you. Smiley

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #12 - October 26, 2014, 11:47 AM

    What's w.r.t. Huh?

    well  "With Regard To" OR "With Respect To" OR  "With Reference To" other two tubes of Young Turks in that post

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #13 - October 26, 2014, 11:48 AM

    In that case yeez, let me add the one before the three hour Sam Harris interview.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F-SiZt0amg

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #14 - October 26, 2014, 11:51 AM

    Sam Harris debates Reza Aslan (Older vid)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JJf2qC6TTg

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #15 - October 26, 2014, 03:51 PM



    If you have seen the 3 hour talk above between Cenk Uygur and Sam Harris this will perhaps make sense:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibYFQOb0Q24

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  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #16 - October 26, 2014, 04:25 PM

    What is the Root of Violence - Religion or Other Factors?   Young Turks..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZyC8ya_GvU

    Hmm RASCALS at Young Turks Changed the heading of that Video.. it was

    " Is Sam Harris as Dangerous as Sarah Palin"  

    Who is that Fool ?  the Salon Guy... He should be working to Cut Hair..     Not even for Human beings. may be Dog Grooming..   How about Kangaroo grooming in Australia??

     http://www.salon.com/topic/sam_harris/

    http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/just-the-facts
    Quote

    This fool CJ whatever  seems to living by picking on bread crumbs of  well known guys..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #17 - October 26, 2014, 05:27 PM

    Reza Aslan is much more likable in free conversation than short interview, I liked his interview TYT a lot.
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #18 - October 26, 2014, 08:52 PM

    Reza Aslan is much more likable in free conversation than short interview, I liked his interview TYT a lot.


    Yes.........  khalils I too like Reza Aslan and other faith heads of AMRIKA..


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWyz9rrn9hk
     Prophet Sadhu Salvaraj and Prophet Neville Johnson of AMRIKA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4JuDnbpVd8

     Good  for  Indians and Good FOR  AMRIKANS     Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #19 - October 26, 2014, 09:03 PM

    If you have seen the 3 hour talk above between Cenk Uygur and Sam Harris this will perhaps make sense:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibYFQOb0Q24


    Cenk Uygur is a progressive, and this whole philosophy is based on contradictions, put Sam Harris Vs some libertarian (classic liberal in the rest of the world), and he'll be exposed for the disguised neo-con he is.
    And his dismissal of the disasters that happened in Arab world because of American intervention, is really telling.
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #20 - October 26, 2014, 09:12 PM

    Reza Aslan is much more likable in free conversation than short interview, I liked his interview TYT a lot.



    I'm not a fan of Sam Harriss. I hope the day comes when he isn't the go to guy in American media for critiques of Islam, and I hope Exmuslims in America get to speak on that issue when that happens. But I think Reza Aslan is a dissimulating bullshit artist when it comes to Islam and there is nothing at all likeable about his apologetics at all.




    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #21 - October 26, 2014, 09:16 PM

    He is smug, and he has condescending tone, and generally this is all you're left with in short interviews, but here he had the stage to expand more, and I found some substance in his view.
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #22 - October 27, 2014, 03:50 PM

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    He is smug, and he has condescending tone, and generally this is all you're left with in short interviews, but here he had the stage to expand more, and I found some substance in his view.


    Even if he wasn't smug and condescending the substance of his apologetics, essentially aim to police critique of Islam and have the effect of marginalising apostates. He is pernicious.


    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #23 - October 27, 2014, 04:07 PM

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    Some have called me, predictably, an 'Islamophobe'. Some have called me, rather confusingly, an 'Islamist'/apologist.

    Oh. Same here. Routinely, actually.

    Well, let us see what Eiynah has to say to Ben Affleck which gets her labeled as both an Islamophobe and as an Islamist/apologist.

    Nice Mangos by the way:


    Nice Mangos

    Quote
    Dear Ben,

    I am writing to you today, as a woman who was born and raised in Islam. I saw your discussion with Bill Maher and Sam Harris - And I must say, you did me a great disservice that day. Your heart was in the right place, of course, and it was lovely of you to step up and defend ‘my people’.

    What you really did though, perhaps inadvertently, was silence a conversation that never gets started. Two people attempted to begin a dialogue and you wouldn’t even listen. Why should any set of ideas be above criticism, Ben?

    Why are Muslims being ‘preserved’ in some time-capsule of centuries gone by? Why is it ok that we continue to live in a world where our women are compared to candy -- waiting to be consumed? Why is it ok for women of the rest of the world to fight for freedom and equality, while we are told to cover our shameful bodies? Can't you see that we are being held back from joining this elite club known as the 21st century?

