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Reply #30 - September 09, 2014, 09:37 AM

Dear Asbie,

Of course I would help an old man who was struggling, and often help an elderly neighbour to carry his shopping from the car. But the sight of a heavily pregnant young woman struggling brought out my paternal instincts.

By the way, I am an old OAP myself.

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Reply #31 - September 09, 2014, 12:19 PM

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Another quick thought on the subject of sex education.

I received sex education on the day before I left school. This "education was conducted by a very crusty old teacher, who would often fall asleep at his desk in the afternoons. Sex must have been a very distant memory for him, and I can think of nothing which qualified this ancient man to teach this subject.

Anyway, the lesson was mercifully brief, and I remember every single word of it. He said: "Men give love in order to obtain sex, and Women give sex in order to obtain love." That, I swear, was the lesson in its entirety.

For all the lack of sex education in the 1950's and early 60's, very, very few young girls got pregnant. Fewer still were raped or subjected to sexual assaults, and men would always, without fail, escort their girlfriends home. My own Mother told me when I was about 16 that I must see a girl home if I had taken her out, and she would have been livid if I failed to protect my date in that way.

So you see, it is not the lack of sex education which is the problem, but the general lowering of standards in society.

Only yesterday, in a supermarket queue, I noticed a heavily pregnant young woman struggling with her basket. Most people ignored her plight, but I stepped forward and offered to help. It cost me nothing, but it did demonstrate to others the way a gentleman in his sixties behaves.

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Yes, I think that's right, standards and good manners have come down and people do seem to be only interested in them selves, I notice how in London people push and shove to get on buses and tubes, how people don't say thank you or please anymore. I always make a point of it.

There was no sex education when I was a boy and I got just fine in later life and I sometimes wonder if kids need to have sex education at age 7, I feel that it takes away some of their childhood and innocence.

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Reply #32 - September 09, 2014, 04:08 PM

I firmly believe that kids need to learn about ALL anatomy at a much younger age, primarily because at that age it might actually stick.

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Reply #33 - September 09, 2014, 08:58 PM

Why on earth do you want to take away childhood innocence, it sexualises children, the magical days when Santa comes down the chimney and delivers presents, let them have that innocent time out of the adult world.

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Reply #34 - September 09, 2014, 09:03 PM

Dear Asbie,

I must, I'm afraid, disagree with you on the matter of teaching children about anatomy at a very early age.

There is a time and place for subjects like this to be taught, and it certainly isn't before children are emotionally mature enough to contextualise the subject matter.

There were photographs of children carrying weapons in another contribution, and most people thought that this was pretty sick. Teaching children about sex before they are mature enough to cope with relationship issues is similarly dangerous and irresponsible.

It is also my firm belief that parents are (usually) best able to know their children's character, and are in the best position to judge when sex education is appropriate for them.

I do not think it is the job of some Whitehall Mandarin to decide when an individual child is ready to receive sex education, nor should that right to decide be denied to loving and caring parents.

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Reply #35 - September 09, 2014, 10:49 PM

Kids learn all this on their own from a variety of sources in this day and age. A parent's contextualization is absolutely essential for all of this, not shielding and and an presumption of naivete.

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Reply #36 - September 09, 2014, 11:47 PM

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Oh dear --- The British education system is taking a bit of a kicking here.

Teachers have their pupils for less than six hours per day, on average. Wider society and peer groups have far more influence on children than teachers.
It is therefore unreasonable to attribute the ills of society to this one group of people, or to naively expect teachers to prepare children to face a life of sexual exploitation.
The Police can only prosecute offenders if there is sufficient evidence to prove, in a court of law, that a person is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. When children withdraw complaints against their tormentors, they remove any chance that a prosecution would be successful. Police Officers can only deal with the evidence they have.
I am all for beefing up the law in these cases, but much better parental control of vulnerable children is needed. Parents are ultimately responsible for their children's welfare, but are all too eager to pass the buck in these cases.
The behaviour of the men involved in these crimes is utterly deplorable, and it is my honest belief that they should face very severe retribution for the disgusting crimes they have committed.
This may sound controversial, but some of the parents interviewed on the Panorama programme appeared to me to be inadequate.
I will resist the temptation to boast about my own children and grandchildren, but they have all turned out to be polite, decent and productive members of society. THIS WAS NO ACCIDENT.