    Noble liberals like yourself always stand up for the misrepresented Muslims and stand against the Islamophobes, which is great -- but who stands in my corner, and for the others who have been oppressed by the 'religion of peace'? Every time we raise our voices, one of us is killed or threatened. I am a blogger and illustrator, no threat to anyone Ben - except for those afraid of words and drawings. I want the freedom to express myself, without the very real fear that I might be killed for it. Is that too much to ask?

    When I wrote a children’s book that carried a message of diversity and inclusivity for everyone, my life changed. My book, ‘My Chacha (uncle) is Gay' has the innocent anti-homophobia message, ‘Love belongs to Everyone’. This was not palatable to many of my Muslim brothers and sisters.

    Since that project I have been declared an ‘enemy of god’ and deemed worthy of death. All because I want to help create a world where South Asian children too can have their stories told, so they too can know that love comes in all forms, and that that’s ok. My muslim brothers and sisters were hit hard by this work because it addresses the issue of homophobia within our own community. It is not something they can pass off as ‘Western' immorality. Just like they deny that any issues exist within the doctrine of Islam, many deny that homosexuality exists amongst good, ‘moral’ muslims.

    Just like that, millions of people’s existence is rejected. Please do not defend people who think this way, and let me tell you Ben, many ‘good’ muslims do think this way.  

    What you did by screaming ‘racist!’, was shut down a conversation that many of us have been waiting to have. You helped those who wish to deny there are issues, deny them. You became an instant hero, a defender of Islam. It’s kind, it really is. I understand, because I too am plagued and affected by the issues brought about by actual Islamophobia. I have a muslim name and brown skin, my peaceful relatives have been pushed in the subway and called ‘terrorist’ for no reason.

    I get that.

    We must distinguish critiquing an ideology from being hateful towards a group of people. And for this reason I think that tackling the issues within Islam should be two-pronged. They must be brought up, but simultaneously we should stress that blame for these issues cannot be placed on individuals.

    I am Pakistan’s only sex blogger, I am also a woman. I am by default a lesser being within Islam. The fact that I talk about sex makes me even more worthy of disgust. Sex is not something easily discussed amongst muslims. And in the efforts of preserving our religious purity, we let some very immoral acts slide. Things that can often be justified by religious scripture. I speak to women every day who suffer under the religion of peace because they are not held as equals. There are things you can use to justify marital rape within the texts, and things you can use to justify pedophilia, there are things you can use to justify beheading infidels and apostates - just as ISIS does. That is not to say that ALL muslims are pedophiles, rapists or violent beheaders, or that Islam promotes these things. But if you are a person looking to justify such acts, you may find what you are looking for within the texts. Countless numbers of people suffer because of this, Ben.

    Who will stand up for those people? In the interest of being politically correct and ‘liberal’ we silence the voices of millions. I am turning to you because you were instrumental in starting this conversation. Those of us who want reform are muted by extremists, as well as the liberals who betray us in the name of multiculturalism.

    ISIS paints a horrific picture, so I understand the knee-jerk reaction to deny any link. Most muslims choose to interpret scripture in a peaceful way, but that doesn’t mean the raw material isn’t there for those who choose the path of violence. That material must be addressed.  

    Can we talk about the blatant double standards and violation of human rights, for a second? Mosques are built throughout Western countries, usually without much issue. But in the hub of Islam, the heart of Islam - in Saudi Arabia no one but muslims are allowed to officially practise their faith. There are no churches, temples or synagogues - because Saudi Arabia will not permit any non-muslim place of worship to exist. Who will hold them accountable for such injustice if we hush everyone who speaks out against Islam?

    What is so wrong with wanting to step into the current century? Why is there shame in accepting a book that is over a thousand years old just doesn’t hold up anymore? There should be no shame. There is no denying that violence, misogyny and homophobia exist in all religious texts, but Islam is the only religion that is adhered to so literally, to this day.

    In your culture you have the luxury of calling such literalists “crazies", like the Westboro Baptist Church for example. In my culture, such values are upheld by more people than we realise. Many will try to deny it, but please hear me when I say that these are not fringe values. It is apparent in the lacking numbers of Muslims willing to speak out against the archaic Shariah law. The lack of acceptance for any alternate sexuality, the punishment for blasphemy and apostasy, these things are tools of oppression. Why are they not addressed even by the peaceful folk who “aren’t fanatical, who just want to have some sandwiches and pray five times a day?” Where are the Muslim protestors against Blasphemy laws/apostasy? Where are the Muslims who take a stand against Shariah? These sandwich-eating peaceful folk do not defend those suffering in the name of Islam Ben, and therein lies our problem.  