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My children have grown up to be decent, productive and impolite. I prefer this.
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Reply #37 - September 09, 2014, 11:54 PM

Quote from: Stephen on September 09, 2014, 09:03 PM
Dear Asbie,

I must, I'm afraid, disagree with you on the matter of teaching children about anatomy at a very early age.

There is a time and place for subjects like this to be taught, and it certainly isn't before children are emotionally mature enough to contextualise the subject matter.

There were photographs of children carrying weapons in another contribution, and most people thought that this was pretty sick. Teaching children about sex before they are mature enough to cope with relationship issues is similarly dangerous and irresponsible.

It is also my firm belief that parents are (usually) best able to know their children's character, and are in the best position to judge when sex education is appropriate for them.

I do not think it is the job of some Whitehall Mandarin to decide when an individual child is ready to receive sex education, nor should that right to decide be denied to loving and caring parents.

Kind Regards,
Stephen.

When the UK implements teaching policies based on already existing peer reviewed scientific research, rather than religion, party political, or Daily Mail driven ideology we will all be better off Parents do not know what is best for their children all of the time.
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Reply #38 - September 10, 2014, 07:07 AM

I am left wondering if Rob is proposing Soviet style control over education, removing the rights of parents to decide what is best for their children.

Most parents have their children's best interests at heart, and must be allowed to make decisions based on the developmental stage their own child has reached. The "one size fits all" approach is not in the best interests of any child.

It is demonstrably true that certain elements of our society are incapable of making such decisions, and that there is a case for intervention in such circumstances, but, on the whole, assessment of an individual child's maturity should be a matter for parents.

By the way, none of the decisions I made when bringing up my children were based on, or influenced by, either religion or the Daily Mail.

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Reply #39 - September 11, 2014, 10:51 PM

The police are, tbh, will nick the people who try to report abuse, especially if you just happen to be EDL,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbFOgjaCfGk

There was definite proof of grooming, when this abuser received a text from a 14 year old he replied, I love you, meet me after school but don't tell your mum, the result, 4 EDL guys were nicked.

I remember this case, one of the four, Rory, gave a speech at the Slough demo explaining about the kebab van, and how the police wouldn't listen.

FOUR English Defence League (EDL) members have been convicted of a religiously aggravated offence following a Thatcham town centre protest.

The prosecution was brought after up to 20 people, some draped in St George Cross flags and one wearing a rubber pig mask, descended on The Broadway on the night on Friday, February 28.

Their target was Hosans kebab van.

Chants of “muslim groomers off our streets – go back to your own country,” and “no surrender to the Taliban” filled the room at Reading Magistrates’ Court on Tuesday as footage from police officers’ body cameras was screened.

Read more:
http://www.newburytoday.co.uk/2014/four-in-court-for-edl-protest

One of the four who is in the EDL Bournmouth said -
'I'm 38 years old and now have a criminal record for a peaceful protest sticking up for our children after the police had ignored evidence and witness statements from young girls who were being groomed by a Muslim in Thatcham. having a criminal record will make getting a job very difficult as everything I am trained and experienced to do requires a license.......

It seems the police only want to protect Muslim child groomers and harass and arrest EDL supporters for sticking up for our own children in our own towns and cities.

It looks like the police in Thatcham have learned nothing from the Rotherham scandal. If they are arresting us for peaceful protest what do we have left? This is not going to end well for this country.......

The district judge Davinder Lachhar and the CPS Supervisor Mr Malik & prosecutor on the day Miss Edwards seemed very bias. For example saying there was no connection between the words Muslim and groomer as anyone can be a child groomer thus our chant Muslim groomer off our streets was a racist one!!! I said to the judge he is a Muslim and there is overwhelming objective evidence to confirm there is a cultural and religious motivation behind these horrific crimes so what am I supposed to call him? She looked down her snotty nose at me and barked "don't ask questions Mr Hazel we ask the questions here"........