    Maybe the points Maher and Harris were trying to make are more easily digested when coming from within the community, I can appreciate that. That is why I am writing to you, as someone who has personally been hurt by the lack of acknowledgement of these issues.

    If Muslims do not critique the atrocities that the religion *can* justify, then people on the outside will - and their message will not be listened to simply because of who they are.[/i] Its a vicious cycle, one that can only break if indeed, like Harris said, true reformers are empowered.

    I ask you and anyone reading this, to make an effort to seek out reformers from within our community, and support them in any way you can.

    If I were allowed to meet a man that is not my father, brother or husband unchaperoned - I would have loved to discuss this over drinks (which I am also not allowed to have) with you. So you see, things must change.
    Sincerely,

    Eiynah


    Eiynah is the author of My Chacha is Gay.


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  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #24 - October 27, 2014, 04:28 PM

    An excellent read, thanks for the heads-up Nikolaj.

    أشهد أن لا إله
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #25 - October 27, 2014, 07:35 PM

    He is smug, and he has condescending tone, and generally this is all you're left with in short interviews,

    Yap   khalil  you are right.,  He is smug.,   Stupid guy.,    Sam Harris is NOT qualified to speak about Islam unlike  Reza Aslan Professor..

    Quote
    but here he had the stage to expand more, and I found some substance in his view.

    where? who? Reza Aslan?   you found only some substance?  He is all substance .. full of substance .. Iranians living in AMRIKA saying that all over the web. And his articles at http://rezaaslan.com/writing/  proves every bit of his substance khalil. 

    But I wish he worked for his wonderful wife and help women folks of Iran .. his birth country.. I guess after he became Professor in AMRIKA  he forgot where he came from.

    Oh well let me watch Jessica Jackley  on  Poverty, money -- and love

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqj0sgrNL10

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #26 - October 27, 2014, 07:44 PM

    Oh. Same here. Routinely, actually.

    Well, let us see what Eiynah has to say to Ben Affleck which gets her labeled as both an Islamophobe and as an Islamist/apologist.
     ......
    Nice Mangos  by  Eiynah..Eiynah ..Eiynah   

    hello Nikolaj .,

    Let me put the news link where that article got published in Pakistan. at Pakistantoday.com




    lol.. that is what Eiynah says..  well that is a good news..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #27 - October 27, 2014, 08:38 PM

    On that Eiynah    article at Pakistantoday.com

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    ann fields  says

    this is a naive narrative offered by this author. sam harris/bill maher are not benign antagonists to islam. they follow a narrative that is in essence : demonise islam; dehumanise muslims; facilitate genocide. to ignore this neo conservative - zionist narrative is dangerous and has been destructive not only to pakistan but to muslims across the world.

    sam harris talks about islam as being the mother lode of evil, the baddest of bad. he advocates a reformation not of muslims but the koran, in effect the re-writing pick and choose islam to suit his sensibilities. that is he is asking for the destruction of islam.

    we should not forget that sam harris has jewish heritage , a man who justifies israels brutality against palestinians. a supporter of israels occupation.

    sam believes muslims should be tortured, that first nuclear strike is preferred, that profiling is justified all in his sleight of hand style that proclaim 'some of my best friends are ... muslims ... but ' favored by bigots and racists. to him the koran can only have one outcome : isis . it offers nothing else to humanity.

    why should all decent , responsible people subscribe to that thesis ? why should ben affleck engage , normalise and provide celebrity endorsemment.

    yes muslims need to reform, yes they do need to modernise and be tolerant to criticism and enter into dialogue. but muslims are no more no less representative of the rest of humanity. to believe they are less representative is plainly silly.

    so whilst there are legitimate debates, critiques and dialogue to be had one should be cautious and clear eyed to recognise with whom that engagement is taking place
    .

    ann fields  is right .. Sam Harris mother is Jewish and father is Quaker .. but that ann fields does no know Sam Harris trashes Old and New testaments with equal ease..   anyways .. I like this
    Quote
    Ben did not want to alienate his main movie investors who are saudis .plain and simple just a case of another hollywood ass who chooses the money the saudis invest in his behalf over rational discourse


    and that is a fact   ...lol..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #28 - October 27, 2014, 11:20 PM

    ^
    Isn't Ann Fields said to be a Mo Ansar twitter sock puppet creation?
  • Ben Affleck, Bill Maher and Sam Harris Battle Back in the news
     Reply #29 - October 28, 2014, 12:07 AM

    Isn't Ann Fields said to be a Mo Ansar twitter sock puppet creation?

    Is Ansar a Liverpool fan? The self-regard, the victim complex...
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