The idea that I now have to pay compensation to a Muslim child groomer makes me sick to my stomach.......

They think that these kind of malicious charges / prosecutions will harass us into not doing future protests. Just so you know This has made me so angry I will now double my efforts and you will all be hearing from myself and the Bournemouth division a whole lot more.'

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Reply #40 - September 11, 2014, 11:01 PM

EDL add fuel to the fire.

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Reply #41 - September 11, 2014, 11:07 PM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 11, 2014, 10:51 PM
the Bournemouth division

"We'll put our feet where we want."

Seriously, Arthur, it was provocative and counter-productive to say "Muslim groomer". "Groomer" would have been quite enough, and might not have elicited the rejection reaction you cited. Play smarter, especially if you are of good faith.
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Reply #42 - September 11, 2014, 11:20 PM

You do have a point, I agree, but when you are angry people react, how would you react if it was your relative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1tlTiHwI24#t=142

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fXcg2voUnY

Is it truly that bad a thing that this man is is exposed as a child abuser, which is the worst crime abusing kids or a few politically incorrect chants?

What is wrong with our country that the victims are ignored like this, there were 4 young girls who told police that they had been given drink, drugs and free food, yet 4 EDL were nicked and some had lost their jobs.

Come on guys this is wrong.

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Reply #43 - September 11, 2014, 11:30 PM

arthur, stick to the EDL facebook pages. Don't post anymore EDL videos here. Thanks.

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Reply #44 - September 11, 2014, 11:41 PM

OK Billy, the death of free speech.

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Reply #45 - September 11, 2014, 11:43 PM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 11, 2014, 11:20 PM
You do have a point, I agree,

Is it truly that bad a thing that this man is is exposed as a child abuser

Well listen to it, then.

You are more likely to expose a child abuser if you don't, quite unnecessarily, play the Muslim card.

Others are making the links between Islam and child abuse better than the EDL ever can. Granted, they left it a bit late.
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Reply #46 - September 11, 2014, 11:45 PM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 11, 2014, 11:20 PM
Is it truly that bad a thing that this man is is exposed as a child abuser, which is the worst crime abusing kids or a few politically incorrect chants?

What is wrong with our country that the victims are ignored like this, there were 4 young girls who told police that they had been given drink, drugs and free food, yet 4 EDL were nicked and some had lost their jobs.

Come on guys this is wrong.

Arthur.

Arthur, the fact that I realise the EDL are adding fuel to the fire isn't me being PC and coddling the cute little muslims or not wanting to address what's happening. I say the EDL add fuel to the fire for the simple fact that the EDL actually do add fuel to the fire.

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Reply #47 - September 11, 2014, 11:54 PM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 11, 2014, 11:41 PM
OK Billy, the death of free speech.

Kind regards, Arthur.

Freedom of speech isn't dead when someone decides they don't feel what you say is appropriate in a certain place, it's when you're silenced completely. No one is saying don't share EDL vids anywhere at any time no matter what, simply requesting you refrain from posting that material here. Don't fall on your sword quite just yet.

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Reply #48 - September 12, 2014, 12:29 AM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 11, 2014, 11:41 PM
OK Billy, the death of free speech.

Kind regards, Arthur.

this is not a forum that you can propagandise for the EDL on, its really simple. Don't be a snide.

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Reply #49 - September 12, 2014, 12:41 AM

Actully I'm a bit sad that I can't say what is going on, people are unjustly be nicked for what I don't see as a crime, how can a father trying to rescue his daughter from these abusers be in the wrong, if it was your daughter, how would you feel.

I won't post anymore vid from EDL, but I am disappointed that you on here would take away my free speech, I don't insult people, I'm not nasty to people and I post what I feel is the truth.

OK maybe I get carried away some times, but what I post is how I think and feel, do you know that I've been banned from 6 forums this week alone, why because on the internet free speech is no longer allowed.

At the start of the internet, we were led to believe that it would lead to complete freedom and slowly but surely that has turned out to be a lie.

Even on the EDL forum, as a mod I am forced to deny free speech, I find this very worrying.

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Reply #50 - September 12, 2014, 12:43 AM

Nobody is taking away your free speech.

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Reply #51 - September 12, 2014, 12:46 AM

Quote from: billy on September 12, 2014, 12:29 AM
this is not a forum that you can propagandise for the EDL on, its really simple. Don't be a snide.

Oh my how am I being snide, I'm just saying what I think and feel, It's your forum and I will abide by your rules, but I think you're being a bit unfair, I'll shut up now.

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Reply #52 - September 12, 2014, 12:48 AM

Quote from: arthur2 on September 12, 2014, 12:41 AM
Actully I'm a bit sad that I can't say what is going on, people are unjustly be nicked for what I don't see as a crime, how can a father trying to rescue his daughter from these abusers be in the wrong, if it was your daughter, how would you feel.

I won't post anymore vid from EDL, but I am disappointed that you on here would take away my free speech, I don't insult people, I'm not nasty to people and I post what I feel is the truth.

OK maybe I get carried away some times, but what I post is how I think and feel, do you know that I've been banned from 6 forums this week alone, why because on the internet free speech is no longer allowed.

At the start of the internet, we were led to believe that it would lead to complete freedom and slowly but surely that has turned out to be a lie.

Even on the EDL forum, as a mod I am forced to deny free speech, I find this very worrying.

Arthur.

Stop whining arthur. You've been on this forum for years propagandising for the EDL and playing the victim. You've been allowed to post despite this because you've had a modicum of politeness and people have tried to reason with you to make you see why the EDL approach is wrong. But you haven't learnt a damn thing in all your time here despite this. And don't even go down that road of saying that we of all people are denying what is happening in towns like Rotherham. We simply don't have to put up with that kind of shitty accusation just because we repudiate your EDL narrative.

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Reply #53 - September 12, 2014, 01:13 AM

You guys have always known that I am a spokes person for the EDL, I am authorised to speak on behalf of the EDL and I have never once tried to hide that fact.
I don't produce propaganda in the sense Billy would say, I just put our view, that maybe right or wrong, and tonight I tried to put across the idea that the police were nicking people who were the victims, i.e., 2 fathers who had tried to rescue their children had been arrested and charged and that an EDL guy had faced the same situation, now, you should be worried by this.

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Reply #54 - September 12, 2014, 01:16 AM

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I tried to put across the idea that the police were nicking people who were the victims, i.e., 2 fathers who had tried to rescue their children had been arrested and charged

Which is horrific and shameful and that no one here would argue otherwise.

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Reply #55 - September 17, 2014, 06:43 PM

What is wrong with our country that these vile abusers can get away with these sort of disgusting crimes and that our institutions are so afraid that they allow these crimes to go unpunished rather than speak out.

Also can I ask why was Stephan banned?

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Reply #56 - September 17, 2014, 07:55 PM

You'll get no argument from me that something is deeply wrong when things like this are allowed to happen. Have you read the in depth report on it?

Also Stephen isn't banned to be best of my knowledge.

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Reply #57 - September 20, 2014, 10:59 PM

Professor Alexis Jay's report in full: Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham

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Reply #58 - November 08, 2014, 01:30 AM

I must say as a Septic, this is quite shocking. If a group of people thought to be "Muslim" were doing this over here in the States, there would be blood on the streets (and knowing how stupid Yanks tend to be, mostly innocent and maybe not even Muslim blood). Not that it's a good thing, most people in this country wouldn't know a Muslim she/he bit them on the ass and they have an irrational fear and hatred of brown people and anything even perceived to be "Muslimy" (see the ridiculous backlash to a Hindu, and a really, really hot one at that, being crowned Miss America). But this type of thing would NEVER fly over here, especially in small town.

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Reply #59 - November 08, 2014, 02:07 AM

What part of the states are you living in again, Julian? Over where I am or have been, we bark a lot but rarely bite.
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